please revert heals being group only in pvp (WE DID IT! its being rolled back!)

Thealteregoroman

renne wrote: »

I'd like to dedicate *checks notes* HEALING EVERYONE IN MY ALLIANCE and not just 11 other people to all the "it's not hard, jUsT jOiN/LeAd a gRoUp" and "lmao if ur solo how can you heal someone else?" commenters.

Im cry/screaming laughing at this lol...I needed this laugh thank you.

renne

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

renne wrote: »

I'd like to dedicate *checks notes* HEALING EVERYONE IN MY ALLIANCE and not just 11 other people to all the "it's not hard, jUsT jOiN/LeAd a gRoUp" and "lmao if ur solo how can you heal someone else?" commenters.

Im cry/screaming laughing at this lol...I needed this laugh thank you.

Raevyness

HEALERS UNITE!!! 🙌

We did it guys!! They've listened & are reverting the changes!!

Let us wash our hands of this mess & never speak of it again! 😂😂

Keep on healin' on 🙏

Rootmender_Inky

I'm so glad they reverted. I always loved going solo heal into PvP to help my alliance.
Now i can do it again!

Soulshine

Glad to hear this. Have been quite happy to go out to Cyrodill alone on any one of my four healers and just do my thing. Look at the map, find I seige, trot out there are get to it. Very fun. If I find a group great, but if not, also great. Good news

Vevvev

Hmmm... Now that the healing other people outside of the group is back I wonder what this means for everyone wearing the Pale Order Ring like myself. Wonder what kind of situations that'll cause because I already know the thing drives my one healer friend up the wall who loves seeing everyone at full HP. ((Blood Frenzy drives them crazy to! Hehehehe))

DreadDaedroth

Wheeeeen?

Agalloch

They will revert also the groups back to 24?

Sorry ...couldn't watch the streaming.

Wing

Agalloch wrote: »

They will revert also the groups back to 24?

Sorry ...couldn't watch the streaming.

i saw no mention of that getting rolled back.

Jaimeh

Praise the divines!

renne

Vevvev wrote: »

Hmmm... Now that the healing other people outside of the group is back I wonder what this means for everyone wearing the Pale Order Ring like myself. Wonder what kind of situations that'll cause because I already know the thing drives my one healer friend up the wall who loves seeing everyone at full HP. ((Blood Frenzy drives them crazy to! Hehehehe))

I mean... it just means what it meant before. If you're wearing it you don't get heals from other people, if you are wearing it you do. If you're wearing it and someone else can't heal you and you die, that's a you problem, not a them problem.

If you have numbers on, it's pretty easy to realise who you're absolutely wasting time and magicka focusing on for heals, tbqh.

Knockmaker

I sure hope to see continuation of the same unity with reverting the group size changes. That is also too big an issue to have let sleeping dogs lie mentality.

shadyjane62

Templar here. Used to like pvping. Now I don't. It seems that every change that happens worsens my experience here.Used to be able to heal anyone now I have to be in a group. Like I said I used to like pvp.

renne

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Templar here. Used to like pvping. Now I don't. It seems that every change that happens worsens my experience here.Used to be able to heal anyone now I have to be in a group. Like I said I used to like pvp.

They're reverting this change.

merevie

So now when your team has the scroll or hammer and you go to burst heal the random bowtard will get the heal instead and your teammate will be dead.

You will once again scream for magic balls as your magic efficiency drops like a stone as you accidentally heal random players instead. Better get out those regen glyphs...

When you go to kill a terrible enemy crown they will once again have far more than 4 healers keeping them alive and be unkillable on their boward build, 100m from the keep, milking the range siege shield bonus.

The enemy zerg of 80 pugs will never die even if they can't play as they spam regen constantly.

But you can play alone. Fabulous.

And NO ONE wants to go back to seeing teams of 20 people spamming purge, rapids and regen so the FOUR dps can crow about their kill count.

colossalvoids

So just when I wanted to get back to pvp after trial group disbanded and this happens... Sigh. Yet again my healing would go to some randoms and no one needing it would get it (including me when ungrouped).

Edit: some prioritization optional switch when?

renne

merevie wrote: »

So now when your team has the scroll or hammer and you go to burst heal the random bowtard will get the heal instead and your teammate will be dead.

You will once again scream for magic balls as your magic efficiency drops like a stone as you accidentally heal random players instead. Better get out those regen glyphs...

When you go to kill a terrible enemy crown they will once again have far more than 4 healers keeping them alive and be unkillable on their boward build, 100m from the keep, milking the range siege shield bonus.

The enemy zerg of 80 pugs will never die even if they can't play as they spam regen constantly.

But you can play alone. Fabulous.

Yep, it IS going to be fabulous! We get to be healers for our ENTIRE Alliance again! Instead of only 11 people! Including all the "random players" and "bOwtArDs"! We don't discriminate against people who need healing.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

How about:

If you're in a group, your heals target only group members.
If you're not in a group, your heals target anyone in range.

That would keep *some* of the good effects, and remove the bad effects.

LalMirchi

Healers rejoice!!! Love this

Jaraal

When does this go into effect? I sure hope we don't have to wait an entire PTS cycle.

Varana

I don't think they'll implement this prior to the next DLC, so you will have to wait until the PTS is over.
That's just guessing, though.

ExistingRug61

Jaraal wrote: »

When does this go into effect? I sure hope we don't have to wait an entire PTS cycle.

I think they said it would be part of the next test (removing procs) which is going to happen sometime in February. Which also means it isn’t necessarily permanent. Also not sure when this would mean it gets to consoles.

Although it wasn’t exactly clear from the way it was said so I could be misinterpreting. It was something like:
“We will be doing extra tests in Cyrodiil - disabling proc sets. This will happen in mid February. Oh and we are reverting the healing change too.”
So it sort of implied together, but then again, maybe not, and it might just happen with the update.

Ryath_Waylander

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

How about:

If you're in a group, your heals target only group members.
If you're not in a group, your heals target anyone in range.

That would keep *some* of the good effects, and remove the bad effects.

I'm chuffed that I'm no longer totalty useless if spamming LFG left me without a group. This would also be a change I could live with though. Interesting concept.

Ryath_Waylander

ol_BANK_lo wrote: »

I didn't realize they reverted this. That may explain why performance went in the crapper again.

Haha, nice try. It hasn't reverted yet. Sadly, you can't blame the healers until February.

ThePedge

The zerglings won

Pauwer

Thank you, THANK YOU

eso_lags

VaranisArano wrote: »

eso_lags wrote: »

congrats, just like he said they listened to the forum QQ. But now im 100% convinced they will never fix this. To say that 10 players spamming heals on a hundred players does the same to performance as a few players healing in their groups is just insane. Truly insane.

Well at least this will make people happy and hopefully it doesnt make things too much worse than they already are. Performance seemed better this patch, sure when in a pop locked campaign its gets unplayable, which is honestly something they should look into but dont, but over all I could actually pvp this patch after quitting for months because it was always unplayable. Ill be happy if the healing change wasnt the problem, and it doesnt make performance worse, at least then everyone wins. Thats the best case scenario.

Well, since ZOS said the group-only healing changes were implemented for behavioral reasons, not performance reasons, that part of it shouldn't be a big deal. I'd pull out the quote again, but it's been referenced several times already in this thread.

Obviously it was both, and either way its bad for the game. But if enough people complain enough they will change things. I did feel bad for healers, but it was a great change. But I didnt expect it to last long, especially with all the complaining. Why would zos want people to think for themselves by either joining groups or building to heal themselves instead of expected to get brainlessly healed in every fight. But what i did expect was for them to try something else instead of just reverting it all together. Sometimes I give zenimax way too much credit, they dont do small incremental changes over time. Only large drastic changes, and then reverting those changes back to normal instead of continued adjustments. Idk why i thought this one would be different.

VaranisArano

eso_lags wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

eso_lags wrote: »

congrats, just like he said they listened to the forum QQ. But now im 100% convinced they will never fix this. To say that 10 players spamming heals on a hundred players does the same to performance as a few players healing in their groups is just insane. Truly insane.

Well at least this will make people happy and hopefully it doesnt make things too much worse than they already are. Performance seemed better this patch, sure when in a pop locked campaign its gets unplayable, which is honestly something they should look into but dont, but over all I could actually pvp this patch after quitting for months because it was always unplayable. Ill be happy if the healing change wasnt the problem, and it doesnt make performance worse, at least then everyone wins. Thats the best case scenario.

Well, since ZOS said the group-only healing changes were implemented for behavioral reasons, not performance reasons, that part of it shouldn't be a big deal. I'd pull out the quote again, but it's been referenced several times already in this thread.

Obviously it was both, and either way its bad for the game. But if enough people complain enough they will change things. I did feel bad for healers, but it was a great change. But I didnt expect it to last long, especially with all the complaining. Why would zos want people to think for themselves by either joining groups or building to heal themselves instead of expected to get brainlessly healed in every fight. But what i did expect was for them to try something else instead of just reverting it all together. Sometimes I give zenimax way too much credit, they dont do small incremental changes over time. Only large drastic changes, and then reverting those changes back to normal instead of continued adjustments. Idk why i thought this one would be different.

Fine, I'll go get the quote. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/544305/details-for-aoe-testing-in-cyrodiil

"In reviewing the data for all the different tests, we did see some marked improvements in performance – on average, there was approximately a 25% reduction in the magnitude of server frame spikes and a slight reduction in the frequency of those spikes. While these improvements look good on a spreadsheet, they do not have a significant enough impact on improving the overall player experience. As a result, we will not be making any major changes at this time.

That said, there were a few elements from the various tests that we’ve decided to enable for both PC and console for the foreseeable future, as we liked the behavioral changes they brought. Starting on Monday, November 9 for consoles and November 16 for PC, we will be limiting group sizes in Cyrodiil to 12 players, and all ally-targeted abilities will only apply to those in your group."


But still people say: "Obviously, it was both"

No, that's not obvious to anyone who's not seeking to pin performance problems on healers when ZOS pretty clearly stated that none of the tested changes had a significant enough impact on the overall player experience.

You can complain about it because you don't like your opponents getting extra heals - that's fair. You can complain about it because you feel it makes healing unbalanced - that's a fair argument too. But complaining about it because Gina was obviously lying (twice now) that group only healing didn't have much if an impact on the overall player experience of performance is not doing any favors for your credibility.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

VaranisArano wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

renne wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

The lag is going to get worse, if it doesn’t, and I will be in there on and off-peak, I will be the first to say I was wrong. But I’m fairly certain that more AOE checks from players can only make things worse......!

They LITERALLY said it had no significant impact on performance as mentioned like 100 other times in this and many other threads and were doing it for behavioural reasons, but by all means, beat that same tired horse over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and etc.

Watch it again! She said it didn’t improve the overall player experience.... again. They are testing the game without procs, they have no idea what the main cause is. And you shouldn’t trust people that work in marketing!

I was willing to give this theory a modicum of credence when we still had group-only heals and you being correct only required Gina lying to the PVP community once.

We've now hit the point in which you say Gina is lying twice because Marketing, all the while the group-only heals are being reverted.

Sorry, but no.

Gina never lied to the community. They always said the changes were about behaviour rather than performance. They wanted to see if the behaviour change would then 'lead to' performance changes. They said they haven't (although i'd still like to see the numbers personally because I think there are other factors) so they will test without them.

Also lets not forget that this will just be a testing period not the end solution. They might bring group only healing back.

BoraxFlux

Wait, what? Grouped healing is being reverted?

I was starting to convert my healer for PvE... this is delightful news
I guess I missed the memo, where do they announce the change?