Would you play this game if add-ons didn't exist?

MJallday

Yes

Add ons = eso cheats and easy mode

[snip]

This is why the silver skins and above on console all versions are better than ANY equivalentPC player in my opinion .

Yes PC may have the nicer hardware and more FPS but it is also easy mode

[Edited to remove Baiting]

lillybit

Yes

I'm on console and don't want to play on PC! Not even a little bit

You've messed up your results by wording it like that - because actually, playing on console is a choice, not just something people do when they can't play on PC.
Console players like me will vote "yes" because it's the only option that's right, so it won't tell you what percentage of PC players can't live without add-ons, which feels like the point of the poll.

Gingatsu

No

MJallday wrote: »

Add ons = eso cheats and easy mode

[snip]

This is why the silver skins and above on console all versions are better than ANY equivalentPC player in my opinion .

Yes PC may have the nicer hardware and more FPS but it is also easy mode

This mentality is the one that brings the most problem in dungeons. I have played MMO's for nearly 2 decades (Starting with Ultima Online) and in each of them there was people who didn't looked at the boss field mechanics or skills and etc. Result was that those simple minded people died and then blatantly blamed the tank or healer for their own ignorance/stupidness. But after the addons came out, (like for example Recount etc.) you could see what the person was doing, if he stayed in the field and how much damage they got in the end and how much heal and taunt etc has been done. Long story short addons which tell you which button to press is indeed something for people who has mental issues maybe BUT addons such like damage meter who checks the actions of the people in Vet dungeons or Trials (raids) are essential hence you can confront those leechers and TIME STEALERS! So your logic is faulty to begin with.

twev

No

HumbleThaumaturge wrote: »

Addons are cheating.

If addons were cheating, why would ZOS have written the API to allow them to talk to the game?
ZOS has changed aspects of the API on occasion that rendered certain addons null, so clearly they could do it at any time if they chose to.

MJallday

Yes

Gingatsu wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

Add ons = eso cheats and easy mode

[snip]

This is why the silver skins and above on console all versions are better than ANY equivalentPC player in my opinion .

Yes PC may have the nicer hardware and more FPS but it is also easy mode

This mentality is the one that brings the most problem in dungeons. I have played MMO's for nearly 2 decades (Starting with Ultima Online) and in each of them there was people who didn't looked at the boss field mechanics or skills and etc. Result was that those simple minded people died and then blatantly blamed the tank or healer for their own ignorance/stupidness. But after the addons came out, (like for example Recount etc.) you could see what the person was doing, if he stayed in the field and how much damage they got in the end and how much heal and taunt etc has been done. Long story short addons which tell you which button to press is indeed something for people who has mental issues maybe BUT addons such like damage meter who checks the actions of the people in Vet dungeons or Trials (raids) are essential hence you can confront those leechers and TIME STEALERS! So your logic is faulty to begin with.

So what your saying is all PC players lack the mentality to play without adons

Crikey that’s rather insulting . And that’s certainly not what I would suggest

What I’m saying is that the prompts of “press this or prepare for that” are not necessary - in fact there isn’t a single add on which is “necessary “ for this game to be played, as proved by everyone on console

Also you can see when someone is “stood in stupid” on any version

Also the toxicity of calling someone a “time stealer” with statistics to back it up
is exactly the reason most of the reason why I’d want to stay away from such a spiteful community

Pc can Keep the add ons that’s fine, but it breeds nastiness - as demonstrated here

Gingatsu

No

So what your saying is all PC players lack the mentality to play without adons

Crikey that’s rather insulting . And that’s certainly not what I would suggest

What I’m saying is that the prompts of “press this or prepare for that” are not necessary - in fact there isn’t a single add on which is “necessary “ for this game to be played, as proved by everyone on console

Also you can see when someone is “stood in stupid” on any version

Also the toxicity of calling someone a “time stealer” with statistics to back it up
is exactly the reason most of the reason why I’d want to stay away from such a spiteful community

Pc can Keep the add ons that’s fine, but it breeds nastiness - as demonstrated here

Your response just proved that you learned nothing and you don't aim to learn nothing. Youre just argumenting for the sake to win a conversation there is no solid point in what you say. And your way of response is just like a person who tries to act smart and blame the person while dodging the stated fact and issue. Smart move but not smart enough.

Like I mentioned on my comment, addons which tell you to press which buttons are pointless. I agree to that. Then its not you who plays the game, its the addon and you are the person who presses the buttons asked. BUT I specifically mentioned that such addons like damage meter are essential because you can observe what has been done WRONG. [snip g.t.h editor]

Me seeing the person standing in the field does not prove anything. I have debated such things with those players before and the result is always the same they deny it. [snip] Like I said a healer who does not heal but tells you use your own sustenance... WTF? you are applying to a dungeon as a healer and do not heal, apply as a tank but do not taunt etc. you can count them. [snip] [g.t.h editor]

And yes it is time stealing hence I am a working person and I have limited time to play so I want to play it with quality. I am spending time for this game, it is valuable, I am doing this to have fun, not to be leeched or even worse my time being stolen by [snip]

Time is not infinite for us humans, especially if you're above a specific age and you have some obligations too. So taking some free time for yourself for 1 or 2 hours a day means something to you. And that some ignorant brat coming ruining it, just because he or she don't even care about what happens to him/herself and just tunnelvision DPS the boss and dying while doing it is actually not only stealing MY time its also stealing from other people. And I am being called toxic to state such indecency. [snip] [g.t.h editor]

Addons are a way for people who values the game and their time. [snip] [g.t.h editor]

[Edited to remove Baiting] [g.t.h editor]

Nobuyoshi

No

MJallday wrote: »

Gingatsu wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

Add ons = eso cheats and easy mode

[snip]

This is why the silver skins and above on console all versions are better than ANY equivalentPC player in my opinion .

Yes PC may have the nicer hardware and more FPS but it is also easy mode

This mentality is the one that brings the most problem in dungeons. I have played MMO's for nearly 2 decades (Starting with Ultima Online) and in each of them there was people who didn't looked at the boss field mechanics or skills and etc. Result was that those simple minded people died and then blatantly blamed the tank or healer for their own ignorance/stupidness. But after the addons came out, (like for example Recount etc.) you could see what the person was doing, if he stayed in the field and how much damage they got in the end and how much heal and taunt etc has been done. Long story short addons which tell you which button to press is indeed something for people who has mental issues maybe BUT addons such like damage meter who checks the actions of the people in Vet dungeons or Trials (raids) are essential hence you can confront those leechers and TIME STEALERS! So your logic is faulty to begin with.

So what your saying is all PC players lack the mentality to play without adons

Crikey that’s rather insulting . And that’s certainly not what I would suggest

What I’m saying is that the prompts of “press this or prepare for that” are not necessary - in fact there isn’t a single add on which is “necessary “ for this game to be played, as proved by everyone on console

Also you can see when someone is “stood in stupid” on any version

Also the toxicity of calling someone a “time stealer” with statistics to back it up
is exactly the reason most of the reason why I’d want to stay away from such a spiteful community

Pc can Keep the add ons that’s fine, but it breeds nastiness - as demonstrated here

what kind statement of this " toxicity ..." "spiteful.." is what u making right now flaming over nonsense addon pool to a person as if this is personal or are u trying to gather rally to ppl who is against ur opinion ? you need to think at first place this wasn't necessary but here we are and seeing ppl how respond messages maturely like you did

you have to respect others if you want to see respect back. normally this is one of simple rule of society but seems these days parents doesn't teach. game life for some ppl has no value and they think they can do whatever they want yes but there is border u can' t ruin other person's game or time u have no right to do

as an example if i enter veteran dungeon or trial without knowing nothing and saying nothing to others my knowledge level and causing to wipe over and over again this is shame for me and it is should be for other person who is causing this from here your respect to your fellow gamer learning boss tacts or at least saying ur first time and have little knowledge about its not end of the world we can share the info.

i suggest to ppl stop flaming over an unnecessary pool and focus real problems in game instead of saying PC player- SATA player- CONSOL player. produce solution instead of flaming. we are playing same game not a separated one.

Serenez

Yes

I came from Console and moved to PC. On Console you do not know anything different. On PC though once people become accustom to having something, it is very difficult when it is taken away. Could I manage? Short answer yes. Would I stop playing? Short answer no. I would however find it more of a burden for surveys etc. as I only have one monitor (my TV) and it is hard for me to look at my phone on the internet (for locations) and refocus my eyes back and forth to the TV. Map Pins I find is one add on I would be extremely sad to see go, as I would imagine it would be for others.

Map Pins possible solution - If the Developers could add a toggle in the main game settings. Allow for X, Y, Z On or Off. This would provide a solution for those who wish to discover locations, skyshard, wayshrines, treasure chests, surveys etc. on their own, while allowing those who have spent years in the zones and have already discovered them to quickly toggle it On to make things quicker for them and more time efficient.

EHT Possible solution (for attunable tables) - This is another one I enjoy having the features of. it organizing them for you. Can I live without it? Yes. Would it be more labor intensive and frustrating. Yes.
Possible solution (for attunable tables) - Add this into the base housing editor or come up with a more feasible solution to the growing number of these tables.

Guildmaster Add Ons - I have a very small guild and use these very infrequent, however there is a great value in these for Guildmasters which include a variety of useful administrative functions. Currently managing a guild (large one) is a full time job (or part time if you have the officers to assist), especially a trading guild. Most players that do not run Trading guilds are clueless as to the time and effort this takes. Currently many use Google sheets to track member data for raffle tickets etc. which really is time consuming to say the least. Other add-ons may assist with other tasks like communication or tracking sales data/dues etc.
Guildmaster possible solutionsZOS is now Microsoft. There should be no reason why GMs need to access Google anything to play a Microsoft game. Microsoft has Excel, in addition to a mailing system and other fantastic admin tools and expertise at their disposal. If the technology would allow, I might suggest adding a separate server for Guilds and communications/sales/bank data that is similar to an add on but would work like an in game app. This app would be accessible on the phones/tablets/pcs etc. so people can access it from work or when they are away from the game.
Have a drop down menu where you select the Game, the platform, the server, then have tabs for your Guilds within.

I am not a technical expert so once again if technology would allow - have the game send the data in intervals determined to maintain stability within the game server to this Microsoft APP that is also accessible in game. So when people access sales data/bank data, communications etc. it is sent from the APP. ZOS would be the one requesting the ping for data and transferring it to the APP. at their controlled rate. This would decrease the number of various ping requests from the gameplay server,
This data would then imported into a game version of Excel for the associated Guilds with the Guildmasters having functions to sort data accordingly. Also this data could be used to run raffles etc right from within the game APP. It would also be accessible via an APP on people's phones/tablets etc. Also having an in game Guild hub where you have a place to put news/communications/similar to Discord but accessible 'in game' and on an APP outside the game. Having this run off of a separate server from the gameplay may reduce certain lag etc. during actual gameplay? Once again I am not a programmer or have any technical expertise.

At the moment running a guild especially a large trading guild seems more like a job and a chore and is extremely stressful to some and not enjoyable at the best of times. By implementing simple administrative tools to make things easier, less time consuming and actually fun for Guilldmasters would be an asset in ESO and in any game for that matter

code65536

No

LOL.

No.

FantasticFreddie

Yes

Would I play? Yes. Would I do writs? HECKIN NO

Tandor

Yes

I've played continuously on PC since launch and have never installed a single add-on. I have no interest in them.

FantasticFreddie

Yes

Also-- PC/NA is as far as I know the only platform/server to do multiple no UI trifectas.
Addons are lovely, lovely quality of life changers.
Doesn't mean we can't play without them.

menedhyn

Yes

I use one add-on (Screenshot Helper) very occasionally. I can live without it of course, so yes I would still play. No drama.

Amottica

While the answer is technical yes, I would not have played this game very long. The base game UI is not up to par with the customary MMORPG UI. I am not sure why the UI design is lacking what is pretty much standard information for this type of game but I am sure some of you have been around long enough to know why Zos chose to have players build out the UI for them.

MJallday

Yes

Nobuyoshi wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

Gingatsu wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

Add ons = eso cheats and easy mode

[snip]

This is why the silver skins and above on console all versions are better than ANY equivalentPC player in my opinion .

Yes PC may have the nicer hardware and more FPS but it is also easy mode

This mentality is the one that brings the most problem in dungeons. I have played MMO's for nearly 2 decades (Starting with Ultima Online) and in each of them there was people who didn't looked at the boss field mechanics or skills and etc. Result was that those simple minded people died and then blatantly blamed the tank or healer for their own ignorance/stupidness. But after the addons came out, (like for example Recount etc.) you could see what the person was doing, if he stayed in the field and how much damage they got in the end and how much heal and taunt etc has been done. Long story short addons which tell you which button to press is indeed something for people who has mental issues maybe BUT addons such like damage meter who checks the actions of the people in Vet dungeons or Trials (raids) are essential hence you can confront those leechers and TIME STEALERS! So your logic is faulty to begin with.

So what your saying is all PC players lack the mentality to play without adons

Crikey that’s rather insulting . And that’s certainly not what I would suggest

What I’m saying is that the prompts of “press this or prepare for that” are not necessary - in fact there isn’t a single add on which is “necessary “ for this game to be played, as proved by everyone on console

Also you can see when someone is “stood in stupid” on any version

Also the toxicity of calling someone a “time stealer” with statistics to back it up
is exactly the reason most of the reason why I’d want to stay away from such a spiteful community

Pc can Keep the add ons that’s fine, but it breeds nastiness - as demonstrated here

what kind statement of this " toxicity ..." "spiteful.." is what u making right now flaming over nonsense addon pool to a person as if this is personal or are u trying to gather rally to ppl who is against ur opinion ? you need to think at first place this wasn't necessary but here we are and seeing ppl how respond messages maturely like you did

you have to respect others if you want to see respect back. normally this is one of simple rule of society but seems these days parents doesn't teach. game life for some ppl has no value and they think they can do whatever they want yes but there is border u can' t ruin other person's game or time u have no right to do

as an example if i enter veteran dungeon or trial without knowing nothing and saying nothing to others my knowledge level and causing to wipe over and over again this is shame for me and it is should be for other person who is causing this from here your respect to your fellow gamer learning boss tacts or at least saying ur first time and have little knowledge about its not end of the world we can share the info.

i suggest to ppl stop flaming over an unnecessary pool and focus real problems in game instead of saying PC player- SATA player- CONSOL player. produce solution instead of flaming. we are playing same game not a separated one.

Most of your statement I don’t understand but the last part is the most pertinent to the conversation and also the most incorrect

It’s precisely because of add ons that we don’t play the same game

That’s why a console “silver skin” or above has inherent more ability than a PC player who has used add ons to achieve that

I actually agree there are some 3rd party apps which would be brilliant (cmx being one) but actually they can be misused to berate players on pc rather than your assumption that they are being used for good

TheImperfect

Yes

Of course, but they do make it easier.

Linaleah

No

HyekAr wrote: »

Well I have Stadia, and there is no addons for me. So could U tell me the 5 best addons which make the game different and explain why?

There is a saying which says, that: "to the good worker the bad is the tool"- it is ironical saying

It means, that a good worker is good working with anything, and a bad one will always find something to blame on

best is going to be subjective, but I can tell you some of my top addons that I wouldn't be sticking around this game without.

1. Bandits UI. there are different options and preferences for UI mods, Bandit's is my. why it changes the game? among other things it allows me to move any and all in game frames around the screen into a configuration that I find comfortable as well as change what those frames look like, their individual size, etc. i play on a large screen monitor and base UI layout is awful for me. Bandit's let me make it more concise, easier to see and process.
2. Votan's minimap. Bandit's UI suite does have minimap option, but I personaly prefer votans. minimap means I don't have to constantly open my map to see that I'm going in a right direction. I am that person who doesn't remember routes in real life particularly well either, i NEED map acess constantly not to get lost. before GPS, I've been using paper maps.
3. inventory insight. allows me to see what my alts have in their inventory as well as what I have in storage and bank, without having to relog or travel to house where I have storage placed. saves a LOT of time for an altoholic like me and lets me play without having to maintain spreadsheet
4. master recipe list... similarly to inventory insight, it functions as aid to help me know which recipes I know or do not know on which characters without having to do a lot of logging or keeping a spreadsheet.
5. map pins. this one is subjective depending on how much exploring you want to be doing. its probably an addon i CAN have fun playing without unlike the first 4, but sometimes I just don't feel like exploring and finding things on my own, especially on alts. saves having to have various pages and guides open on my tablet while I play.


honorable mentions.
pchat. saves your chat settings across characters so that you don't have to keep redoing all the colors. also saves the text from previous conversations, so if you were talking to someone in guild for example and they asked you, I don't know, to craft a thing - when you relog on your crafter, you still have the text of your conversation in game.
port to friend - allows porting to houses of your friends or guildies that are NOT set as their primary even when they are offline/not in that house. only works on houses they own and made public, so privacy is still preserved,. but helps a ton with things like decorating contests and just traveling around.
postmaster. adds a reply button to mails. makes mail management in general easier and faster
rare fish tracker - puts an achievement tracker on my screen so that when I'm fishing I don't have to keep going into achievements tab to see what I still have to fish up in any given zone.
random mount. changes active mounts and/or mini pets randomly as you play. you can set which ones you want to switch between on any given character and how often. not necessary, but I find it fun and I missed the functionality from swtor (where its a part of basic UI)
Improved locations - changes location list to be easier to navigate. splits zones by alliance and then has separate section for DLC's, so instead of scrolling through one endless list, I find where I want to travel much faster. again not necessary, but I find it to be extremely convenient.
Dressing room or variations of thereof. save gear and skill presets so that when you are switching between roles, or between encounters, you can do so with a click of one button rather then dragging each skill/gear piece individually. saves a LOT of time when you carry multiple sets for variety of tasks.
Lazy writ crafter and Writ worthy - two different addons, but they are more or less in the same category. they basically automate crafting of quest items, one for daily writs, the other for master writs. these can be contentious for some people, and they used to be basically necessary as crafting UI used to be far worse then it is right now. but now that you actualy get quest markers on things you need to craft as well as visible list while in crafting UI, i would say they are a lot less contentious. still very convenient and I love them to pieces, because they save a LOT of time.


there are more, these are just the addons that I personaly like to use and its not even a complete list of addons for me.

is it possible to play without any or all of the above? yes, of course. is it fun? not really, not for me. ESO is not my first MMO by far. without addons, its the MMO with absolute worst base UI that I have personaly played. that includes WoW btw, that also has horrible base UI, but why was also designed to be played with addons pretty much from the start (why YES ESO was originally designed with people using addons in mind. it wasn't available on consoles for at least a year and consoles are probably the ONLY reason they are adding functionality to base UI at all)

edited to add hours after the fact, because your comparison was about workers and tools and i just happened to have been working on a painting project and though of it.

it is true that a good artist can create a good piece of art with just about anything. I'm not at that level.. hopefully yet, but I've seen artist create more then a passable painting with dollar store set of paints and a sheet of printer paper. it had issues cause quality of supplies DOES matter, but it was still visibly good art work.

but... and there is always a but..

I've used cheap crappy paper and cheap paints/pencils was able to work with it, but it was a time consuming, frustrating experience getting materials to behave. what good tools do is make experience MUCH smoother and more enjoyable. first time I used decent set of watercolors on 100% cotton paper was an absolute revelation. suddenly techniques that frustrated me before - just worked. and worked well every. single. time. and THAT.. is what addons in ESO do for a lot of us. its not that we can't do without. its that its frustrating, tedious unfun experience without.

for example... before ZoS implemented precision placement system into housing... it was addons or lengthy, sometimes frustrating moving around of objects while often zoomed in, crouching in stealth and readjusting over and over until the placement is where you want it to be. even after precision placement - addons still do it better. it STILL requires a creative person to design something awesome, having an addon doesn't just come up with ideas for you. all it does is make execution smoother and faster and more enjoyable.

rpa

I usually play games a while without addons before installing any and prefer having only a small set. However ESO has minimal UI, huge world where most zones more or less matter, hardcore inventory blues because unlimited itemization, main crafter (and crafter alt) character having to research and do all crafts by design and the guild trader system. I would seriously miss addons for minimap &cet destination finding, inventory management, crafting and trading at least. If all addons suddenly disappeared, I could continue play without but I don't know if I would bother.

Rudal

Yes

The only addons I use are the bags/bank grid and filter ones.
No need for anything else...

amm7sb14_ESO

I'm on PC, and barely use add on's as it is, so yes, I would still play the game without add-on's

In fact, I prefer to play without add-on's, because I'd rather play the game than have the game play itself for me.

Fenris_Arainai

Yes

I use only 3 anyway, and while they make life easier, it wouldn't be a tragedy not to have them.

Nord_Raseri

Yes

I'm on console, but no, I don't "want to be on PC"

Janus_Cruenti

Yes

Yes. I even disable most of them (minimap, FTC, RdK Group basically everything that causes more things blocking my screen) when not in group dungeons/PvP. Addons are definitely a nice help and especially PvP would probably have a hard time readjusting without them. But in the end, you can perfectly playing without them (unless you are really overly sweaty and need all numbers avaliable every time) and I wouldn't have an issue doing so if addons would become anvaliable after an update for example.

cynicalbutterfly

Yes

I play on PS5 so I essentially already play without add ons. Even if I played on PC, I'd go no add ons. As nice as some of them are it feels like cheating to me.

RodneyRegis

I would play, but there are things I would just stop doing. Writs for example. I do think I would probably struggle without inventory mods though, inventory insight, dustman, gear set sort, item saver, advanced filters.

Ye_Olde_Crowe

Yes

Oblivion was the last Elder Scrolls game I played with add-ons... one for fixing the disastrous localization, one for removing invisible borders, one for removing underwear and one that added beautiful horses... but actually I prefer my games vanilla.

I haven't used add-ons for ESO since I started playing back in 2015, and I don't plan on using any. So... yes.

Jarndyce

No

Lazy writ crafter and Writ worthy - two different addons, but they are more or less in the same category. they basically automate crafting of quest items, one for daily writs, the other for master writs. these can be contentious for some people, and they used to be basically necessary as crafting UI used to be far worse then it is right now. but now that you actualy get quest markers on things you need to craft as well as visible list while in crafting UI, i would say they are a lot less contentious. still very convenient and I love them to pieces, because they save a LOT of time.
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^This

As a casual player my time is important. I also make most of my gold crafting. Without addons I would probably stop playing.

Gingatsu

No

Most of your statement I don’t understand but the last part is the most pertinent to the conversation and also the most incorrect

It’s precisely because of add ons that we don’t play the same game

That’s why a console “silver skin” or above has inherent more ability than a PC player who has used add ons to achieve that

I actually agree there are some 3rd party apps which would be brilliant (cmx being one) but actually they can be misused to berate players on pc rather than your assumption that they are being used for good

Your comment on those silver players as being better is a biased comment and totally not right. I can prove that on many examples. Thing is that addons give PC players an easier variety to play the game. For example with the gathering nodes addon I don't need to memorise where the resources are I just look at my map and go farm then if necessary. Like I said before if you argue for the sake of immersion (in this case of world immersion etc.) then I can give you credit to a degree, hence I have played all Elder Scrolls Series and there was no addon either (except those people made later on)

BUT lets say you are with your guildmates and you are doing Trials and hmVet. it helps you out to optimise your game with them. Secondly, if you try to play with a random group you can avoid easily pointless arguments when you can state who is doing something wrong or not.

Just today again I had a group where someone joined in the role as tank but was actually a DPS player on Vet dungeon. We wiped over and over and after a while it was more frustrating gameplay than enjoyment. And the person didn't even accepted that he was doing something wrong to begin with.

And there is the other point that the game "tries" to emulate Elder Scroll game but fails in many aspects miserably, hence there are no such 'classes' in the original game to begin with.

Then they put the 'roles' option to the dungeon and battlefield participation, which is nonsense because there are really not much people who does care about it anyway. Like I mentioned before, people que with dps class to healer or tank roles just to become faster dungeon/battlefield, and they do not care if they ruin your game / day etc.

The company stating that you can become anything you want is just a ruse to lure in people who played Elder Scrolls series. This game is just another MMO with Elder Scrolls skin. Anyway the devs doesn't seem to care anyway as long as you buy the package and just shut up people, who mentions the wrong things on forum.

So if there is no point to have any roles to begin with, why implementing such a thing to the game and then get the people frustrated because some ignorants just do as they please because they are some OP players (which they aren't but they are nonetheless annoying on a whole other dimension)

Maybe this last part of my comment might look not related to the topic but it is very much. Because the developers are at fault to begin with. An addon is just a quality of life stuff you can use it or not, its at your own discretion but is it necessary? For me yes, it helps me out to sort things out easier, because of the design faults made by the developers to begin with. UI, interface, even checkboxes etc. you name it.

I am myself a game developer and I can count hundreds of things in this game which are utterly wrong and if I were the lead developer, I really would fire some of those guys (especially environment artists) because either they just slacked, they had no idea what they were doing or worse the owners of the company said make it as cheap as possible so that we can leech the people and they just copy pasted everything. If I were to give such a job to my employer he would fire me on the next second.

So why do I play this game? Because it is about the Elder Scrolls world I love and care about. I like the lore simple as that and ESO gives some insight to events that has not been mentioned in the series.

Gingatsu

No

Linaleah wrote: »

HyekAr wrote: »

Well I have Stadia, and there is no addons for me. So could U tell me the 5 best addons which make the game different and explain why?

There is a saying which says, that: "to the good worker the bad is the tool"- it is ironical saying

It means, that a good worker is good working with anything, and a bad one will always find something to blame on

best is going to be subjective, but I can tell you some of my top addons that I wouldn't be sticking around this game without.

1. Bandits UI. there are different options and preferences for UI mods, Bandit's is my. why it changes the game? among other things it allows me to move any and all in game frames around the screen into a configuration that I find comfortable as well as change what those frames look like, their individual size, etc. i play on a large screen monitor and base UI layout is awful for me. Bandit's let me make it more concise, easier to see and process.
2. Votan's minimap. Bandit's UI suite does have minimap option, but I personaly prefer votans. minimap means I don't have to constantly open my map to see that I'm going in a right direction. I am that person who doesn't remember routes in real life particularly well either, i NEED map acess constantly not to get lost. before GPS, I've been using paper maps.
3. inventory insight. allows me to see what my alts have in their inventory as well as what I have in storage and bank, without having to relog or travel to house where I have storage placed. saves a LOT of time for an altoholic like me and lets me play without having to maintain spreadsheet
4. master recipe list... similarly to inventory insight, it functions as aid to help me know which recipes I know or do not know on which characters without having to do a lot of logging or keeping a spreadsheet.
5. map pins. this one is subjective depending on how much exploring you want to be doing. its probably an addon i CAN have fun playing without unlike the first 4, but sometimes I just don't feel like exploring and finding things on my own, especially on alts. saves having to have various pages and guides open on my tablet while I play.


honorable mentions.
pchat. saves your chat settings across characters so that you don't have to keep redoing all the colors. also saves the text from previous conversations, so if you were talking to someone in guild for example and they asked you, I don't know, to craft a thing - when you relog on your crafter, you still have the text of your conversation in game.
port to friend - allows porting to houses of your friends or guildies that are NOT set as their primary even when they are offline/not in that house. only works on houses they own and made public, so privacy is still preserved,. but helps a ton with things like decorating contests and just traveling around.
postmaster. adds a reply button to mails. makes mail management in general easier and faster
rare fish tracker - puts an achievement tracker on my screen so that when I'm fishing I don't have to keep going into achievements tab to see what I still have to fish up in any given zone.
random mount. changes active mounts and/or mini pets randomly as you play. you can set which ones you want to switch between on any given character and how often. not necessary, but I find it fun and I missed the functionality from swtor (where its a part of basic UI)
Improved locations - changes location list to be easier to navigate. splits zones by alliance and then has separate section for DLC's, so instead of scrolling through one endless list, I find where I want to travel much faster. again not necessary, but I find it to be extremely convenient.
Dressing room or variations of thereof. save gear and skill presets so that when you are switching between roles, or between encounters, you can do so with a click of one button rather then dragging each skill/gear piece individually. saves a LOT of time when you carry multiple sets for variety of tasks.
Lazy writ crafter and Writ worthy - two different addons, but they are more or less in the same category. they basically automate crafting of quest items, one for daily writs, the other for master writs. these can be contentious for some people, and they used to be basically necessary as crafting UI used to be far worse then it is right now. but now that you actualy get quest markers on things you need to craft as well as visible list while in crafting UI, i would say they are a lot less contentious. still very convenient and I love them to pieces, because they save a LOT of time.


there are more, these are just the addons that I personaly like to use and its not even a complete list of addons for me.

is it possible to play without any or all of the above? yes, of course. is it fun? not really, not for me. ESO is not my first MMO by far. without addons, its the MMO with absolute worst base UI that I have personaly played. that includes WoW btw, that also has horrible base UI, but why was also designed to be played with addons pretty much from the start (why YES ESO was originally designed with people using addons in mind. it wasn't available on consoles for at least a year and consoles are probably the ONLY reason they are adding functionality to base UI at all)

edited to add hours after the fact, because your comparison was about workers and tools and i just happened to have been working on a painting project and though of it.

it is true that a good artist can create a good piece of art with just about anything. I'm not at that level.. hopefully yet, but I've seen artist create more then a passable painting with dollar store set of paints and a sheet of printer paper. it had issues cause quality of supplies DOES matter, but it was still visibly good art work.

but... and there is always a but..

I've used cheap crappy paper and cheap paints/pencils was able to work with it, but it was a time consuming, frustrating experience getting materials to behave. what good tools do is make experience MUCH smoother and more enjoyable. first time I used decent set of watercolors on 100% cotton paper was an absolute revelation. suddenly techniques that frustrated me before - just worked. and worked well every. single. time. and THAT.. is what addons in ESO do for a lot of us. its not that we can't do without. its that its frustrating, tedious unfun experience without.

for example... before ZoS implemented precision placement system into housing... it was addons or lengthy, sometimes frustrating moving around of objects while often zoomed in, crouching in stealth and readjusting over and over until the placement is where you want it to be. even after precision placement - addons still do it better. it STILL requires a creative person to design something awesome, having an addon doesn't just come up with ideas for you. all it does is make execution smoother and faster and more enjoyable.

Couldn't explain better.

Sheridan

Yes

Yes. I use only a few of them anyway.