Would you prefer account wide achievements?

Mushroomancer

Yes, and while we're at it, make motifs account wide too.

Kinda wish there was a more mixed option. To be honest, I don't mind achievements being tied to specific characters, although there are the obvious outliers to this, like the monster trophy ones that genuinely make a compelling argument on their own for account-wide achievements.
What I don't like is motifs being tied to characters. All it does is making you switch to the one Master Crafter character to complete your master writs, it serves no other purpose that I can think of.
Also, I see people mentioning that they want titles to remain character-bound even with account-wide achievements. To me, it should be the exact opposite, if anything. Titles are just another layer of cosmetic customization, the fact that they are the only cosmetic option that is character-bound is still ridiculous to me. And to those that don't want a bunch of big meany titles on their righteous characters for roleplay reasons, they are just sitting in a menu, they practically don't exist as long as you don't equip them, or is that enough to ruin your immersion? (Genuine question, not trying to bait).

ajkb78 wrote: »

... and I want the remaining challenge of earning say Voice of Reason on other toons beyond the one I first cleared on. Equally I want to have to earn achievements separately on tank toons to DPS toons etc. The system is fine as it is.

Also, I'm sorry, I would really like to agree, but once you do a long progress for stuff like Gryphon Heart, or any other trifecta achievement, you ain't touching that trial with a ten-foot pole for a while, let alone with a completely different role or character. This reasoning is fine for just HM/completion achievements for trials, but the fact that you think it's ok to have to do a grueling achievement multiple times on different characters just to have a title (which is already a pretty underwhelming reward) on the character that you want is just cruel.

Parasaurolophus

Yes, I'd prefer account wide achievements.

Common, this may come to a compromise. Why not? I suggest make all the achievements are account wide and the total score. However, there should be a notification of which characters and at what time received this achievement. Yes, it would be strange to have titles for the entire account.

colossalvoids

Yes, I'd prefer account wide achievements.

Mushroomancer wrote: »

ajkb78 wrote: »

... and I want the remaining challenge of earning say Voice of Reason on other toons beyond the one I first cleared on. Equally I want to have to earn achievements separately on tank toons to DPS toons etc. The system is fine as it is.

but once you do a long progress for stuff like Gryphon Heart, or any other trifecta achievement, you ain't touching that trial with a ten-foot pole for a while, let alone with a completely different role or character

Well that's depends on a person really and how was your personal group experience. We had 2 trifecta runs in a row couple of times for specific reasons, it's not bad at all if the group have enough chemistry going to not disband after the initial clear hehe. If you're looking at those achievements as pain and suffering then yeah, definitely how it's going after the goal is matched, no disagreement.

(Edit to snip a bit I forgot to edit out)

Mushroomancer

Yes, and while we're at it, make motifs account wide too.

colossalvoids wrote: »

Mushroomancer wrote: »

ajkb78 wrote: »

... and I want the remaining challenge of earning say Voice of Reason on other toons beyond the one I first cleared on. Equally I want to have to earn achievements separately on tank toons to DPS toons etc. The system is fine as it is.

but once you do a long progress for stuff like Gryphon Heart, or any other trifecta achievement, you ain't touching that trial with a ten-foot pole for a while, let alone with a completely different role or character

Well that's depends on a person really and how was your personal group experience. We had 2 trifecta runs in a row couple of times for specific reasons, it's not bad at all if the group have enough chemistry going to not disband after the initial clear hehe. If you're looking at those achievements as pain and suffering then yeah, definitely how it's going after the goal is matched, no disagreement.

(Edit to snip a bit I forgot to edit out)

Oh, of course that's a factor. However, the group I progress in has been going strong since we started it, only taking breaks for holidays and the like, but multiple months stuck in a trial will make you hate it no matter what in my opinion, bonus points if it has some really frustrating mechanics or is completely broken from a technical standpoint.

colossalvoids

Yes, I'd prefer account wide achievements.

Mushroomancer wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Mushroomancer wrote: »

ajkb78 wrote: »

... and I want the remaining challenge of earning say Voice of Reason on other toons beyond the one I first cleared on. Equally I want to have to earn achievements separately on tank toons to DPS toons etc. The system is fine as it is.

but once you do a long progress for stuff like Gryphon Heart, or any other trifecta achievement, you ain't touching that trial with a ten-foot pole for a while, let alone with a completely different role or character

Well that's depends on a person really and how was your personal group experience. We had 2 trifecta runs in a row couple of times for specific reasons, it's not bad at all if the group have enough chemistry going to not disband after the initial clear hehe. If you're looking at those achievements as pain and suffering then yeah, definitely how it's going after the goal is matched, no disagreement.

(Edit to snip a bit I forgot to edit out)

Oh, of course that's a factor. However, the group I progress in has been going strong since we started it, only taking breaks for holidays and the like, but multiple months stuck in a trial will make you hate it no matter what in my opinion, bonus points if it has some really frustrating mechanics or is completely broken from a technical standpoint.

Yeah, guess time is most important factor here especially if that's GH from your example which is probably the most frustrating one to progress imo. I'm not good at it myself so dislike for it is kinda biased.

AntonShan

Yes, I'd prefer account wide achievements.

I would prefer to have account0wide achievements because in this case
- I could do any content with any of my characters and not be worried about doing some stuff not on my main (this is every achievement hunter's issue I guess)
- I could do grindy achievements like "Complete 30 dailies" on some of my characters per day and get an achievement quicker.

Achevements may need to have an indication about on which character they were gained though.

Xebov

Yes, I'd prefer account wide achievements.

kargen27 wrote: »

"Every time a character does something that advances an achievment it should be counted for both the character and the account."

This is the part I disagree with. An achievement should only advance on the character that you are presently playing. When your character completes the achievement you should be able to see that as part of the account wide view.

You have to keep in mind here that we also have achievments like doing 250 dolmen or killing 16 specific dolmen bosses. There are also the monster part collections. These are all long running achievment where it makes sense that whatever you do counts to both character and account. Otherwise you would end up in the same situation like currently where you have to do all the 250 dolmen on one character isntead of being able to spread them out.

ajkb78 wrote: »

Absolutely not. I want to earn achievements separately on different characters exactly because ]they're different characters. I don't want my heroic characters automatically having DB achievements just because my assassin character got them, and I want the remaining challenge of earning say Voice of Reason on other toons beyond the one I first cleared on. Equally I want to have to earn achievements separately on tank toons to DPS toons etc. The system is fine as it is.

This is why there is the idea to simply have both, which is sadly not an option in the poll. If we had both systems at once everyone would be free to use it however they like.

tomfant wrote: »

I'm not sure how to handle trial and dungeon achievements, though. For more difficult stuff, you are often being asked to show the according achievement as proof that you know the mechs. For instance, if you got a trifecta on one char, chances are high you can do it again on another char. Hence, these kind of achievements are probably better if account-wide.

Given that achievments dont point to a specific character but instead are just a link to the general achievment together with a time stamp you can already copy them around or forge them as you like. So having them as some sort of proof is not reliable.

Vaoh

Yes, I'd prefer account wide achievements.

Please yes just do this already.

Raid roles/compositions, PvP metas, Questing with thematically correct classes (Warden in Vvardenfell, Necro in Elsweyr), getting bored of playing the same char for 8 years..... there are so many reasons to change the character you play from time to time. It makes the game a lot more fun.

Achievements need to be account-wide.
Titles and Motifs being character vs account-specific is a separate conversation though... most likely these should be left character-specific.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Some achievements should be account wide, but the rest should remain as is.

Most achievements should be account wide. But achievement titles for completing questlines, delves, trials, etc should be character bound.

daim

No, I like the current character achievement system.

Its fine as it is.

Only thing that annoys me is that motifs and recipes arent account wide. It forces crafters pretty much choose one char that knows them all, otherwise it would be a nightmare to find which toon can do what. Addons help a bit but its still a mess if you have randomly used your motifs/recipes.

RisenEclipse

Thank you all for your insight I see a lot of people wanted a more mixed poll option for having both at the same time. I didn't add that on there, because honestly I didn't even think of that at the time when I made the poll lol (I don't think it's possible to add another poll opinion after it is up?) It was very insightful reading all of your opinions on the topic!

LightningWitch

No, I like the current character achievement system.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

it isn't the mount that is being trained.

Yes it is, hypothetically.

Just because we can change them out doesn't mean it's not the "mount" we're training.

I'm pretty sure my speed and stamina don't increase because it's character training.

Hlanu

No, I like the current character achievement system.

No, I don't want achievements and titles on characters that didn't earn them.

BXR_Lonestar

Yes, and while we're at it, make motifs account wide too.

This game is just to big to try to complete all of the achievements every character, get every motif on one character, etc. Things should just be account wide. The only exception to that could maybe be titles, although it wouldn't bother me if they chose to make those account wide too. But I do love showing off that my main character, that is a healer, is stormproof.

Giraffon

No, I like the current character achievement system.

Armory station changed my view on this.

SerafinaWaterstar

No, I like the current character achievement system.

Nope.

Not actually sure why people get so het up about it - this is how the game has been for over 6 years so to change now would be silly. It’s not that important.

Drammanoth

Some achievements should be account wide, but the rest should remain as is.

Colours - by all means, them.

I wouldn't like to have PvP achievements on my PvE char and vice versa. But colours? They can be account wide.

ixthUA

Totally dont care about achievements, either variant would be fine for me.

Gaebriel0410

Yes, I'd prefer account wide achievements.

Yes, I think that especially titles should be account-wide. I have a lot of titles on my main character that I'd love to use for other characters, but while I love making characters, my time isn't infinite.

The whole 'but the titles give prestige which should be earned' mindset is a bit outdated imo, a holdout of the old days from the early 2000's when MMO's were infinitely more grindy. Just like things such as the expectation of the bedazzled starry-eyed new player in rags 'looking up' to the super cool popular raider guy in armour (which is also an argument commonly used whenever more accessible cosmetics are discussed), is outdated too.

I like games that respect my time, and ESO for most parts is great in that, with the outfit unlocks and champion system, all which carry over across my account. It feels infinitely more satisfying for me at least, to unlock stuff for the whole 'family' so to say.

PeacefulAnarchy

I want account wide achievements, but not as a replacement for character specific ones, and I don't care about titles. I just want a way to see what things I've done across my account, and ideally some accountwide progress bars for relevant things.

perfiction

Some achievements should be account wide, but the rest should remain as is.

I'm between 'no' and 'some achievements like questing, event etc may be ok'

It's not a big deal on PC because people can use Kyoma's Global Achievements to browse and link achievement from other toons without the need to relog.

If it ends up being implemented I would be really hesitant with dungeon and trial achievements (vet / vet hm / trifecta) being account wide. Someone who got the clear on DD toon can know nothing about tanking/healing specific content. (yeah I know there are plenty of pugs who got carried either for free or for gold and even tho they have an achievement they carpet 90% of the time. Even if flawed, it's the best way we can verify someones experience in specific content). I'm not a PVPer but I guess the same thing applies there.

Oliviander

No, I like the current character achievement system.

I have 4 Grand Master Crafters and the other 14 toons are nearly there
(sitting at, at least 42 motifs)
plz don't steal that fun from me.

So accountwide achievements: NOOO
So accountwide motifs: NOOO
So accountwide titles: NOOO

Other players have 18 Master Anglers
why kill them their fun ???

--> I would accept an additional Category Account Achievements
where all chars a summarized - but not for titles or any other effects.

kinguardian

Some achievements should be account wide, but the rest should remain as is.

Some of them should but mostly I am happy to go for it per character. I just wish the motifs were account wide or at least the achievements for learning a motif.

joerginger

Yes, I'd prefer account wide achievements.

Ever since I made my second character, I have absolutely hated the achievement system. I'm doing the stuff, not the characters! It is a system I had never seen before and I really wonder what strange thought process would tie achievements to a character - even worse, a character that can even be deleted, meaning absolutely everything connected with that character is completely annihilated.
Making special characters for certain roles feels completely pointless because even if you managed to get a special achievement, it would be utterly meaningless since it's on some alt character no. 13 and not on your main character.

HyekAr

Yes, I'd prefer account wide achievements.

Yes, plz

Casul

Yes, and while we're at it, make motifs account wide too.

Account wide everything

Tandor

No, I like the current character achievement system.

Mushroomancer wrote: »

Kinda wish there was a more mixed option. To be honest, I don't mind achievements being tied to specific characters, although there are the obvious outliers to this, like the monster trophy ones that genuinely make a compelling argument on their own for account-wide achievements.
What I don't like is motifs being tied to characters. All it does is making you switch to the one Master Crafter character to complete your master writs, it serves no other purpose that I can think of.
Also, I see people mentioning that they want titles to remain character-bound even with account-wide achievements. To me, it should be the exact opposite, if anything. Titles are just another layer of cosmetic customization, the fact that they are the only cosmetic option that is character-bound is still ridiculous to me. And to those that don't want a bunch of big meany titles on their righteous characters for roleplay reasons, they are just sitting in a menu, they practically don't exist as long as you don't equip them, or is that enough to ruin your immersion? (Genuine question, not trying to bait).

ajkb78 wrote: »

... and I want the remaining challenge of earning say Voice of Reason on other toons beyond the one I first cleared on. Equally I want to have to earn achievements separately on tank toons to DPS toons etc. The system is fine as it is.

Also, I'm sorry, I would really like to agree, but once you do a long progress for stuff like Gryphon Heart, or any other trifecta achievement, you ain't touching that trial with a ten-foot pole for a while, let alone with a completely different role or character. This reasoning is fine for just HM/completion achievements for trials, but the fact that you think it's ok to have to do a grueling achievement multiple times on different characters just to have a title (which is already a pretty underwhelming reward) on the character that you want is just cruel.

If it's such a gruelling achievement for such an underwhelming reward title why would you even need to do it again purely to have that underwhelming title available to your other characters anyway?

Mushroomancer

Yes, and while we're at it, make motifs account wide too.

Tandor wrote: »

Mushroomancer wrote: »

Kinda wish there was a more mixed option. To be honest, I don't mind achievements being tied to specific characters, although there are the obvious outliers to this, like the monster trophy ones that genuinely make a compelling argument on their own for account-wide achievements.
What I don't like is motifs being tied to characters. All it does is making you switch to the one Master Crafter character to complete your master writs, it serves no other purpose that I can think of.
Also, I see people mentioning that they want titles to remain character-bound even with account-wide achievements. To me, it should be the exact opposite, if anything. Titles are just another layer of cosmetic customization, the fact that they are the only cosmetic option that is character-bound is still ridiculous to me. And to those that don't want a bunch of big meany titles on their righteous characters for roleplay reasons, they are just sitting in a menu, they practically don't exist as long as you don't equip them, or is that enough to ruin your immersion? (Genuine question, not trying to bait).

ajkb78 wrote: »

... and I want the remaining challenge of earning say Voice of Reason on other toons beyond the one I first cleared on. Equally I want to have to earn achievements separately on tank toons to DPS toons etc. The system is fine as it is.

Also, I'm sorry, I would really like to agree, but once you do a long progress for stuff like Gryphon Heart, or any other trifecta achievement, you ain't touching that trial with a ten-foot pole for a while, let alone with a completely different role or character. This reasoning is fine for just HM/completion achievements for trials, but the fact that you think it's ok to have to do a grueling achievement multiple times on different characters just to have a title (which is already a pretty underwhelming reward) on the character that you want is just cruel.

If it's such a gruelling achievement for such an underwhelming reward title why would you even need to do it again purely to have that underwhelming title available to your other characters anyway?

Because I enjoy playing with my fellow guildmates, and getting those achievements is the thing that drives progress groups. The fact that the process of the arbitrary reward is incredibly tedious and hard doesn't mean you can't have fun with your mates.

phairdon

Yes, I'd prefer account wide achievements.

Yes. ESO is closing in on 8 years since release. Chances of any change is slim to non existent.

Tandor

No, I like the current character achievement system.

Mushroomancer wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Mushroomancer wrote: »

Kinda wish there was a more mixed option. To be honest, I don't mind achievements being tied to specific characters, although there are the obvious outliers to this, like the monster trophy ones that genuinely make a compelling argument on their own for account-wide achievements.
What I don't like is motifs being tied to characters. All it does is making you switch to the one Master Crafter character to complete your master writs, it serves no other purpose that I can think of.
Also, I see people mentioning that they want titles to remain character-bound even with account-wide achievements. To me, it should be the exact opposite, if anything. Titles are just another layer of cosmetic customization, the fact that they are the only cosmetic option that is character-bound is still ridiculous to me. And to those that don't want a bunch of big meany titles on their righteous characters for roleplay reasons, they are just sitting in a menu, they practically don't exist as long as you don't equip them, or is that enough to ruin your immersion? (Genuine question, not trying to bait).

ajkb78 wrote: »

... and I want the remaining challenge of earning say Voice of Reason on other toons beyond the one I first cleared on. Equally I want to have to earn achievements separately on tank toons to DPS toons etc. The system is fine as it is.

Also, I'm sorry, I would really like to agree, but once you do a long progress for stuff like Gryphon Heart, or any other trifecta achievement, you ain't touching that trial with a ten-foot pole for a while, let alone with a completely different role or character. This reasoning is fine for just HM/completion achievements for trials, but the fact that you think it's ok to have to do a grueling achievement multiple times on different characters just to have a title (which is already a pretty underwhelming reward) on the character that you want is just cruel.

If it's such a gruelling achievement for such an underwhelming reward title why would you even need to do it again purely to have that underwhelming title available to your other characters anyway?

Because I enjoy playing with my fellow guildmates, and getting those achievements is the thing that drives progress groups. The fact that the process of the arbitrary reward is incredibly tedious and hard doesn't mean you can't have fun with your mates.

That's fine, and so is the present system then.