ESO vs the rest

Sylvermynx

Well.... for me, I don't want to play a space game - none of them appeal, including the "stealthed" Starfield. I'm seriously invested into TES (as I've played every game since Arena released in 1994 - for tens of thousands of hours over the lifetime of the franchise).

It's not actually likely that I'll be able to play TES VI if it's ever released - I'm not young (73) and while I'm in good health (no covid here thank the goddesses!), still there are issues I will have to deal with considering that TES VI may not land earlier than 2030. Will I be alive then? Most likely - my ancestors have for the most part been over 100 before they died.

There are other issues I'm not willing to go into. I'm just saying that ESO is likely the last TES game I'm going to be able to play. Sad, but then.... I've had a VERY long run. And I have fully enjoyed every second of it.

JinMori

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Wow at it-s worst is still better than eso now.

Eso had a chance to become really good, it didn't take it.

At the end of the day it's just a mediocre mmo, right now.

I don't know it really depends on where you are at with each game. If you find running the same world quest over and over and over being gated with 2 levels of your covenant each week and then spend 6 hours in a raid to not get a single piece of gear and then the vault gives you a measly 200 piece waist that is only a fraction better than your 197 covenant piece fun than you might be right.

Personally I don't find that fun at all.

Anyway, looking at things right now, wow is way better, at least there they try, and they have more and better content overall, which is more than what can be said here.

Anyway, can't say i am surprised that zos devs took the easy way ot here, looking at their track record.

WoW devs try? First most of the seasoned devs have all left Blizzard. Second how is borrowed power trying. Here spend 2 years building up this great power item and overnight its worthless.

Here just do a bunch of the same boring world events over and over.

Oh lets give you a 10 minute flight path to get from area to area.

Oh we are aware we don't have much content so lets gate everything behind weekly walls. You could grind your covenant in a few days but we are going to gate that cause we don't have a lot of content for you.

Oh you guys like gear well lets greatly reduce gear in every aspect of the game, raids, dungeons, world drops all reduced and extremely hard to come by.

We are going to destroy crafting, its pointless and worthless. We will slowly remove things like archelogy and fishing and make other crafting gated behind more walls, again we just don't have alot of content.

I will never understand why people who hate a video game spend so much time on that games forums. You do know wow has its own forum right? Trust me everything I have said is repeated over there.

Wow devs made mythic + in legion, wow raids are far, FAR better than what we have in eso, wow devs at least try to improve combat, wow devs at least don't disregard performance, i could go on and on.

Yes eso is low tier at the moment, and frankly i care nothing for fanboysm, looking at it from objective measures wow IS BETTER THAN ESO.

Also, wtf does this mean? "how is borrowed power trying" I don't know, is cp trying? It's borrowed power, that phrase without context means nothing, i can say for sure that at least artifacts were far better than eso cps, and other borrowed power systems are generally better because at least they balance with that in mind, they don't just do stuff willie nillie.

I am talking as someone who really likes the elder scrolls, and at the moment, i with eso was never made, because it's a stain on the tes history.

In this game there is 0 strive to make things better, there are only new patches with new content paired with some marketing bs, but no real improvements about the state of the game, and the recent cp changes have made it extremely clear, i am completely disillusioned.

ESO has its strengths and flaws, but really any arguments you put forth aren't objective at all, those are just your opinion so stop saying all those like is absolute truth. Fanboysm? You are the only one here fanboying WOW lol. If ESO is as bad as you said, no one would be playing right now and everyone would be playing your wow instead.

Oh I guess you are just coming to the eso forum to prove to all of us how stupidly blinded we are to keep enjoying this mmo which is apparently a stain in tes history, because you know, since you dislike this game it must be a horrible game for everyone else. Well clearly this game is 'objectively' horrible and clearly all those who claimed to made the switch from wow to eso are fakes hired by eso to say so.

Ad a matter of fact wow is still far more plaid than ESO, so am i being the fanboy, or you guys don't see reality? If we are gonna make that argument you already failed, also, your example is extremely flawed, and i can prove it, let's take for example amazon, does everyone buy at amazon? No, so what does that tell you about the argument you made? It tells me that it's flawed, because no one every does one thing only because it's better.

The fact is that ESO is going down the drain you could stay here and make all the arguments, but honestly, it would be for nothing, you guys called me fanboy, i think that's projection, you are incapable of actually comparing the games, so when someone does it, you think that's fanboying, and i am gonna tell you exactly why it isn't, what is a fanboy, it's someone that always defends a company regardless of what they do, let's say for example, amd vs intel, it would not be wrong to say that at the moment amd is better for pretty much everything, is that fanboyism? See, this is why you are wrong, is it wrong to say that wow has better performance and more content in general compared to eso, with much bigger and far more involved raid mechanics? is it subjective? No, so you are wrong.

Someone made a point about borrowed power, what do you think the CP system is? The problem is not borrowed power, the problem is how the devs design a system.

So who is fanboying here? Me, or you are just projecting? I always said that eso has a lot of potential, that's not something you hear from a wow fanboy.

Jaxious79

JinMori wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Wow at it-s worst is still better than eso now.

Eso had a chance to become really good, it didn't take it.

At the end of the day it's just a mediocre mmo, right now.

I don't know it really depends on where you are at with each game. If you find running the same world quest over and over and over being gated with 2 levels of your covenant each week and then spend 6 hours in a raid to not get a single piece of gear and then the vault gives you a measly 200 piece waist that is only a fraction better than your 197 covenant piece fun than you might be right.

Personally I don't find that fun at all.

Anyway, looking at things right now, wow is way better, at least there they try, and they have more and better content overall, which is more than what can be said here.

Anyway, can't say i am surprised that zos devs took the easy way ot here, looking at their track record.

WoW devs try? First most of the seasoned devs have all left Blizzard. Second how is borrowed power trying. Here spend 2 years building up this great power item and overnight its worthless.

Here just do a bunch of the same boring world events over and over.

Oh lets give you a 10 minute flight path to get from area to area.

Oh we are aware we don't have much content so lets gate everything behind weekly walls. You could grind your covenant in a few days but we are going to gate that cause we don't have a lot of content for you.

Oh you guys like gear well lets greatly reduce gear in every aspect of the game, raids, dungeons, world drops all reduced and extremely hard to come by.

We are going to destroy crafting, its pointless and worthless. We will slowly remove things like archelogy and fishing and make other crafting gated behind more walls, again we just don't have alot of content.

I will never understand why people who hate a video game spend so much time on that games forums. You do know wow has its own forum right? Trust me everything I have said is repeated over there.

Wow devs made mythic + in legion, wow raids are far, FAR better than what we have in eso, wow devs at least try to improve combat, wow devs at least don't disregard performance, i could go on and on.

Yes eso is low tier at the moment, and frankly i care nothing for fanboysm, looking at it from objective measures wow IS BETTER THAN ESO.

Also, wtf does this mean? "how is borrowed power trying" I don't know, is cp trying? It's borrowed power, that phrase without context means nothing, i can say for sure that at least artifacts were far better than eso cps, and other borrowed power systems are generally better because at least they balance with that in mind, they don't just do stuff willie nillie.

I am talking as someone who really likes the elder scrolls, and at the moment, i with eso was never made, because it's a stain on the tes history.

In this game there is 0 strive to make things better, there are only new patches with new content paired with some marketing bs, but no real improvements about the state of the game, and the recent cp changes have made it extremely clear, i am completely disillusioned.

ESO has its strengths and flaws, but really any arguments you put forth aren't objective at all, those are just your opinion so stop saying all those like is absolute truth. Fanboysm? You are the only one here fanboying WOW lol. If ESO is as bad as you said, no one would be playing right now and everyone would be playing your wow instead.

Oh I guess you are just coming to the eso forum to prove to all of us how stupidly blinded we are to keep enjoying this mmo which is apparently a stain in tes history, because you know, since you dislike this game it must be a horrible game for everyone else. Well clearly this game is 'objectively' horrible and clearly all those who claimed to made the switch from wow to eso are fakes hired by eso to say so.

Ad a matter of fact wow is still far more playd than ESO, so am i Being the fanboy, or you guys don't sede reality? The fact is that ESO is going down the drain se could stay here andò male alla the arguments, but honestly, it would be for nothing, you guys called me fanboy, i think that's projection, you are incapable of actuallt comparing the games, Like eso that's it. Someone mare a point about borrowed power, what do you think the CP system is? The problem is not borrowed power.

ESO is going down the drain? They had the highest population in 2020 since the launch on consoles. They release new content every year. ESO is NOT going anywhere enjoy the forums for several more years.

McDs sells the most hamburgers that doesnt mean they have the best hamburgers it just means more people have access to said hamburgers. More people have access to WoW because its a 14 year old game that you can play on a sub par system. I know a lot of people who play WoW only because they have so much time invested. I still play WoW because those people i play with are still over there.

CP system is not a borrowed system, its been in the game since launch.

I also described the current state of wow which you keep ignoring.

Boring world quest over and over and over.

Crafting systems gutted.

Everything is gated behind time gates due to lack of content.

Lack of gear

and more.

Great congrats you hate ESO and you plan to stick around in the forums of a VIDEO GAME you hate until it closes in several years. That is fantastic I hope you enjoy yourself.

Jeffrey530

JinMori wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Wow at it-s worst is still better than eso now.

Eso had a chance to become really good, it didn't take it.

At the end of the day it's just a mediocre mmo, right now.

I don't know it really depends on where you are at with each game. If you find running the same world quest over and over and over being gated with 2 levels of your covenant each week and then spend 6 hours in a raid to not get a single piece of gear and then the vault gives you a measly 200 piece waist that is only a fraction better than your 197 covenant piece fun than you might be right.

Personally I don't find that fun at all.

Anyway, looking at things right now, wow is way better, at least there they try, and they have more and better content overall, which is more than what can be said here.

Anyway, can't say i am surprised that zos devs took the easy way ot here, looking at their track record.

WoW devs try? First most of the seasoned devs have all left Blizzard. Second how is borrowed power trying. Here spend 2 years building up this great power item and overnight its worthless.

Here just do a bunch of the same boring world events over and over.

Oh lets give you a 10 minute flight path to get from area to area.

Oh we are aware we don't have much content so lets gate everything behind weekly walls. You could grind your covenant in a few days but we are going to gate that cause we don't have a lot of content for you.

Oh you guys like gear well lets greatly reduce gear in every aspect of the game, raids, dungeons, world drops all reduced and extremely hard to come by.

We are going to destroy crafting, its pointless and worthless. We will slowly remove things like archelogy and fishing and make other crafting gated behind more walls, again we just don't have alot of content.

I will never understand why people who hate a video game spend so much time on that games forums. You do know wow has its own forum right? Trust me everything I have said is repeated over there.

Wow devs made mythic + in legion, wow raids are far, FAR better than what we have in eso, wow devs at least try to improve combat, wow devs at least don't disregard performance, i could go on and on.

Yes eso is low tier at the moment, and frankly i care nothing for fanboysm, looking at it from objective measures wow IS BETTER THAN ESO.

Also, wtf does this mean? "how is borrowed power trying" I don't know, is cp trying? It's borrowed power, that phrase without context means nothing, i can say for sure that at least artifacts were far better than eso cps, and other borrowed power systems are generally better because at least they balance with that in mind, they don't just do stuff willie nillie.

I am talking as someone who really likes the elder scrolls, and at the moment, i with eso was never made, because it's a stain on the tes history.

In this game there is 0 strive to make things better, there are only new patches with new content paired with some marketing bs, but no real improvements about the state of the game, and the recent cp changes have made it extremely clear, i am completely disillusioned.

ESO has its strengths and flaws, but really any arguments you put forth aren't objective at all, those are just your opinion so stop saying all those like is absolute truth. Fanboysm? You are the only one here fanboying WOW lol. If ESO is as bad as you said, no one would be playing right now and everyone would be playing your wow instead.

Oh I guess you are just coming to the eso forum to prove to all of us how stupidly blinded we are to keep enjoying this mmo which is apparently a stain in tes history, because you know, since you dislike this game it must be a horrible game for everyone else. Well clearly this game is 'objectively' horrible and clearly all those who claimed to made the switch from wow to eso are fakes hired by eso to say so.

Ad a matter of fact wow is still far more plaid than ESO, so am i being the fanboy, or you guys don't see reality? If we are gonna make that argument you already failed, also, your example is extremely flawed, and i can prove it, let's take for example amazon, does everyone buy at amazon? No, so what does that tell you about the argument you made? It tells me that it's flawed, because no one every does one thing only because it's better.

The fact is that ESO is going down the drain you could stay here and make all the arguments, but honestly, it would be for nothing, you guys called me fanboy, i think that's projection, you are incapable of actually comparing the games, so when someone does it, you think that's fanboying, and i am gonna tell you exactly why it isn't, what is a fanboy, it's someone that always defends a company regardless of what they do, let's say for example, amd vs intel, it would not be wrong to say that at the moment amd is better for pretty much everything, is that fanboyism? See, this is why you are wrong, is it wrong to say that wow has better performance and more content in general compared to eso, with much bigger and far more involved raid mechanics? is it subjective? No, so you are wrong.

Someone made a point about borrowed power, what do you think the CP system is? The problem is not borrowed power, the problem is how the devs design a system.

So who is fanboying here? Me, or you are just projecting? I always said that eso has a lot of potential, that's not something you hear from a wow fanboy.

Oh have I ever said eso is better than wow? My point has always been both games have their own appeal really. You don't seem to get it. And people here are reacting to you saying eso is a 'stain in tes history' and 'low tier' and 'down the drain', which it isn't and is just an outright lie. Just because you dislike it or it being not what you expect it to be, doesn't mean something is bad.

Clearly you don't understand what objectivity means, look at the example someone given above, clearly mcdonalds is better than any gormet burger in terms of quality then because they sell more, lol, so objective, so correct, oh god we all who are still playing eso can't think for ourselves, if only we have tried wow we will never come back right.

edit: also btw I have seen people like you since 2014 on this forum, and all of them use the same argument and say the same thing about devs caring about nothing, the game will shut down soon as players will go back to wow other mmos etc etc while claiming they love tes. Oh hey eso is still alive and growing after 7 years, what an objective projection that this game is a stain in tes history.

Nightowl_74

I play FFXIV but ESO is my choice for solo play. Some changes have been made recently to make a bit more solo content but you still need to group up to experience the majority of what FFXIV has to offer. It's not a solo friendly game. I feel not only in that but in many areas the two are like comparing apples and oranges. Following are a few points I've noticed, though.

When things are broken they get fixed very quickly in comparison to ESO, which stands out a lot when it happens to be something you really enjoy that's inaccessible.

ESO very much outshines FFXIV in the area of player housing, in FFXIV it's extremely competitive and there are people who've been playing for years and still don't have a personal house. The furnishing limits are low and you're limited to a single house per account, not character. They are pretty, though, and the facades are customizable to a degree. FFXIV does have the equivalent of guild housing with various benefits for members. It utilizes the same system and housing pool.

I prefer the crafting and gathering system in FFXIV because there's a lot more depth to it. ESO is probably great for those who just want it done, for the purpose of utility. Sadly, not too long ago the FFXIV overlords did take away a decent chunk of what made it challenging to craft but to me it's still much more interesting than ESO's system. They're actual classes and each one has its own storyline and quests, gear sets, abilities, etc.

FFXIV has an excellent screenshot interface. You can pause the time and weather, choose from various special effects, lighting, stickers (I don't like those but some do), frames, and choose whether or not to show other players, npc's, and pets.

Questing gives ESO an edge for overland, but FFXIV has more in the way of games within the game to occupy time and the cash shop is smaller. People still complain about it but a much greater number of items are available to earn in the game than what you can purchase in the shop. It's a subscription only game, though, which is bound to be a drawback for some.

I love both game worlds but they're polar opposites with only a fantasy setting in common. You won't find anything nearly as grim as Coldharbor in FFXIV and I'd fear for any chocobos or moogles that found themselves in the Elder Scrolls universe.

JinMori

All right, you guys believe whatever you want, you can even redefine words for all i care.

Iv'e seen some really dishonest points, and iv'e had enough, not about to have discussions such as these.

You just wanna believe that this mmo is actually better than others, it isn't, most mmos are pretty bad, and eso is definitely not good either at the moment.

I am not here to farm likes and awesomes saying thiongs that people generally agree with, i am here to make a point, and eso is lacking.

By the way, provide some statictics to prove that eso is more successful than ever, because thatàs not what i found, i think you said that, but the actual statistics i have seen, and personal experience don't seem to agree with your point.

Some people will just defend thgeir beloved game to the last breath, but that's not me, i want to see actual facts that the devs are making an effort, and are actually improving things, not just pr, marketing and empty promises, and honestly, if you cannot see that, it's not my problem at this point, you think whatever you want.

By many objective measures, eso is not doing that well, it doesn't have a good image, which was improving since some time ago, but not anymore, eso was esepcially improving during the one tamriel updates, performance is still a problem, pve is getting boring and stale, the gameplay team hasn't really added anything good to the game, no new skil slots to use, no new interesting mechanics, systems are nerfed and that's it, this fatidical horizontal progression does not exist, it's just marketing talk, and honestly, horizontal progression isn't even what you want in a system like cp, that should have been vertical progression, which it stillò is, but it's weaker than before, so as i said, marketing talk, trials are average at best, dungeon are left in the dust for the most part, where exactly is eso doing well? Roleplaying?

Anyway, that's it, bye. You can defend this game to death for all i care, wow might not be good at the moment also, but trying to even compare eso to wow, as if they are even close to equals? Please don't make me laugh.

peacenote

I have played a bunch of MMOs (although not as many as some folks here) and the thing to keep in mind when comparing these games is that not everyone is looking for the same thing in a game.

Yes, features and functionality are important but for a lot of people it comes down to things like graphics, the community, what their friends are playing, and interest in the theme and whether it resonates. For these types of things, there isn't always a "better." It is just preference.

I have often wished I could make an MMO that incorporates all of the best concepts across the MMOs I have tried. But honestly in the end it's as much about a game world that appeals to a wide variety of players as it is about individual features. ESO is not perfect but has done a pretty good job putting in new game systems and expanding on top of an immersive, beautiful game world and that is why it is so successful. That said, it won't be for everyone.

Jeffrey530

JinMori wrote: »

All right, you guys believe whatever you want, you can even redefine words for all i care.

Iv'e seen some really dishonest points, and iv'e had enough, not about to have discussions such as these.

You just wanna believe that this mmo is actually better than others, it isn't, most mmos are pretty bad, and eso is definitely not good either at the moment.

I am not here to farm likes and awesomes saying thiongs that people generally agree with, i am here to make a point, and eso is lacking.

By the way, provide some statictics to prove that eso is more successful than ever, because thatàs not what i found, i think you said that, but the actual statistics i have seen, and personal experience don't seem to agree with your point.

Some people will just defend thgeir beloved game to the last breath, but that's not me, i want to see actual facts that the devs are making an effort, and are actually improving things, not just pr, marketing and empty promises, and honestly, if you cannot see that, it's not my problem at this point, you think whatever you want.

By many objective measures, eso is not doing that well, it doesn't have a good image, which was improving since some time ago, but not anymore, eso was esepcially improving during the one tamriel updates, performance is still a problem, pve is getting boring and stale, the gameplay team hasn't really added anything good to the game, no new skil slots to use, no new interesting mechanics, systems are nerfed and that's it, this fatidical horizontal progression does not exist, it's just marketing talk, and honestly, horizontal progression isn't even what you want in a system like cp, that should have been vertical progression, which it stillò is, but it's weaker than before, so as i said, marketing talk, trials are average at best, dungeon are left in the dust for the most part, where exactly is eso doing well? Roleplaying?

Anyway, that's it, bye. You can defend this game to death for all i care, wow might not be good at the moment also, but trying to even compare eso to wow, as if they are even close to equals? Please don't make me laugh.

Bye. The fact that you say people farm likes and awesomes on a forum shows how childish you are, who even ever think people have the intention to do that lol. No one is defending the game, the majority of people are saying what you said about eso is harsh, and the way you idolises wow is just laughable. It must be a perfect game then with such perfect devs, perfect game play, oh wait, then why some people make the switch from wow to eso? or why some do it the other way round? because both mmos have their strengths and weaknesses, and it is down to everyone's preference.

Hurbster

I played a bit of Shadowlands and didn't get very far. Quite dull and you can tell why everything is gated. Looks good but imo retail WoW pales in comparison to Classic. Got to 60 and noped out of there when all the grind was apparent.

Anyway, back on topic. ESO is one of the best MMO's I have played. As soon as the silly Rapids decision is semi-reversed (I'll take what I can get) I'll probably come back. It's going to depend on the quality of Blackwood. IMO, Greymoor was a step down in both content and quality (again IMO). It could also do with being more alt-friendly.

I'm playing SWTOR at the moment after about a 5-year gap.Working on completing the class storylines. The class storylines are superb, some of the best in the business, but that does fall away once you hit Makeb, etc. It's also very alt-friendly. Datacrons are account-wide yay!

But I'm liking my evil alien James Bond that I'm currently playing.

Bottom line is, I like ESO but sometimes it seems the devs don't like the players very much.

ZOS_Volpe

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