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Coefficient impact to heals.
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Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭I very much agree with @McTaterskins and @VarisVaris here about the current spread of balance, however I think @BalticBlues is absolutely correct that Damage Shields could use some attention for Magicka. Per my crude memory it was this resistance-scaling change for Shields that switched PvP from a general Mag meta to a general Stam meta, although this was right around the time that 2h received a number of buffs, and also right around the time that the oppressive PetSorc meta in BGs met its well-deserved end. On that subject if I could have any one general buff to Stam - increase both the damage and the cast time for D Swing. The Murkmire or thereabouts change worked well to elevate this skill then, but it's again fallen a bit behind Whirling Blades.
Perhaps we can relate @BalticBlues and @Alchimiste1 's comments here: would even a MagSorc wear 5 Light to slot Annulment when they can roll-spam in 3 to 4 Well-Fitted Heavy? I'm not sure.
Anyhow in my opinion, among the 6 Stam classes, balance is pretty good, with Wardens a bit out in front in general, if only because Sub Assault combines with Whirling Blades better than any other class skill. I expect Necro will get the most benefit from this forthcoming hybridization on the Stam side, but it still won't be as strong as a pure MagCro though, nothing ever has been since it came out, and it's only become stronger since it finally got its "Offensive Stun" in Dark Convergence.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast1 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VarisVaris wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »
On Live, about 90% of people play Stam in PvP - certainly not because Mag is meta...Alchimiste1 wrote: »Mag IS meta rn. I don't think thats deniable
Apart from MagSorcs and MagBombers, Stam already rules PvP for 3 years now.
Mag lost nearly everything what made it dominant 5 years ago:
Shields got WORTHLESS FOR LIGHT ARMOR in PvP when it received the resistance of Light Armor. If you are not a MagSorc to streak away, any StamPlayer will rip your shields apart and kill you at once if you are playing LightArmor.
LightArmor got WORTHLESS in Cyro when shields got worthless for Light Armor, because any siege weapon will kill you now at once.
Pets (except the healing Matriarch) got WORTHLESS in PvP when their damage was nerfed so much that you cannot kill any player anymore if you are using them.
Proc sets have been made ALMOST WORTHLESS for Mag, because these scale now with damage - but only Stam has enough damage to make them useful. Today only Stam can use Mag sets properly - what an irony.
The Coefficient impact to heals now are THE FINAL NAIL FOR ANY PvP BALANCE.
STAM now gets the BIGGEST DAMAGE and the BIGGEST HEALS.
There is NO RISK VS REWARD anymore. Playing Stam ONLY HAS REWARDS.
Update 33 will finally turn STAM INTO UNKILLABLE GOD MODE in PvP.
To kill a Stam player, you will need to be Stam player - to have enough damage.
If you are playing PvP competitively, you would be nuts not to play Stam.
There is no stamspec that can even attempt to compete against magplar, magdk or magnecro, none of the things you wrote mean anything right now as neither of those specs run shields or are reliant on light armor.
Then you flat out lie when saying stam has superior healing, guess that's why every group is spamming radiating regen because the stam heals are so op.
Even damage wise magicka is superior or are you telling me there's something that can outdamage a magdk?
Magicka is meta in every single PvP bracket there is, from dueling to zerging there is no reason not to play magplar, magdk or magnecro.
Why are you comparing groups. That makes not much sense. Everything stacked in a group is strong, even the weakest spec. Compare builds and classes in a limited setting and you can easily see that Stambuilds will absolutely dominate with U33 because they don't just have the best defense in avoiding most damage, now they have the best and most healing options on top of that.
Zerging is and never was a good measure for how builds and classes perform. Zergs win by number as that's the core of their existence.Edited by Seraphayel on March 10, 2022 8:47AMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
VarisVaris✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »VarisVaris wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »
On Live, about 90% of people play Stam in PvP - certainly not because Mag is meta...Alchimiste1 wrote: »Mag IS meta rn. I don't think thats deniable
Apart from MagSorcs and MagBombers, Stam already rules PvP for 3 years now.
Mag lost nearly everything what made it dominant 5 years ago:
Shields got WORTHLESS FOR LIGHT ARMOR in PvP when it received the resistance of Light Armor. If you are not a MagSorc to streak away, any StamPlayer will rip your shields apart and kill you at once if you are playing LightArmor.
LightArmor got WORTHLESS in Cyro when shields got worthless for Light Armor, because any siege weapon will kill you now at once.
Pets (except the healing Matriarch) got WORTHLESS in PvP when their damage was nerfed so much that you cannot kill any player anymore if you are using them.
Proc sets have been made ALMOST WORTHLESS for Mag, because these scale now with damage - but only Stam has enough damage to make them useful. Today only Stam can use Mag sets properly - what an irony.
The Coefficient impact to heals now are THE FINAL NAIL FOR ANY PvP BALANCE.
STAM now gets the BIGGEST DAMAGE and the BIGGEST HEALS.
There is NO RISK VS REWARD anymore. Playing Stam ONLY HAS REWARDS.
Update 33 will finally turn STAM INTO UNKILLABLE GOD MODE in PvP.
To kill a Stam player, you will need to be Stam player - to have enough damage.
If you are playing PvP competitively, you would be nuts not to play Stam.
There is no stamspec that can even attempt to compete against magplar, magdk or magnecro, none of the things you wrote mean anything right now as neither of those specs run shields or are reliant on light armor.
Then you flat out lie when saying stam has superior healing, guess that's why every group is spamming radiating regen because the stam heals are so op.
Even damage wise magicka is superior or are you telling me there's something that can outdamage a magdk?
Magicka is meta in every single PvP bracket there is, from dueling to zerging there is no reason not to play magplar, magdk or magnecro.
Why are you comparing groups. That makes not much sense. Everything stacked in a group is strong, even the weakest spec. Compare builds and classes in a limited setting and you can easily see that Stambuilds will absolutely dominate with U33 because they don't just have the best defense in avoiding most damage, now they have the best and most healing options on top of that.
Zerging is and never was a good measure for how builds and classes perform. Zergs win by number as that's the core of their existence.
No, you are just flat out wrong, a group of 4 stamspecs gets dominated by a group of 4 magapecs and I mean it.
The only stamina spec one is allowed to bring into good smallscale groups is a Stamsorc with bow and resto staff everything else is worse than their magicka counterpart or outclassed by another magicka spec.
If you want to talk about duels I actually gotta ask the question, when was the last time you were dueling because there are 3 specs people will bring to a Duel and that is magdk, magplar and magnecro and nothing else.
With U33 every single component player will run resto backbar to be able to spam radiating regen and the buffs for magplar and magdk as well as the indirect buffs to magnecro by giving it access to an execute will further separate them from the rest.
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VarisVaris wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »VarisVaris wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »
On Live, about 90% of people play Stam in PvP - certainly not because Mag is meta...Alchimiste1 wrote: »Mag IS meta rn. I don't think thats deniable
Apart from MagSorcs and MagBombers, Stam already rules PvP for 3 years now.
Mag lost nearly everything what made it dominant 5 years ago:
Shields got WORTHLESS FOR LIGHT ARMOR in PvP when it received the resistance of Light Armor. If you are not a MagSorc to streak away, any StamPlayer will rip your shields apart and kill you at once if you are playing LightArmor.
LightArmor got WORTHLESS in Cyro when shields got worthless for Light Armor, because any siege weapon will kill you now at once.
Pets (except the healing Matriarch) got WORTHLESS in PvP when their damage was nerfed so much that you cannot kill any player anymore if you are using them.
Proc sets have been made ALMOST WORTHLESS for Mag, because these scale now with damage - but only Stam has enough damage to make them useful. Today only Stam can use Mag sets properly - what an irony.
The Coefficient impact to heals now are THE FINAL NAIL FOR ANY PvP BALANCE.
STAM now gets the BIGGEST DAMAGE and the BIGGEST HEALS.
There is NO RISK VS REWARD anymore. Playing Stam ONLY HAS REWARDS.
Update 33 will finally turn STAM INTO UNKILLABLE GOD MODE in PvP.
To kill a Stam player, you will need to be Stam player - to have enough damage.
If you are playing PvP competitively, you would be nuts not to play Stam.
There is no stamspec that can even attempt to compete against magplar, magdk or magnecro, none of the things you wrote mean anything right now as neither of those specs run shields or are reliant on light armor.
Then you flat out lie when saying stam has superior healing, guess that's why every group is spamming radiating regen because the stam heals are so op.
Even damage wise magicka is superior or are you telling me there's something that can outdamage a magdk?
Magicka is meta in every single PvP bracket there is, from dueling to zerging there is no reason not to play magplar, magdk or magnecro.
Why are you comparing groups. That makes not much sense. Everything stacked in a group is strong, even the weakest spec. Compare builds and classes in a limited setting and you can easily see that Stambuilds will absolutely dominate with U33 because they don't just have the best defense in avoiding most damage, now they have the best and most healing options on top of that.
Zerging is and never was a good measure for how builds and classes perform. Zergs win by number as that's the core of their existence.
No, you are just flat out wrong, a group of 4 stamspecs gets dominated by a group of 4 magapecs and I mean it.
The only stamina spec one is allowed to bring into good smallscale groups is a Stamsorc with bow and resto staff everything else is worse than their magicka counterpart or outclassed by another magicka spec.
If you want to talk about duels I actually gotta ask the question, when was the last time you were dueling because there are 3 specs people will bring to a Duel and that is magdk, magplar and magnecro and nothing else.
With U33 every single component player will run resto backbar to be able to spam radiating regen and the buffs for magplar and magdk as well as the indirect buffs to magnecro by giving it access to an execute will further separate them from the rest.
Uhm... you realize that Stamina can run a Resto Staff as well? And not only that, but their heals will be stronger than their Mag-counterparts due to how stacking attributes for Stamina players is way easier. You completely ignore how dominant Stamina specs are. Just go to YouTube and check all the competent and reliable content creators that play PvP in ESO for years now. All of them are saying how bad these changes are and how impactful it will be for Stamina players - way more than for Magicka. Stam builds benefit by these changes a lot more than Magicka does.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
VarisVaris✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »VarisVaris wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »VarisVaris wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »
On Live, about 90% of people play Stam in PvP - certainly not because Mag is meta...Alchimiste1 wrote: »Mag IS meta rn. I don't think thats deniable
Apart from MagSorcs and MagBombers, Stam already rules PvP for 3 years now.
Mag lost nearly everything what made it dominant 5 years ago:
Shields got WORTHLESS FOR LIGHT ARMOR in PvP when it received the resistance of Light Armor. If you are not a MagSorc to streak away, any StamPlayer will rip your shields apart and kill you at once if you are playing LightArmor.
LightArmor got WORTHLESS in Cyro when shields got worthless for Light Armor, because any siege weapon will kill you now at once.
Pets (except the healing Matriarch) got WORTHLESS in PvP when their damage was nerfed so much that you cannot kill any player anymore if you are using them.
Proc sets have been made ALMOST WORTHLESS for Mag, because these scale now with damage - but only Stam has enough damage to make them useful. Today only Stam can use Mag sets properly - what an irony.
The Coefficient impact to heals now are THE FINAL NAIL FOR ANY PvP BALANCE.
STAM now gets the BIGGEST DAMAGE and the BIGGEST HEALS.
There is NO RISK VS REWARD anymore. Playing Stam ONLY HAS REWARDS.
Update 33 will finally turn STAM INTO UNKILLABLE GOD MODE in PvP.
To kill a Stam player, you will need to be Stam player - to have enough damage.
If you are playing PvP competitively, you would be nuts not to play Stam.
There is no stamspec that can even attempt to compete against magplar, magdk or magnecro, none of the things you wrote mean anything right now as neither of those specs run shields or are reliant on light armor.
Then you flat out lie when saying stam has superior healing, guess that's why every group is spamming radiating regen because the stam heals are so op.
Even damage wise magicka is superior or are you telling me there's something that can outdamage a magdk?
Magicka is meta in every single PvP bracket there is, from dueling to zerging there is no reason not to play magplar, magdk or magnecro.
Why are you comparing groups. That makes not much sense. Everything stacked in a group is strong, even the weakest spec. Compare builds and classes in a limited setting and you can easily see that Stambuilds will absolutely dominate with U33 because they don't just have the best defense in avoiding most damage, now they have the best and most healing options on top of that.
Zerging is and never was a good measure for how builds and classes perform. Zergs win by number as that's the core of their existence.
No, you are just flat out wrong, a group of 4 stamspecs gets dominated by a group of 4 magapecs and I mean it.
The only stamina spec one is allowed to bring into good smallscale groups is a Stamsorc with bow and resto staff everything else is worse than their magicka counterpart or outclassed by another magicka spec.
If you want to talk about duels I actually gotta ask the question, when was the last time you were dueling because there are 3 specs people will bring to a Duel and that is magdk, magplar and magnecro and nothing else.
With U33 every single component player will run resto backbar to be able to spam radiating regen and the buffs for magplar and magdk as well as the indirect buffs to magnecro by giving it access to an execute will further separate them from the rest.
Uhm... you realize that Stamina can run a Resto Staff as well? And not only that, but their heals will be stronger than their Mag-counterparts due to how stacking attributes for Stamina players is way easier. You completely ignore how dominant Stamina specs are. Just go to YouTube and check all the competent and reliable content creators that play PvP in ESO for years now. All of them are saying how bad these changes are and how impactful it will be for Stamina players - way more than for Magicka. Stam builds benefit by these changes a lot more than Magicka does.
Please tell me who those "competent" youtubers are.
Also feel free to hit me up for a Duel on pts, you can bring whatever stamspec you want we can also do a 4v4 on there if you want to prove how op stam is.0 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seraphayel wrote: »Uhm... you realize that Stamina can run a Resto Staff as well? And not only that, but their heals will be stronger than their Mag-counterparts due to how stacking attributes for Stamina players is way easier.
If Stam can use Resto then what's prohibiting Mag from using whatever it is that makes stacking stats easier for Stam? What exactly are you talking about anyhow, particular item sets or weapon/armor passives?Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
Alchimiste1✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »VarisVaris wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »VarisVaris wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »
On Live, about 90% of people play Stam in PvP - certainly not because Mag is meta...Alchimiste1 wrote: »Mag IS meta rn. I don't think thats deniable
Apart from MagSorcs and MagBombers, Stam already rules PvP for 3 years now.
Mag lost nearly everything what made it dominant 5 years ago:
Shields got WORTHLESS FOR LIGHT ARMOR in PvP when it received the resistance of Light Armor. If you are not a MagSorc to streak away, any StamPlayer will rip your shields apart and kill you at once if you are playing LightArmor.
LightArmor got WORTHLESS in Cyro when shields got worthless for Light Armor, because any siege weapon will kill you now at once.
Pets (except the healing Matriarch) got WORTHLESS in PvP when their damage was nerfed so much that you cannot kill any player anymore if you are using them.
Proc sets have been made ALMOST WORTHLESS for Mag, because these scale now with damage - but only Stam has enough damage to make them useful. Today only Stam can use Mag sets properly - what an irony.
The Coefficient impact to heals now are THE FINAL NAIL FOR ANY PvP BALANCE.
STAM now gets the BIGGEST DAMAGE and the BIGGEST HEALS.
There is NO RISK VS REWARD anymore. Playing Stam ONLY HAS REWARDS.
Update 33 will finally turn STAM INTO UNKILLABLE GOD MODE in PvP.
To kill a Stam player, you will need to be Stam player - to have enough damage.
If you are playing PvP competitively, you would be nuts not to play Stam.
There is no stamspec that can even attempt to compete against magplar, magdk or magnecro, none of the things you wrote mean anything right now as neither of those specs run shields or are reliant on light armor.
Then you flat out lie when saying stam has superior healing, guess that's why every group is spamming radiating regen because the stam heals are so op.
Even damage wise magicka is superior or are you telling me there's something that can outdamage a magdk?
Magicka is meta in every single PvP bracket there is, from dueling to zerging there is no reason not to play magplar, magdk or magnecro.
Why are you comparing groups. That makes not much sense. Everything stacked in a group is strong, even the weakest spec. Compare builds and classes in a limited setting and you can easily see that Stambuilds will absolutely dominate with U33 because they don't just have the best defense in avoiding most damage, now they have the best and most healing options on top of that.
Zerging is and never was a good measure for how builds and classes perform. Zergs win by number as that's the core of their existence.
No, you are just flat out wrong, a group of 4 stamspecs gets dominated by a group of 4 magapecs and I mean it.
The only stamina spec one is allowed to bring into good smallscale groups is a Stamsorc with bow and resto staff everything else is worse than their magicka counterpart or outclassed by another magicka spec.
If you want to talk about duels I actually gotta ask the question, when was the last time you were dueling because there are 3 specs people will bring to a Duel and that is magdk, magplar and magnecro and nothing else.
With U33 every single component player will run resto backbar to be able to spam radiating regen and the buffs for magplar and magdk as well as the indirect buffs to magnecro by giving it access to an execute will further separate them from the rest.
Uhm... you realize that Stamina can run a Resto Staff as well? And not only that, but their heals will be stronger than their Mag-counterparts due to how stacking attributes for Stamina players is way easier. You completely ignore how dominant Stamina specs are. Just go to YouTube and check all the competent and reliable content creators that play PvP in ESO for years now. All of them are saying how bad these changes are and how impactful it will be for Stamina players - way more than for Magicka. Stam builds benefit by these changes a lot more than Magicka does.
" but their heals will be stronger than their Mag-counterparts due to how stacking attributes for Stamina players is way easier. "
what are you talking about ? what attributes ? neither mag nor stam builds stack max mag or max stam, and like I said before mag classes were buffed when they could efficiently use med armor for more spell damage. There is no difference now in attribute scaling. The only difference are the actual skills , of which mag has the better selection.
" You completely ignore how dominant Stamina specs are. "
I would like to know what this op stam spec is.
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