It's Time to Turn Cyrodiil Into a PVE Only Zone

Stamicka

As the title says, I think it's time to shut down the PvP aspect of Cyrodiil. Below are 5 reasons that support this change.

1. The Population Is Constantly Reduced
Cyrodiil is a huge map that was originally made to hold over 1000 players. The current population cap is unknown, but even at 2-3 bars of population there is very little action on the map. The map is too large to support Cyrodiil's low capacity. At most you will see 2 or 3 fights doing on at once. It is not uncommon to go 10+ minutes without seeing another enemy player in areas where you would expect to them. This problem seems to be at it's worst in the current patch.

2. The Performance Is Bad No Matter What
Almost anyone would agree that the game works very poorly in Cyrodiil. We have seen tests for No-CP, AOE cooldowns, and No Procs. In all cases, Cyrodiil always lags. Even today, Gray Host lagged with red at 3 bars, Blue at 1 bar, and yellow at 2 bars. Even below maximum capacity, Cyrodiil has poor performance. Playing a fast paced game with skill delay ruins the most enjoyable aspect of the game.

3. The Player Base Has Changed
The ESO player base has shifted towards a casual crowd that has no interest in PvP. Out of the 3 Veteran Campaigns during prime time, typically only one will be filled, one will have a few bars, and one will be completely empty. This reflects a very small PvP community, especially considering that the population cap is likely the lowest it has ever been. On top of this, many people in Cyrodiil are only interested in transmute crystals. There's also a fairly large portion of Cyrodiil players that prefer to play the map rather than have any contact with enemy players. Only the smallest portion of an already tiny group of players actually goes to Cyrodiil to fight other players. Lastly, the under 50 campaign seems to remain empty which suggests that there's not an influx of newer players that want to get into PvP.

4. There Are Other PvP Options
The removal of Cyrodiil as a PvP zone may bring more players into BGs, or Imperial City. It also gives Zenimax a chance to make something completely new. The emptiness and poor performance of Cyrodiil may turn away potential PvPers. Maybe the PvP community could grow if people had a better first experience in PvP.

5. Cyrodiil is Old
Cyrodiil has been in the game since 2014 yet it has seen very few changes. PvPers could use something new and exciting.

I say all of this as someone who has great memories in Cyrodiil. Unfortunately time has not been kind to this zone and its time for something new.

Jaraal

Looks like you put a lot of thought and effort into your post, but no.

Bucky_13

No. It's still the most fun way of doing PvP, despite the brutal performance issues.

dem0n1k

You make some solid points but still.... there are still a lot of players/guilds that do like the Cyrodiil AvAvA gameplay. Players that still want to level their characters to Grand Overlords & maybe a cheeky bit of being the emperor.

All the campaigns are active at certain times. You really only have to look at the leaderboards to see that there are player (even in campaigns like Icereach) that earn millions of AP per campaign. So... they might be quieter than you want them to be.. but there are still a lot of players playing there.

Wandering_Immigrant

If the population is so low and the player base has changed so much as you say then there's nothing stopping anyone from playing the PvE side of Cyrodiil as if it's a PvE zone in it's current form without taking away the siege warfare that some of us love. Avoid the keeps and you should be perfectly safe.

Kwoung

I earn enough AP to buy every monster set that has crossed The Golden for, well years now, and I don't plan on stopping unless ZOS stops adding the newer sets and there is nothing left to buy. Also, all issues aside, my friends and I still have fun there a couple days a week. It used to be daily, but you can only take so much lag, which I would much rather see addressed than Cyro being decommissioned.

Stamicka

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

If the population is so low and the player base has changed so much as you say then there's nothing stopping anyone from playing the PvE side of Cyrodiil as if it's a PvE zone in it's current form without taking away the siege warfare that some of us love. Avoid the keeps and you should be perfectly safe.

I don’t care to play Cyrodiil as a PVE zone. What I want is PvP. Instead I ride my horse around an empty map only to watch enemy players ride away from me after spending 15 minutes trying to find them. The point is that Cyrodiil really isn’t a good place for PvP anymore. It’s time for something smaller with a different design or a growth in Imperial City population. This doesn’t mean they have to get rid of keep sieges, but a new zone or smaller map would reduce lag and make it easier to find other players.

Indigogo

All I know is I will fight the war in cyrodiil till the servers are shut off.
If that means I spend my day mudballing filthy yellows as they try and steal fish from my waters, so be it.

TheImperfect

Eso would not be the same without Cyrodil as it is.

Aardappelboom

Cyrodill is fun, leave it in and this comes from a PVE player. If anything, enrich it with new stuff, it has a lot of potential to be an extremely fun PVP mode.

I wouldn't mind the map being a bit smaller to get some more action but it's a thin line because you want it take some time to return to the fight when you die.

Raideen

Agreed OP. The zone would have been much more used and enjoyable had it been pve content. RVRVR has never really worked well, I am not sure why game companies keep trying to make it a thing. It worked in DAOC and thats it.

BloodyStigmata

I hate Cyrodiil as it is, but even I say it shouldn't be removed the way it is now. Despite its issues, it's still fun for the dedicated PVP playerbase. Besides, they have like barely any content already. Why take away the OG PVP this game had?

A no PVP campaign is the best we could hope for and they've never even entertained that thought all these years.

Ariont

I can see it from both sides. Making it a PVE zone or fixing it so that it is enjoyable again. I would like to throw this in the ring though, the 3 Banners War didn't last forever. At some point it has to end and if that is the case, then PVPers deserve to have something to replace the zone with. I, however, do not have any ideas as to what would be a excellent new content to replace it with.

Hallothiel

I’d rather they sort the zone out than turn it over to pve.

And I can’t get my pvp fix elsewhere as I loathe BGs.

Amottica

No. Cyrodiil is still an active PvP zone that is missing PvE elements found in the regular PvE zones. It should remain as is.

BomblePants

How about no.

Cyrodil needs some love that’s all…. (ok major love but still….)

wheresbes

Cyrodiil is the only PVP I like so, no, thank you.

Still, I miss badly how it was in Oblivion, it's too barren here. I'd love if it would remain as it is, but with well-developed cities that could become PVE only areas.

Ariont

wheresbes wrote: »

Cyrodiil is the only PVP I like so, no, thank you.

Still, I miss badly how it was in Oblivion, it's too barren here. I'd love if it would remain as it is, but with well-developed cities that could become PVE only areas.

That really isn't a bad idea. Just like in Fargrave and The deadlands has friendly areas and non friendly areas.

dinokstrunz

Even from a PvE point of view Cyrodiil hardly has any PvE content in it worth talking about. Remove the no proc from no CP Cyrodiil and people will head back. No proc tests are boring and proved that it barely made any difference to Cyrodiils performance woes.

jedtb16_ESO

no thanks. i visit cyrodiil regularly and engage in pvp mostly without issue. the chance of getting ganked whilst exploring the delves adds a certain thrill.

TelvanniWizard

Imho all pve zones should be as big as Cyrodiil

Sheezabeast

ESO would lose a major selling point in today's MMO market if they only offered duels and battlegrounds or Imperial City. We need a PVP zone. Sorry.

jedtb16_ESO

dinokstrunz wrote: »

Even from a PvE point of view Cyrodiil hardly has any PvE content in it worth talking about. Remove the no proc from no CP Cyrodiil and people will head back. No proc tests are boring and proved that it barely made any difference to Cyrodiils performance woes.

i have to take issue with the statement highlighted. there are 18 delves in cyrodiil, more than any other map, and they have multiple bosses making them more like public dungeons. there are also several pve quest hubs.

CaptainVenom

PvP players got like... 2 open areas in the entire game? (Maybe 3 if you count sewers and city as a separate area).

PvE got everything else.

evoniee

i just revisit this forum after years of break, at a glance these 2 recent patch are decent and might actually make me install the game again. is pvp pop really that bad? hows cyro performance? im out since 2020 because it' so bad back then either in balance and performance.

spacefracking

No. Cyrodiil's a lot of fun.

redlink1979

Again, no.

Luke_Flamesword

You know that ZOS can make PvE chapter in Cyrodiil without touching current PvP zone? It's not real landmass so there absolutely no reason to kill it for making new space. They can remove current Cyrodill from main Tamriel map (and add some icon next to it) and voila - they can use all that space to make new chapters.

dinokstrunz

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

dinokstrunz wrote: »

Even from a PvE point of view Cyrodiil hardly has any PvE content in it worth talking about. Remove the no proc from no CP Cyrodiil and people will head back. No proc tests are boring and proved that it barely made any difference to Cyrodiils performance woes.

i have to take issue with the statement highlighted. there are 18 delves in cyrodiil, more than any other map, and they have multiple bosses making them more like public dungeons. there are also several pve quest hubs.

People rarely go inside those delves. I've played this game since it's launch and I've probably had maybe 2-3 encounters inside them. They're fine as they are. The quests you mention are just mostly just plain boring radiant quests, Go here pick up item, kill this and report back. It's extremely generic and doesn't require the removal of PvP to make it worth doing.

BlossomDead

I'd only say it's time to turn it better. The lags & game mechanics (constant dodging, blocking, healing stacking, vacuum cleaner groups aka ball groups aka dark convergence, hiding between rocks/in tents/small annexes) really diminish the experience.

The only reason I stick around Cyro is the concept of an open PVP map with a toon that I like, but PvP needs to be massively improved, it is at it's best quite frustrating currently, which is probably why a good amount of players don't bother with it anymore.

Chaos2088

Can see an extra pve zone as a chapter added to the game to include IC and central cyro. But not as a replacement, leave pvp as it is. There are guilds and communities still alive in pvp, would be a huge mistake to just get rid of all of that.