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Hrothgar's nerfed to 13% from 26% of phys/sp resist damage done
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think an important clarification we need is whether the scaling with multiple players that was causing larger amounts of damage than the set described was intended.
If it wasn't intended and they fixed that as well, then yeah, I think this was an overnerf. In fact, I don't even think it should have been nerfed at all if that was the case and it wasn't meant to seemingly ignore battle spirit in some instances.
But if the set is meant to apparently bypass battlespirit in some instances, then I think this falls in line with a decent proc size.
Honestly though, rarely has the set posed any issues imo. I think the only time I ever saw the set really destroy me was when a stam sorc was running it with crystal weapon and frenzied momentum. They'd heavy attack immediately followed with a streak through me and I would just explode.1 -
Jameson18✭✭✭✭✭I think an important clarification we need is whether the scaling with multiple players that was causing larger amounts of damage than the set described was intended.
If it wasn't intended and they fixed that as well, then yeah, I think this was an overnerf. In fact, I don't even think it should have been nerfed at all if that was the case and it wasn't meant to seemingly ignore battle spirit in some instances.
But if the set is meant to apparently bypass battlespirit in some instances, then I think this falls in line with a decent proc size.
Honestly though, rarely has the set posed any issues imo. I think the only time I ever saw the set really destroy me was when a stam sorc was running it with crystal weapon and frenzied momentum. They'd heavy attack immediately followed with a streak through me and I would just explode.
Or... its their band-aid fix because they don't know what's wrong or how to fix it.7 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think an important clarification we need is whether the scaling with multiple players that was causing larger amounts of damage than the set described was intended.
If it wasn't intended and they fixed that as well, then yeah, I think this was an overnerf. In fact, I don't even think it should have been nerfed at all if that was the case and it wasn't meant to seemingly ignore battle spirit in some instances.
But if the set is meant to apparently bypass battlespirit in some instances, then I think this falls in line with a decent proc size.
Honestly though, rarely has the set posed any issues imo. I think the only time I ever saw the set really destroy me was when a stam sorc was running it with crystal weapon and frenzied momentum. They'd heavy attack immediately followed with a streak through me and I would just explode.
Or... its their band-aid fix because they don't know what's wrong or how to fix it.
Sure,if true it would fall into a not meant to bypass battle spirit issue but no real fix yet solution. Which is fine, as long as they increase the damage again after they fix it.
If it stays at 13% and has none of the issues that the previous live version has, then it would be doing very ineffective damage. 13% on like 40K resists is 5200 damage, and then you need to take in damage mitigation and battle spirit. Would be lucky to do 2K damage on the proc on average resist players.0 -
Fhritz✭✭✭✭✭13% BUT it ignores spell resist, keep that in mindI'm a single character man.
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And...that's it.4 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭13% BUT it ignores spell resist, keep that in mind
Yeah, I just saw that in the tooltip. Interesting change? I wonder if it already ignored Spell Resist and they are just now putting in the tooltip. That could explain why it was already hitting so hard.
I still think 13% may be a bit too low. 18-20% seems like the sweet spot imo.0 -
Fhritz✭✭✭✭✭13% BUT it ignores spell resist, keep that in mind
Yeah, I just saw that in the tooltip. Interesting change? I wonder if it already ignored Spell Resist and they are just now putting in the tooltip. That could explain why it was already hitting so hard.
I still think 13% may be a bit too low. 18-20% seems like the sweet spot imo.
Yeah, but you know ZoS : it's all or nothingI'm a single character man.
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And...that's it.2 -
vms11934✭✭✭I wonder if the damage is a % of your combined physical and spell resist. The tooltip does say "dealing 26% of their total Physical Resistance and Spell Resistance." That would explain some of the very high numbers I have been hit with (or else I am being hit with the AOE of someone else's super high armor (50k+ resist).0
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J18696✭✭✭✭✭I wonder if the damage is a % of your combined physical and spell resist. The tooltip does say "dealing 26% of their total Physical Resistance and Spell Resistance." That would explain some of the very high numbers I have been hit with (or else I am being hit with the AOE of someone else's super high armor (50k+ resist).
Yes it has always worked off both resists0 -
taugrim✭✭✭✭✭Probably over-nerfed but oh well.
Let's try it at 13% and see how it feels, before claiming it's over-nerfed.
Hrothgar's Chill was stupidly faceroll before today.
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Probably over-nerfed but oh well.
Let's try it at 13% and see how it feels, before claiming it's over-nerfed.
Hrothgar's Chill was stupidly faceroll before today.
I didn't touch the set out of principle. It promoted such low-skill-but-highly-effective gameplay. Same with Dark Convergence. One player pulls, and their team mates nuke the bunch.
I think the problem was it was bugged or they weren't telling us the whole story of how the set worked.
If it was bugged, then the bugs need to be fixed without a damage change so that we can see how it truly was supposed to function.
If there were underlying mechanics to its function and it was acting as intended, then sure, the 13% is fine, although I think too much of a decrease, but those underlying mechanics need to be relayed to us.
Too often, this forum gets hung up on the word nerf and uses it to describe bug fixes. Bug fixes are not nerfs.
Now this change they did could have been both a bug fix and a nerf. Which I would completely be against. Do one or the other to see how it performs afterwards, not both at the same time.Edited by jaws343 on September 20, 2021 3:52PM1 -
Fhritz✭✭✭✭✭Ty. Ninja nerf ^^
Honestly it's more an "balance" update more than a nerf (loot at https://i.ibb.co/FbFGgRJ/Screenshot-1.png)I'm a single character man.
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And...that's it.2 -
divnyi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ty. Ninja nerf ^^
Honestly it's more an "balance" update more than a nerf (loot at https://i.ibb.co/FbFGgRJ/Screenshot-1.png)
Armor is not multiplied by 2 in that math. Try this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlT6myEhHmGuj4Ptz_92bb_1jALHy4adGSh9QffYzQg/edit?usp=sharing
But ye, it looks like band-aid fix. Better than no fix honestly, so thanks at that.
I hope they will redesign the set into single-target tank-slayer set one day, that would scale from WD/SD.1 -
Fhritz✭✭✭✭✭Ty. Ninja nerf ^^
Honestly it's more an "balance" update more than a nerf (loot at https://i.ibb.co/FbFGgRJ/Screenshot-1.png)
Armor is not multiplied by 2 in that math. Try this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlT6myEhHmGuj4Ptz_92bb_1jALHy4adGSh9QffYzQg/edit?usp=sharing
But ye, it looks like band-aid fix. Better than no fix honestly, so thanks at that.
I hope they will redesign the set into single-target tank-slayer set one day, that would scale from WD/SD.
No, armor is multiplied by 2 on my graph, i can assure you ^^I'm a single character man.
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divnyi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ty. Ninja nerf ^^
Honestly it's more an "balance" update more than a nerf (loot at https://i.ibb.co/FbFGgRJ/Screenshot-1.png)
Armor is not multiplied by 2 in that math. Try this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlT6myEhHmGuj4Ptz_92bb_1jALHy4adGSh9QffYzQg/edit?usp=sharing
But ye, it looks like band-aid fix. Better than no fix honestly, so thanks at that.
I hope they will redesign the set into single-target tank-slayer set one day, that would scale from WD/SD.
No, armor is multiplied by 2 on my graph, i can assure you ^^
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Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As far as I can tell this set is supposed to add Physical & Spell resistance & then deal 26% as AOE damage. So if some one has 33K Physical & Spell resistance, then it is 33K + 33K = 66K. 66K x 26% = 17K damage.
The thing is that once you add battle spirit (50% damage reduction) and Resistance (another 50% reduction) this goes down to 4,29K damage.
But the problem is that Hrothgar is on average is hitting for 8K or more. So it is either calculation that is bugged or it ignores battle spirit or your Resistance (it acts as oblivion damage).
13% means that it will more or less hit for 4,29 (but if they also fixed calculations it should hit for 2.1K max).
It looks to me as if they were unable to fix calculations, so the halved base damage.Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on September 20, 2021 5:11PM1 -
Fhritz✭✭✭✭✭Ty. Ninja nerf ^^
Honestly it's more an "balance" update more than a nerf (loot at https://i.ibb.co/FbFGgRJ/Screenshot-1.png)
Armor is not multiplied by 2 in that math. Try this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlT6myEhHmGuj4Ptz_92bb_1jALHy4adGSh9QffYzQg/edit?usp=sharing
But ye, it looks like band-aid fix. Better than no fix honestly, so thanks at that.
I hope they will redesign the set into single-target tank-slayer set one day, that would scale from WD/SD.
No, armor is multiplied by 2 on my graph, i can assure you ^^
33000*2*0.26 = 17160
Yes but you also need to take in count the base armor resist for the old value, and for 33k it's 50% mitigation so 33000*2*0.26*0.5 = 8580I'm a single character man.
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And...that's it.0 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
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And battle spirit in another 50%, so it should be around 4,3KTy. Ninja nerf ^^
Honestly it's more an "balance" update more than a nerf (loot at https://i.ibb.co/FbFGgRJ/Screenshot-1.png)
Armor is not multiplied by 2 in that math. Try this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlT6myEhHmGuj4Ptz_92bb_1jALHy4adGSh9QffYzQg/edit?usp=sharing
But ye, it looks like band-aid fix. Better than no fix honestly, so thanks at that.
I hope they will redesign the set into single-target tank-slayer set one day, that would scale from WD/SD.
No, armor is multiplied by 2 on my graph, i can assure you ^^
33000*2*0.26 = 17160
Yes but you also need to take in count the base armor resist for the old value, and for 33k it's 50% mitigation so 33000*2*0.26*0.5 = 85800 -
taugrim✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »It looks to me as if they were unable to fix calculations, so the halved base damage.
I don't care how they change / fix it, so long as the damage is reasonable.
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MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Cool, so now it will hit for 14.5k instead of 27k. That's still an insane amount of damage for doing nothing.3 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »Cool, so now it will hit for 14.5k instead of 27k. That's still an insane amount of damage for doing nothing.
Definitely. This is still such an aberrant proc.2 -
fred4✭✭✭✭✭
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Indeed. They probably just fixed the tooltip. Look at Hoarcrux' YouTube video. The set is weird / buggy af and hits players around the primary target hard, but not the primary target itself, by the looks of things. The damage to the primary target seemed to account for Battle Spirit already. This remains clear as mud. I bet they did nothing to fix the actual code.anyone with live experience of Hrotgar now?
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Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭I'm not using Hrotgar (I'm farming it lol...well...was farming it) but most people I've played with/against so far haven't noticed any big shift....
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