800 gems for the mount

WrathOfInnos

Goregrinder wrote: »

Riptide wrote: »

It is sad to watch. It isn’t admiration I feel for those that get these expensive items, but pity.

Riptide wrote: »

It is sad to watch. It isn’t admiration I feel for those that get these expensive items, but pity.

You're allowed to feel however you want about it. The truth is, not every item offered in the crown store is going to be targeted at the demographic that you fall under. I think that's the root cause of why people get upset about pricing, they think that every item a store sells should be priced just for them, but that's not how all stores work. Much like how not every car at a dealership is going to be priced to target the demo you fall under, the crown store is the same.

These items are for people willing to fork over the dough to get them. You think it costs too much because it's beyond your budget to spend. But even if it takes $400 or $500 to get 800 gems, all of the guitars I own cost way more than that. Point being, not everyone thinks this is a a lot, and not everyone thinks this is out of their price range...these items are for their demo.

I see your point about pricing, but expensive guitars and cars both cost more to produce than cheap ones. Expensive virtual mounts have a one-time design cost (which is cheap on reskins) and then near zero recurring cost to copy the data. It’s also not a tangible item, you don’t own it, you can’t sell it if you decide you don’t need it anymore. If Fender decides to shut down the factory tomorrow that guitar isn’t going to vaporize, ESO mounts only last as long as ZOS decides to keep the servers going.

Shantu

The Crown Store is their gold mine...and they're going to push it in every way possible. And...guess what? It works. My guess is, based on past marketing and sales, they know exactly what they're doing. I wouldn't invest in crown crates to buy, but I'm betting there are scores of thousands that will.

_Zathras_

Goregrinder wrote: »

I think this mount is aimed at the demographic that think 800 gems isn't really a lot. I'd personally pay 800 gems if it's a mount I really wanted.

Even whales know when they are being price gouged.

So, I don't think they are whaling, so much as driving a price for perceived worth and status. There are a lot of suckers out there who will buy the ugliest new shiney on the market just so other people will ooooh and aaah at them.

Then there are the people that simply have a glut of gems, so, why not buy it.

(ESO is targeting the middle group)

The danger here, is that Gems are a more obscure form of currency. It is one removed from actual dollars. What does a hundred gems equal in $$? That's the catch, given the RNG in obtaining them. So their actual worth gets lost somewhere, and for ease of translating value we take real life dollars out of the equation.

We've been trained slowly to do this. Desensitized to what a Gem actually represents.

So now they've incrementally raised Gem prices, then raised them again, and now here we are today with an 800 Gem item..the community should take a hard look at what they have been getting away with. Because that no-effort re-skin mount is now worth several hundred real life dollars.

Last year about this time I took a long break because I was getting disgusted with ESO and their Cash Shop. Coming back, I see that it has become an uncontrolled monster for pricing.

As a consumer, I am appalled that they think we're that stupid. But, they will only put out what the metrics say the market will hold. So, while ESO is absolutely a price-gouging opportunist, the players that are eating this up make it worse and worse.

/shrug

Rahar

Oh no, how could ZOS do this.

[insert surprisedpikachu.png]

Goregrinder

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

Riptide wrote: »

It is sad to watch. It isn’t admiration I feel for those that get these expensive items, but pity.

Riptide wrote: »

It is sad to watch. It isn’t admiration I feel for those that get these expensive items, but pity.

You're allowed to feel however you want about it. The truth is, not every item offered in the crown store is going to be targeted at the demographic that you fall under. I think that's the root cause of why people get upset about pricing, they think that every item a store sells should be priced just for them, but that's not how all stores work. Much like how not every car at a dealership is going to be priced to target the demo you fall under, the crown store is the same.

These items are for people willing to fork over the dough to get them. You think it costs too much because it's beyond your budget to spend. But even if it takes $400 or $500 to get 800 gems, all of the guitars I own cost way more than that. Point being, not everyone thinks this is a a lot, and not everyone thinks this is out of their price range...these items are for their demo.

I see your point about pricing, but expensive guitars and cars both cost more to produce than cheap ones. Expensive virtual mounts have a one-time design cost (which is cheap on reskins) and then near zero recurring cost to copy the data. It’s also not a tangible item, you don’t own it, you can’t sell it if you decide you don’t need it anymore. If Fender decides to shut down the factory tomorrow that guitar isn’t going to vaporize, ESO mounts only last as long as ZOS decides to keep the servers going.

Cost of production isn't the only factor when determining what something is worth. If I take an already recorded music track, spend an hour of my time remixing it to sound different, then sell the remix, I don't think people are going to say "Hey we should get a 50% discount because we already bought the first version". I'd sell it for what I think people would pay for it, then list it accordingly.

Whether it takes 10 seconds or 5 hours to re-texture and re-color a mount skin won't change what the market says people are willing to pay for it.

M_Volsung

Make me glad I got the one mount I really wanted very early on when I started playing.

Ackwalan

Goregrinder wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

Riptide wrote: »

It is sad to watch. It isn’t admiration I feel for those that get these expensive items, but pity.

Riptide wrote: »

It is sad to watch. It isn’t admiration I feel for those that get these expensive items, but pity.

You're allowed to feel however you want about it. The truth is, not every item offered in the crown store is going to be targeted at the demographic that you fall under. I think that's the root cause of why people get upset about pricing, they think that every item a store sells should be priced just for them, but that's not how all stores work. Much like how not every car at a dealership is going to be priced to target the demo you fall under, the crown store is the same.

These items are for people willing to fork over the dough to get them. You think it costs too much because it's beyond your budget to spend. But even if it takes $400 or $500 to get 800 gems, all of the guitars I own cost way more than that. Point being, not everyone thinks this is a a lot, and not everyone thinks this is out of their price range...these items are for their demo.

I see your point about pricing, but expensive guitars and cars both cost more to produce than cheap ones. Expensive virtual mounts have a one-time design cost (which is cheap on reskins) and then near zero recurring cost to copy the data. It’s also not a tangible item, you don’t own it, you can’t sell it if you decide you don’t need it anymore. If Fender decides to shut down the factory tomorrow that guitar isn’t going to vaporize, ESO mounts only last as long as ZOS decides to keep the servers going.

Cost of production isn't the only factor when determining what something is worth. If I take an already recorded music track, spend an hour of my time remixing it to sound different, then sell the remix, I don't think people are going to say "Hey we should get a 50% discount because we already bought the first version". I'd sell it for what I think people would pay for it, then list it accordingly.

Whether it takes 10 seconds or 5 hours to re-texture and re-color a mount skin won't change what the market says people are willing to pay for it.

You might be missing the point. Re-mixed music can be saved and listened to whenever you want. A tangible "thing" can be used over and over even if the company that makes it no longer exists. The items in game can only be used as long as the game servers are on. You can save a picture of the mount for when the servers are down, but that is not the same.

Goregrinder

Ackwalan wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

Riptide wrote: »

It is sad to watch. It isn’t admiration I feel for those that get these expensive items, but pity.

Riptide wrote: »

It is sad to watch. It isn’t admiration I feel for those that get these expensive items, but pity.

You're allowed to feel however you want about it. The truth is, not every item offered in the crown store is going to be targeted at the demographic that you fall under. I think that's the root cause of why people get upset about pricing, they think that every item a store sells should be priced just for them, but that's not how all stores work. Much like how not every car at a dealership is going to be priced to target the demo you fall under, the crown store is the same.

These items are for people willing to fork over the dough to get them. You think it costs too much because it's beyond your budget to spend. But even if it takes $400 or $500 to get 800 gems, all of the guitars I own cost way more than that. Point being, not everyone thinks this is a a lot, and not everyone thinks this is out of their price range...these items are for their demo.

I see your point about pricing, but expensive guitars and cars both cost more to produce than cheap ones. Expensive virtual mounts have a one-time design cost (which is cheap on reskins) and then near zero recurring cost to copy the data. It’s also not a tangible item, you don’t own it, you can’t sell it if you decide you don’t need it anymore. If Fender decides to shut down the factory tomorrow that guitar isn’t going to vaporize, ESO mounts only last as long as ZOS decides to keep the servers going.

Cost of production isn't the only factor when determining what something is worth. If I take an already recorded music track, spend an hour of my time remixing it to sound different, then sell the remix, I don't think people are going to say "Hey we should get a 50% discount because we already bought the first version". I'd sell it for what I think people would pay for it, then list it accordingly.

Whether it takes 10 seconds or 5 hours to re-texture and re-color a mount skin won't change what the market says people are willing to pay for it.

You might be missing the point. Re-mixed music can be saved and listened to whenever you want. A tangible "thing" can be used over and over even if the company that makes it no longer exists. The items in game can only be used as long as the game servers are on. You can save a picture of the mount for when the servers are down, but that is not the same.

Tangibility is not a requirement for owning something, such as copyrighted ideas or intellectual property. But regardless, you're not paying for an actual item, you're paying for access to these items. 800 Gems grants me access to said mount within their game world running on their servers, anytime I want access to it.

Jaimeh

If you think how much mounts usually went for in the crown store 2-4k crowns, and then think if you can get 800 gems with 4k crowns, then you know they are trying to bury ridiculous overpricing behind currency conversions. Yeah, it's good to have gem sinks for people who buy crate and have nothing to spend their accummulated gems on, but these prices? They are just trying to sell more crates and mask ever rising prices behind gems. So greedy, buuut if they are getting away with it, it means there's demand, so it'll only get worse.

SickleCider

Holy cannoli! 😱

Gracous

Too expensive for me. Ill wait until there is something worth getting. I think I will be a waiting a long time

aurorable

Definitely over priced, the original 400 gem one looks better.

Fischblut

I was surprised to see the price.
All previous gem-exclusive mounts costed 400 - 600 gems, and most of them had very good look with unique effects (worthy of Radiant Apex quality).

When 600 gem mount is more Radiant than 1200 gem mount:



New Nighthaunt Gloomspore senche costs 800 gems, but for my taste his look doesn't match such high price I actually like Apex Senche form Gloomspore crates, and I own it. This new recolor, however, doesn't look unique... Also, it seems to use the same summoning animation and particle effects as 400 gem mount. I hoped it might have new effects, at least...

If somebody will like this mount enough to buy it, I would be interested in a showcase video

ThePianist

Goregrinder wrote: »

I think this mount is aimed at the demographic that think 800 gems isn't really a lot. I'd personally pay 800 gems if it's a mount I really wanted.

This. There’s people that can afford it and people who can’t afford it.

Wait until Zos releases flying mounts or polymorphs that give you wings. People will go into debt, trying to get those things.

I know for a fact, when flying mods and “working animated wings mod” for Skyrim came out, people broke their computers. They had to get new graphics cards, upgrades, repairs, ect...It took a whole year for the mod creators to simply the scripts. It was mayhem.

Mounts are a reflection of wants and desires in real life. If people really want something, they’ll pay out of pocket for it.

Jeffrey530

Riptide wrote: »

It is sad to watch. It isn’t admiration I feel for those that get these expensive items, but pity.

Personally I think the mount is ugly, but what a strange mentality you have, if people like the mount and pays for it, what is it to do with you? Imagine pitying someone eating a michelin three star meal, watching an expensive concert, buying different designer bags.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

What a lovely company to finally offer a way to earn gems in game with the next update, only to fling the prices of these reskinned eyesores to new heights I can only laugh at. $400+ dollars for an uglier version of a mount that was half the price before and was still too steep. LOL

omegatay_ESO

Ringing_Nirnroot wrote: »

Wow they really are desperate lol

According to Matt eso is doing better than it ever has. More people, more whales. The 1 to 5% are the ones dumping crazy amounts of money in the Crown Store.
The marketing team will certainly ask a price they think they can get. I am assuming 800 gems+ is selling quite well.

scorpius2k1

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

What a lovely company to finally offer a way to earn gems in game with the next update, only to fling the prices of these reskinned eyesores to new heights I can only laugh at. $400+ dollars for an uglier version of a mount that was half the price before and was still too steep. LOL

Seeing drastic increases like this is giving me some very low hopes of the endeavor system being actually enjoyable and somewhat reasonable. I am also curious if we are going to see more gem exclusivity to offset crate items being earnable. I hope I am wrong and not making a final decision until release, but have a feeling the sticker shock is going to be through the roof.

Interestingly enough, I noticed there is no mention (yet) of this new mount on TESO social Twitter / Facebook pages? Usually things like this, especially pets/mounts are first thing they post about "<insert new item here> is available in the Crown Store!". Judging from the responses thus far it's probably for the best.
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Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

omegatay_ESO wrote: »

Ringing_Nirnroot wrote: »

Wow they really are desperate lol

According to Matt eso is doing better than it ever has. More people, more whales. The 1 to 5% are the ones dumping crazy amounts of money in the Crown Store.
The marketing team will certainly ask a price they think they can get. I am assuming 800 gems+ is selling quite well.

They are "doing better than ever before" because everyone was quarantined for so long. From my own experience on console, the game is in a worse state than I've ever seen it.

Matchimus

I imagine the last 12 mths has been their most profitable and how do they replay the players? Try to squeeze even more from them. We are a means not an ends.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Non-crate gem exclusive tend to cost more than their in-crate cousin
But still...

WiseSky

I was expecting 600 as usual

800 is double the cost of the the normal apex ones...

I already have a Wolf GloomSpore with its pup as for my Earth Bender

Wolfpaw

Considering the last 2-3 years I don't believe this does a service to their brand and reputation.

Supertonicbaker

Remember, all they need is just 4% of the people playing to have the extreme desire for collecting every possible thing to purchase crates for the gems for the mount. Just 4%. Anyone outside that 4% is extra.

5_RAGEsMW

Something Something called anchor.... As long as people keep buying zos will push the limits or "anchor" and until they see it is no longer making money they will pull it back.

FluffWit

Look if suckers are prepared to waste their money on so many crown gems that they end up with enough to buy this crappy horse armor.... I just don't care. Charge them a grand if you want.

As long as it doesn't effect the balance of competitive game play I'm fine with them getting fleeced.

six2fall

Typical shady *** you should expect from games with mtx these days. Unfortunately zos decided to go even further into scummy when they introduced gems & tied them to exchanging items from crates. Crowns (& all other mtx) are a blight on gaming but at least crowns have a set $ value that can be further improved via crown sales & or sales in the crown store but they are gambling which means that value is generally suspect & dependent on a person by person case. Gems however are completely rng ontop of the gambling mechanics making their value most of the time a fraction of a crown. The fact the it's fairly common to get something like 10 whole gems from a 400 crown crate makes the fact that they increased the cost of these reskinned mount even more absurd than they already were.

Odds are these new prices are to make the new endeavors look more appealing than they really are & honestly even knowing endeavors are going to be a horrible grind that takes way longer to get simpler mounts the fact that they will be free makes them much more attractive option than anything that involves the crown store.

Brrrofski

It honestly amazes me how people continue to defend things like this in games. Simping for some board room execs to get a bigger wage then last year.... In what other walk of life would you be ok with crazy prices getting higher and you having to spend crazy money to get what you want? And then go and defend that to your friends?

"Yeh, I had to buy loads of random boxes to get the shows I wanted, but I got them after £400".
"Oh, that sucks, I guess you'll never go to that shop again then?"
"Well actually, they have this coat where I have to spend £600 and hopefully I'll get it. It looks really nice though"

Firstly, how on earth can you justify the price of an in-game item that took one person very little time to design? Think what you can buy in real life for that money and the effort that would go in to it.

Secondly, people almost seem to wear these like badges of "I can afford it". When for a lot of players it's not about not being able to afford them, they just don't want to get so clearly ripped off.

The whole crown crate thing is anti consumer and consumers seem to support it, basically support something designed to exploit them for money.

Crown crates and crown gem exclusive things need to go. And the only way to do that is for people realising they're been taken advantage of and boycott them.

This game needs to be bought (I know it's on game pass too), has DLC costs (I know some come with ESO+, but chapters need to be bought while they're relevant), a subscription price (which makes the game awful to play without it), a cash shop, loot crates and a system where you actively WANT DUPLICATES in the loot crates. That is actually insane.

Crown gems will be earnable in game soon, but look at how the prices have shot up. Also, there's a reason they're doing it. Maybe because some regulation has come in. For me, I think it's a way to ease you in. You've spent 6 month earning 300 gems, and then a mount you REALLY want comes out, but only for 6 days. A lot of people will then try to get the gems through crates. Don't be surprised if we start seeing a crown gem exclusive pop up more often than we do now.

And I hear a lot of people say "well, I want to support the game". If you think that money goes back into the game, you're on another planet. Just look at performance - it is getting worse and worse every patch. This goes towards someone's bonus plain and simple. Probably some guy that doesn't even know what the game is called.

And to be clear, it's not just this game. Everyone is at it. Every game you play now has shortcuts, boosts, lootboxes and cash shop with cosmetic items. It's like they give you half a game at release and then drop feed you the rest of it over the next few years, for £25 per drip. The gaming industry is in a horrible state of staleness and money grabbing.

And yeh, I am a bit of a hypocrite. I still play this game and buy ESO+ which supports ZOS. But if you do anything other than 3 quests a week, the game is pretty awful to play without it. I will never, ever buy crown crates again though. Not even with gold from others players. It's the same result.

joerginger

Brrrofski wrote: »

Crown gems will be earnable in game soon, but look at how the prices have shot up. Also, there's a reason they're doing it. Maybe because some regulation has come in. For me, I think it's a way to ease you in. You've spent 6 month earning 300 gems, and then a mount you REALLY want comes out, but only for 6 days. A lot of people will then try to get the gems through crates. Don't be surprised if we start seeing a crown gem exclusive pop up more often than we do now.

While I agree with most of what you said and while you're definitely not the first person to write this, it might be important to stress that we will not be able to earn crown gems, we'll get seals that can then be used to buy crown gem items. So far it hasn't even been said what the ratio will be, but it's been said that it will not be possible to combine gems and seals.

coop500

Sadly I've seen a few people running around with this and the Spriggin polymorph, it's selling so ZOS will probably keep doing it.