Hrothgar's nerfed to 13% from 26% of phys/sp resist damage done

YandereGirlfriend

PTS is down for maintenance... how are people testing this in-game?

Vevvev

Fhritz wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Fhritz wrote: »

13% BUT it ignores spell resist, keep that in mind

Yeah, I just saw that in the tooltip. Interesting change? I wonder if it already ignored Spell Resist and they are just now putting in the tooltip. That could explain why it was already hitting so hard.

I still think 13% may be a bit too low. 18-20% seems like the sweet spot imo.

Yeah, but you know ZoS : it's all or nothing

Sometimes quite literally all or nothing...

Stares at Mistform

jaws343

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

PTS is down for maintenance... how are people testing this in-game?

It's not on PTS

taugrim

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

13% means that it will more or less hit for 4,29 (but if they also fixed calculations it should hit for 2.1K max).

From a couple BGs this morning, I can confirm that the damage was in the mid 4-digit range. So mid 4k sounds about right.

taugrim

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

I'm not using Hrotgar (I'm farming it lol...well...was farming it) but most people I've played with/against so far haven't noticed any big shift....

Word is getting out.

Prices for Hrothgar weapons is plummeting. I got out of that market already.

Fhritz

In BG the proc does WAY less damage, i can guarantee you

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Huh, if I didn't read it hear I wouldn't have even known. I am still slapping people down with it just fine. Lmao a 50% nerf though, zos is truly silly.

TimeDazzler

@ZOS_GinaBruno this is not in the patch notes.

gamma71

Why do they even have a pts server or forum they don't listen to anything. The live server is the pts in reality. Push crap thru first then with out listening to anybody put it on live and then after pages of complaints try to "fix" there mistakes its mind boggling.

Abyssmol

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Cool, so now it will hit for 14.5k instead of 27k. That's still an insane amount of damage for doing nothing.

27k? Is this an exaggeration? The max I got hit was for ~9k. Usually my death recap is 4k to 5k.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Is it actually stronger then it was before some how? I am absolutely wrecking with it still. The aoe part seems to be weak now, but the single target is still knocking tanklets down.

J18696

I dont know what people you are fighting to think this set is stronger now than it was before but all this set needed was for the aoe bug to get fixed instead it was nerfed based off bugged numbers currently this set deals so little dmg it's pretty much a waste of inventory space if you don't want this set tobe another one of those irrelivant sets no one ever runs again id suggest putting it back to its old value

ZOS_GinaBruno

Hey all, apologies for the missed patch note for this item set. There was just some miscommunication and leaving out the change wasn't intentional. We'll get this added to the patch note thread now but for visibility, here is the full change:

• Hrothgar's Chill:
  • This item set now deals 13% of the added Physical and Spell Resistance on the initial target, down from 26%.
  • This set now ignores mitigation on all targets to ensure it remains a potent tank punishing set.
  • Fixed an issue where the explosion damage of this set was not being affected by Battle Spirit.

jerj6925

People demand Hrothgar's set be nerfed because its a no skill set to kill people while using it... yet bombers in the game can kille 1, 5, 10, 15, 30+ people instantly not because of the armor sets because all those people were playing dumb... but not the people who die to Hrothgars... they are smart players who die because of no skill armor.

divnyi

Abyssmol wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Cool, so now it will hit for 14.5k instead of 27k. That's still an insane amount of damage for doing nothing.

27k? Is this an exaggeration? The max I got hit was for ~9k. Usually my death recap is 4k to 5k.

27k might be exagerrated a bit, but I got plenty of 12k to 21k recaps.

But yeah, I played several games today and I can say that this set was fixed, from my experience.

YandereGirlfriend

jerj6925 wrote: »

People demand Hrothgar's set be nerfed because its a no skill set to kill people while using it... yet bombers in the game can kille 1, 5, 10, 15, 30+ people instantly not because of the armor sets because all those people were playing dumb... but not the people who die to Hrothgars... they are smart players who die because of no skill armor.

The last buff to Vicious Death put that set over the edge but before that it actually took quite a bit of skill to be a successful bomber.

Yes, there are the classic "Bomb the PvE'ers on the resource flag during Midyear Mayhem" opportunist-type bombers but legitimately good bombers are creative with their bombing and know how to catch even highly organized groups that are taking precautions off-guard. Your average Midyear Mayhem bomber simply can't do that. And I say this as a non-bomber and as someone who obviously hates to die to bombers. But you play long enough and you come to know who the good bombers are you come to respect their craft.

On the other hand... these new sets are, as I've said before, the Noob Tube of ESO. All you need to do is press one button from range during a moment of lag and you can wipe whomever you please. There's nothing to respect in that.

divnyi

jerj6925 wrote: »

People demand Hrothgar's set be nerfed because its a no skill set to kill people while using it... yet bombers in the game can kille 1, 5, 10, 15, 30+ people instantly not because of the armor sets because all those people were playing dumb... but not the people who die to Hrothgars... they are smart players who die because of no skill armor.

Well bombers don't run 35k heavy tanks that still kill people with the proc.

Larcomar

Feels like a pretty sledgehammer nerf. I mean, not saying the set didn't need a nerf, but knocking a straight 50% off so woon after release seems like an admission they got something badly wrong. How are people finding it now, or has it already been deconned?

taugrim

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, apologies for the missed patch note for this item set. There was just some miscommunication and leaving out the change wasn't intentional. We'll get this added to the patch note thread now but for visibility, here is the full change:

• Hrothgar's Chill:
  • This item set now deals 13% of the added Physical and Spell Resistance on the initial target, down from 26%.
  • This set now ignores mitigation on all targets to ensure it remains a potent tank punishing set.
  • Fixed an issue where the explosion damage of this set was not being affected by Battle Spirit.
    

And there we go! That 3rd bullet was one of the things we suspected may not have been working when the set was released.

Thanks Gina for the update!

The change to Hrothgar's is very healthy for PVP in terms of balance. Now Hrothgar's is worth slotting, but not faceroll OP like it was previously.

Marcus_Aurelius

For people saying this is a 50% nerf, I think you should read again and don't skip this line this time:
"This set now ignores mitigation on all targets to ensure it remains a potent tank punishing set"

Olen_Mikko

Well, no more free kills and sets doing the work for ya. People have to l2p again.

vms11934

So if a tanky player is running with say 70k combined resistances, it would be a 4,004 dmg ((70K * .13)*.44) AoE. Seems like it will be able to crit now too, so maybe an average of 5.5k dmg. If they are also running with 35k+ health, this hardly seems like the tank buster set. A lot of tanks are unkillable even now without the changes. Guess everyone should just be a tank.

divnyi

vms11934 wrote: »

So if a tanky player is running with say 70k combined resistances, it would be a 4,004 dmg ((70K * .13)*.44) AoE. Seems like it will be able to crit now too, so maybe an average of 5.5k dmg. If they are also running with 35k+ health, this hardly seems like the tank buster set. A lot of tanks are unkillable even now without the changes. Guess everyone should just be a tank.

Because it was never a tank buster set. It was buster of squishies that are in 8m near the tank

vms11934

divnyi wrote: »

vms11934 wrote: »

So if a tanky player is running with say 70k combined resistances, it would be a 4,004 dmg ((70K * .13)*.44) AoE. Seems like it will be able to crit now too, so maybe an average of 5.5k dmg. If they are also running with 35k+ health, this hardly seems like the tank buster set. A lot of tanks are unkillable even now without the changes. Guess everyone should just be a tank.

Because it was never a tank buster set. It was buster of squishies that are in 8m near the tank

Well, that would be odd: sets to indirectly damage those who are already susceptible to damage anyway. How about a set that does an AoE that does damage not based on the resistances of who the AoE is hitting but rather based on the resistances of who was initially hit. In other words, a set that is a buster of tanks for being near a squishy. Or better yet, let's just have sets that make sense and directly target a certain type of build.

DJfriede

vms11934 wrote: »

So if a tanky player is running with say 70k combined resistances, it would be a 4,004 dmg ((70K * .13)*.44) AoE. Seems like it will be able to crit now too, so maybe an average of 5.5k dmg. If they are also running with 35k+ health, this hardly seems like the tank buster set. A lot of tanks are unkillable even now without the changes. Guess everyone should just be a tank.

Don't forget the last part of the changes:

• This set now ignores mitigation on all targets to ensure it remains a potent tank punishing set.

So it's potentially 70k * 0.13 = 9.1k plus crit damage

jaws343

vms11934 wrote: »

So if a tanky player is running with say 70k combined resistances, it would be a 4,004 dmg ((70K * .13)*.44) AoE. Seems like it will be able to crit now too, so maybe an average of 5.5k dmg. If they are also running with 35k+ health, this hardly seems like the tank buster set. A lot of tanks are unkillable even now without the changes. Guess everyone should just be a tank.

Due to the way the damage for Hrothgar scales, it will not be able to crit. Crit only works for proc sets that have damage scaling from mag/stam, weapon/spell damage. And only those that scale that way and not with other things, like number of players in an area.

They even list all of the sets that will crit in the PTS patch notes.

Hrothgar will not be one of them.

vms11934

jaws343 wrote: »

vms11934 wrote: »

So if a tanky player is running with say 70k combined resistances, it would be a 4,004 dmg ((70K * .13)*.44) AoE. Seems like it will be able to crit now too, so maybe an average of 5.5k dmg. If they are also running with 35k+ health, this hardly seems like the tank buster set. A lot of tanks are unkillable even now without the changes. Guess everyone should just be a tank.

Due to the way the damage for Hrothgar scales, it will not be able to crit. Crit only works for proc sets that have damage scaling from mag/stam, weapon/spell damage. And only those that scale that way and not with other things, like number of players in an area.

They even list all of the sets that will crit in the PTS patch notes.

Hrothgar will not be one of them.

I expect Dark Convergence won't be able to crit because the damage scales with how many people are in the AoE, but Hrothgar's is based on a stat just like all the others (e.g max weapon/spell damage, max health, etc). So I expect Hrothgars to be able to crit. We'll soon see though.

jaws343

vms11934 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

vms11934 wrote: »

So if a tanky player is running with say 70k combined resistances, it would be a 4,004 dmg ((70K * .13)*.44) AoE. Seems like it will be able to crit now too, so maybe an average of 5.5k dmg. If they are also running with 35k+ health, this hardly seems like the tank buster set. A lot of tanks are unkillable even now without the changes. Guess everyone should just be a tank.

Due to the way the damage for Hrothgar scales, it will not be able to crit. Crit only works for proc sets that have damage scaling from mag/stam, weapon/spell damage. And only those that scale that way and not with other things, like number of players in an area.

They even list all of the sets that will crit in the PTS patch notes.

Hrothgar will not be one of them.

I expect Dark Convergence won't be able to crit because the damage scales with how many people are in the AoE, but Hrothgar's is based on a stat just like all the others (e.g max weapon/spell damage, max health, etc). So I expect Hrothgars to be able to crit. We'll soon see though.

We literally don't have to see. They listed all of the sets that will crit in the PTS notes. It's there, we already know. And they specifically already said only the weapon/spell and mag/stam scaling sets would be included. It's not a guess, it's what they said and showed.

jaws343

vms11934 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

vms11934 wrote: »

So if a tanky player is running with say 70k combined resistances, it would be a 4,004 dmg ((70K * .13)*.44) AoE. Seems like it will be able to crit now too, so maybe an average of 5.5k dmg. If they are also running with 35k+ health, this hardly seems like the tank buster set. A lot of tanks are unkillable even now without the changes. Guess everyone should just be a tank.

Due to the way the damage for Hrothgar scales, it will not be able to crit. Crit only works for proc sets that have damage scaling from mag/stam, weapon/spell damage. And only those that scale that way and not with other things, like number of players in an area.

They even list all of the sets that will crit in the PTS patch notes.

Hrothgar will not be one of them.

I expect Dark Convergence won't be able to crit because the damage scales with how many people are in the AoE, but Hrothgar's is based on a stat just like all the others (e.g max weapon/spell damage, max health, etc). So I expect Hrothgars to be able to crit. We'll soon see though.

"Item sets that scale off Weapon Damage, Spell Damage, Max Magicka, and Max Stamina can now again Critically Strike."
From the PTS patch notes.

PvP Sourced
Spoiler

Affliction
Almalexia's Mercy
Increased the healing by approximately 17% per tick.
Galerion's Revenge
Reduced the damage by less than 1%.
Stack cooldown is now 0.5 seconds instead of 1 second to meet standards.
Kyne's Kiss
The heal now scales off your Max Magicka or Stamina, whichever is higher, rather than a flat value. The Stamina restore is still based on the item level.
Phoenix
Vicecanon of Venom
Vicious Death

No Hrothgar. No DC.

vms11934

Looks like I stand corrected. Thanks for the info