Hrothgar's nerfed to 13% from 26% of phys/sp resist damage done

SkaraMinoc

40k spell resist + 40k physical resist = 80k total resist
80k total resist * 0.13 = 10.4k damage
10.4k damage * 0.5 battle spirit = 5.2k final damage

5.2k is not very punishing to the target

Is the explosion part of the proc still 0.26? If so then it would be 10.4k damage to nearby teammates which is very high.

SkaraMinoc

Oh this change is live now on PC NA.

No wonder I stopped seeing it used in battlegrounds.



This is kind of a dead set now I think. 80k total resist will only do 5.2k now to all targets. That is not very punishing.

I will have to try Aetherial Ascension + Pariah and see what happens.

taugrim

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, apologies for the missed patch note for this item set. There was just some miscommunication and leaving out the change wasn't intentional. We'll get this added to the patch note thread now but for visibility, here is the full change:

• Hrothgar's Chill:
  • This item set now deals 13% of the added Physical and Spell Resistance on the initial target, down from 26%.
  • This set now ignores mitigation on all targets to ensure it remains a potent tank punishing set.
  • Fixed an issue where the explosion damage of this set was not being affected by Battle Spirit.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Oh this change is live now on PC NA.

No wonder I stopped seeing it used in battlegrounds.



This is kind of a dead set now I think. 80k total resist will only do 5.2k now to all targets. That is not very punishing.

I will have to try Aetherial Ascension + Pariah and see what happens.

Let's think through this.

Let's say an "average" target has 22k resistances in PVP. So 44k total of phys + spell.

13% of 44k = 5720

If you hit 2 targets, that's 11440 up to every 7 seconds, per the tooltip, or 1634 DPS per target. This is *not* subject to mitigation.

That compares favorably with most proc sets, which were dealing ~1.6k DPS per target before mitigation is applied.

You could easily make the argument that Hrothgar's is still over-performing, even after the nerf, based on the numbers above

SkaraMinoc

taugrim wrote: »

13% of 44k = 5720

If you hit 2 targets, that's 11440 up to every 7 seconds, per the tooltip, or 1634 DPS per target. This is *not* subject to mitigation.

With battle spirit, that's only 2860 damage or 408 dps.

taugrim

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

taugrim wrote: »

13% of 44k = 5720

If you hit 2 targets, that's 11440 up to every 7 seconds, per the tooltip, or 1634 DPS per target. This is *not* subject to mitigation.

With battle spirit, that's only 2860 damage or 408 dps.

So what?

The comparison was against proc sets that typically deal damage around ~1.6k average DPS before mitigation sources including Battle Spirit.

ealdwin

If ZOS removed the AoE portion, they could probably also get away with increasing the damage to 15%, and make it a bit more effective at specifically countering tanks without punishing squishier nearby players.

There really isn't a reason it needs to be AoE.

jaws343

Finally got a chance to play this a bit tonight on my mag sorc post fix and nerf. Not really that good. I think the only spots where it really did anything were spots where the damage I was losing from not running more max mag would have finished someone more reliably.

Although, I did find that escapist poisons were a great sorc of the immobilize to proc it. Was using that to target specific people for a burst and streak to burst through when people packed close hoping to get some decent splash damage.

But yeah, not all that impressed on where it is at. Moving back to the tried and true max mag with no procs.

ResidentContrarian

Good riddance. A set shouldn't play the game for you.

YandereGirlfriend

Glad that I sold off all of my gold jewels last week before the patch hit.

Abyssmol

Lol and this is the main reason I stopped farming anything anymore! Good riddance!? I guess!

angelofdeath333

Hahaha, YES!! i made a ton of Gold selling it, and it got nerfed. I am happy.

Ocelot9x

taugrim wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, apologies for the missed patch note for this item set. There was just some miscommunication and leaving out the change wasn't intentional. We'll get this added to the patch note thread now but for visibility, here is the full change:

• Hrothgar's Chill:
  • This item set now deals 13% of the added Physical and Spell Resistance on the initial target, down from 26%.
  • This set now ignores mitigation on all targets to ensure it remains a potent tank punishing set.
  • Fixed an issue where the explosion damage of this set was not being affected by Battle Spirit.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Oh this change is live now on PC NA.

No wonder I stopped seeing it used in battlegrounds.



This is kind of a dead set now I think. 80k total resist will only do 5.2k now to all targets. That is not very punishing.

I will have to try Aetherial Ascension + Pariah and see what happens.

Let's think through this.

Let's say an "average" target has 22k resistances in PVP. So 44k total of phys + spell.

13% of 44k = 5720

If you hit 2 targets, that's 11440 up to every 7 seconds, per the tooltip, or 1634 DPS per target. This is *not* subject to mitigation.

That compares favorably with most proc sets, which were dealing ~1.6k DPS per target before mitigation is applied.

You could easily make the argument that Hrothgar's is still over-performing, even after the nerf, based on the numbers above

Never heard of battle spirit? 2.6k burst is something worthless. They missed a good chance with hrotghar, if the damage was really low vs 1 target but scaling with the total armor of the people in the area it would have been a good set to burst zergs