Give us a Barbershop, and Hide Shoulders options

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

You don't see how making something that someone paid a lot for suddenly become free, could annoy some people.?

I never once said to make any of this free. Ideally the barbershop would charge gold. And you keep overlooking the fact that a lot of players would then purchase the cosmetic pack when they find out how much they like being able to change their character's hair, so they could have unlimited free changes like you do now.

Maybe you are upset because you would have chosen to use a barbershop and would not have spent crowns for the cosmetic pack if you had known this would be available in the future. Well all I can say to that is Caveat Emptor - Let the Buyer Beware.

There is no guarantee in any exchange of goods or services... be it gaming, retail stores, hair salons, restaurants... that the price or terms won't change after your purchase. You could buy an expensive item and a month later it goes on sale for half price. That may upset you but it doesn't mean that everyone else now forfeits the right to purchase that item at the sale price.

Gold is free, and everyone knows it so let's cut that argument.. and if you can change that stuff for free, why would you buy packs.? You have no incentive to..

SilverBride

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

You don't see how making something that someone paid a lot for suddenly become free, could annoy some people.?

I never once said to make any of this free. Ideally the barbershop would charge gold. And you keep overlooking the fact that a lot of players would then purchase the cosmetic pack when they find out how much they like being able to change their character's hair, so they could have unlimited free changes like you do now.

Maybe you are upset because you would have chosen to use a barbershop and would not have spent crowns for the cosmetic pack if you had known this would be available in the future. Well all I can say to that is Caveat Emptor - Let the Buyer Beware.

There is no guarantee in any exchange of goods or services... be it gaming, retail stores, hair salons, restaurants... that the price or terms won't change after your purchase. You could buy an expensive item and a month later it goes on sale for half price. That may upset you but it doesn't mean that everyone else now forfeits the right to purchase that item at the sale price.

Gold is free, and everyone knows it so let's cut that argument.. and if you can change that stuff for free, why would you buy packs.? You have no incentive to..

The fact that some players regret spending crowns for the cosmetic packs doesn't mean that a barbershop isn't a good idea and shouldn't be implemented. We will never agree so let's just leave it at that.

SammyKhajit

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

You don't see how making something that someone paid a lot for suddenly become free, could annoy some people.?

I never once said to make any of this free. Ideally the barbershop would charge gold. And you keep overlooking the fact that a lot of players would then purchase the cosmetic pack when they find out how much they like being able to change their character's hair, so they could have unlimited free changes like you do now.

Maybe you are upset because you would have chosen to use a barbershop and would not have spent crowns for the cosmetic pack if you had known this would be available in the future. Well all I can say to that is Caveat Emptor - Let the Buyer Beware.

There is no guarantee in any exchange of goods or services... be it gaming, retail stores, hair salons, restaurants... that the price or terms won't change after your purchase. You could buy an expensive item and a month later it goes on sale for half price. That may upset you but it doesn't mean that everyone else now forfeits the right to purchase that item at the sale price.

Gold is free, and everyone knows it so let's cut that argument.. and if you can change that stuff for free, why would you buy packs.? You have no incentive to..

It takes time to earn gold. My time is valuable to me.

Rudrani

In gerenal this game seems designer for players who want to look like terrifying monsters and rotting vampires.

I would rather have a few options for the rainbows and butterflies etc. Like some skins that were beautiful, not horrible.

Daemons_Bane

SammyKhajit wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

You don't see how making something that someone paid a lot for suddenly become free, could annoy some people.?

I never once said to make any of this free. Ideally the barbershop would charge gold. And you keep overlooking the fact that a lot of players would then purchase the cosmetic pack when they find out how much they like being able to change their character's hair, so they could have unlimited free changes like you do now.

Maybe you are upset because you would have chosen to use a barbershop and would not have spent crowns for the cosmetic pack if you had known this would be available in the future. Well all I can say to that is Caveat Emptor - Let the Buyer Beware.

There is no guarantee in any exchange of goods or services... be it gaming, retail stores, hair salons, restaurants... that the price or terms won't change after your purchase. You could buy an expensive item and a month later it goes on sale for half price. That may upset you but it doesn't mean that everyone else now forfeits the right to purchase that item at the sale price.

Gold is free, and everyone knows it so let's cut that argument.. and if you can change that stuff for free, why would you buy packs.? You have no incentive to..

It takes time to earn gold. My time is valuable to me.

Ingame currency is still as free as it can be

Rudrani wrote: »

In gerenal this game seems designer for players who want to look like terrifying monsters and rotting vampires.

I would rather have a few options for the rainbows and butterflies etc. Like some skins that were beautiful, not horrible.

Not sure I would say it is designed for monsters and vampires per se, but they did tone down the palette a bit.. A lot of us like that tho, as it suits a medieval game just perfect

Spawniaq

Don’t know about barbershop but there must be an option to hide shoulder and other body pieces because there is that option for Head in the outfit stations

SilverBride

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Ingame currency is still as free as it can be

Ingame currency isn't free. You pay cash for the right to earn gold, and armor, and everything else you acquire while playing when you purchase the game and/or pay your subscription.

Also, you have to put in time to gain gold... it's not just handed over to you for nothing. "Remember that time is money." - Benjamin Franklin

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Ingame currency isn't free. You pay cash for the right to earn gold, and armor, and everything else you acquire while playing when you purchase the game and/or pay your subscription.

Also, you have to put in time to gain gold... it's not just handed over to you for nothing. "Remember that time is money." - Benjamin Franklin

Gold is as free as it will ever be, as it is a fiction currency.. and the "time is money" quote is kind of moot in this scenario

SilverBride

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Ingame currency isn't free. You pay cash for the right to earn gold, and armor, and everything else you acquire while playing when you purchase the game and/or pay your subscription.

Also, you have to put in time to gain gold... it's not just handed over to you for nothing. "Remember that time is money." - Benjamin Franklin

Gold is as free as it will ever be, as it is a fiction currency.. and the "time is money" quote is kind of moot in this scenario

Actually it's not. So let's put the "gold is free" aside because it doesn't really make any difference in what we are requesting anyway.

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Ingame currency isn't free. You pay cash for the right to earn gold, and armor, and everything else you acquire while playing when you purchase the game and/or pay your subscription.

Also, you have to put in time to gain gold... it's not just handed over to you for nothing. "Remember that time is money." - Benjamin Franklin

Gold is as free as it will ever be, as it is a fiction currency.. and the "time is money" quote is kind of moot in this scenario

Actually it's not. So let's put the "gold is free" aside because it doesn't really make any difference in what we are requesting anyway.

It really kinda matter when you want to replace crowns with gold, aka making it free

Araneae6537

I bought all the cosmetic packs and no, I would not be upset if an option was added so that players could change these things for gold (as with an in-game barbershop) as long as I do not lose the functionality that I paid for — being able to change my hairstyle for free at will.

What I would really like is a hair color pack, as I may have posted already. One of the problems with the appearance change, besides it being expensive, is there’s no period of testing the changes in-game before finalizing them and consuming the token. Sometimes I think I like a hair color but then see how it looks in the sun and perhaps it no longer looks so natural with my character’s skintone and then I wish that I could change it back.

Raideen

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Ingame currency isn't free. You pay cash for the right to earn gold, and armor, and everything else you acquire while playing when you purchase the game and/or pay your subscription.

Also, you have to put in time to gain gold... it's not just handed over to you for nothing. "Remember that time is money." - Benjamin Franklin

Gold is as free as it will ever be, as it is a fiction currency.. and the "time is money" quote is kind of moot in this scenario

Actually it's not. So let's put the "gold is free" aside because it doesn't really make any difference in what we are requesting anyway.

It really kinda matter when you want to replace crowns with gold, aka making it free

1. Gold is not free. It has to be worked for in game.
2. Suggestions have been made that not only ensures that the "barber shop" would be paid for with crowns, but it would also create MORE revenue than ZOS currently makes with cosmetic change tokens or whatever they are called.

Daemons_Bane

Raideen wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Ingame currency isn't free. You pay cash for the right to earn gold, and armor, and everything else you acquire while playing when you purchase the game and/or pay your subscription.

Also, you have to put in time to gain gold... it's not just handed over to you for nothing. "Remember that time is money." - Benjamin Franklin

Gold is as free as it will ever be, as it is a fiction currency.. and the "time is money" quote is kind of moot in this scenario

Actually it's not. So let's put the "gold is free" aside because it doesn't really make any difference in what we are requesting anyway.

It really kinda matter when you want to replace crowns with gold, aka making it free

1. Gold is not free. It has to be worked for in game.
2. Suggestions have been made that not only ensures that the "barber shop" would be paid for with crowns, but it would also create MORE revenue than ZOS currently makes with cosmetic change tokens or whatever they are called.

You can not convince me that it is not free, when it is a fiction currency in a fiction universe.. You don't work for it.. You play a game in your free time.. And the suggestion I comment against, is getting it for gold

Raideen

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Ingame currency isn't free. You pay cash for the right to earn gold, and armor, and everything else you acquire while playing when you purchase the game and/or pay your subscription.

Also, you have to put in time to gain gold... it's not just handed over to you for nothing. "Remember that time is money." - Benjamin Franklin

Gold is as free as it will ever be, as it is a fiction currency.. and the "time is money" quote is kind of moot in this scenario

Actually it's not. So let's put the "gold is free" aside because it doesn't really make any difference in what we are requesting anyway.

It really kinda matter when you want to replace crowns with gold, aka making it free

1. Gold is not free. It has to be worked for in game.
2. Suggestions have been made that not only ensures that the "barber shop" would be paid for with crowns, but it would also create MORE revenue than ZOS currently makes with cosmetic change tokens or whatever they are called.

You can not convince me that it is not free, when it is a fiction currency in a fiction universe.. You don't work for it.. You play a game in your free time.. And the suggestion I comment against, is getting it for gold

1. Just because someone is "playing" a game does not mean that the work being performed in game is "fun" or even desirable. In fact, there are entire industries who employ people to play games to farm to sell those goods for real life money. Is that gold free? No. Is the way the gold obtained any different than the average player. No. Gold is not free, not matter how many times you say it is.

2. And my suggestion was to sell a "barber shop" crafting station for crowns and that when a player uses the barbershop it charges gold. This makes ZOS their precious money on top of money on top of money AND it serves as a gold sink.

Hurbster

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Ingame currency isn't free. You pay cash for the right to earn gold, and armor, and everything else you acquire while playing when you purchase the game and/or pay your subscription.

Also, you have to put in time to gain gold... it's not just handed over to you for nothing. "Remember that time is money." - Benjamin Franklin

Gold is as free as it will ever be, as it is a fiction currency.. and the "time is money" quote is kind of moot in this scenario

Actually it's not. So let's put the "gold is free" aside because it doesn't really make any difference in what we are requesting anyway.

It really kinda matter when you want to replace crowns with gold, aka making it free

1. Gold is not free. It has to be worked for in game.
2. Suggestions have been made that not only ensures that the "barber shop" would be paid for with crowns, but it would also create MORE revenue than ZOS currently makes with cosmetic change tokens or whatever they are called.

You can not convince me that it is not free, when it is a fiction currency in a fiction universe.. You don't work for it.. You play a game in your free time.. And the suggestion I comment against, is getting it for gold

To quote another game (that has just made gender-swapping payable with in-game gold at the barbers).

"Time is money, friend".

Daemons_Bane

Raideen wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Ingame currency isn't free. You pay cash for the right to earn gold, and armor, and everything else you acquire while playing when you purchase the game and/or pay your subscription.

Also, you have to put in time to gain gold... it's not just handed over to you for nothing. "Remember that time is money." - Benjamin Franklin

Gold is as free as it will ever be, as it is a fiction currency.. and the "time is money" quote is kind of moot in this scenario

Actually it's not. So let's put the "gold is free" aside because it doesn't really make any difference in what we are requesting anyway.

It really kinda matter when you want to replace crowns with gold, aka making it free

1. Gold is not free. It has to be worked for in game.
2. Suggestions have been made that not only ensures that the "barber shop" would be paid for with crowns, but it would also create MORE revenue than ZOS currently makes with cosmetic change tokens or whatever they are called.

You can not convince me that it is not free, when it is a fiction currency in a fiction universe.. You don't work for it.. You play a game in your free time.. And the suggestion I comment against, is getting it for gold

1. Just because someone is "playing" a game does not mean that the work being performed in game is "fun" or even desirable. In fact, there are entire industries who employ people to play games to farm to sell those goods for real life money. Is that gold free? No. Is the way the gold obtained any different than the average player. No. Gold is not free, not matter how many times you say it is.

2. And my suggestion was to sell a "barber shop" crafting station for crowns and that when a player uses the barbershop it charges gold. This makes ZOS their precious money on top of money on top of money AND it serves as a gold sink.

Yes, that gold is still free, since you still made it in a video game.. Srry, you are not gonna move me on this.. And your suggestion on a crown item barbershop chair is not the one that I have been commenting on

Hurbster wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Ingame currency isn't free. You pay cash for the right to earn gold, and armor, and everything else you acquire while playing when you purchase the game and/or pay your subscription.

Also, you have to put in time to gain gold... it's not just handed over to you for nothing. "Remember that time is money." - Benjamin Franklin

Gold is as free as it will ever be, as it is a fiction currency.. and the "time is money" quote is kind of moot in this scenario

Actually it's not. So let's put the "gold is free" aside because it doesn't really make any difference in what we are requesting anyway.

It really kinda matter when you want to replace crowns with gold, aka making it free

1. Gold is not free. It has to be worked for in game.
2. Suggestions have been made that not only ensures that the "barber shop" would be paid for with crowns, but it would also create MORE revenue than ZOS currently makes with cosmetic change tokens or whatever they are called.

You can not convince me that it is not free, when it is a fiction currency in a fiction universe.. You don't work for it.. You play a game in your free time.. And the suggestion I comment against, is getting it for gold

To quote another game (that has just made gender-swapping payable with in-game gold at the barbers).

"Time is money, friend".

To quote myself, "Nope"

SilverBride

In an effort to get this thread back on topic, and to update with additional information that has come to light throughout the discussion, I will summarize below:

Barbershop

• I would like to see a barbershop added that players can use to change their hair styles and colors using ingame gold.
• It has been suggested that there be a Barbershop station added that players can purchase with crowns to accomplish this, and this station would charge ingame gold per use.
• The current style shops would still be valid, and any player could purchase them for the convenience of having unlimited free hair style changes, as it is now.
• The barbershop would only include the basic styles. Specialty styles would still need to be purchased through the crown store.

Hide Shoulders and other Armor options

• I would like the option to hide shoulders, and other armor pieces.
• Since we can currently hide helm, the code to accomplish this already exists.

There are many benefits to these suggestions. Allowing additional customization will increase customer satisfaction. Happy customers stay longer, bring new players to the game, and are more likely to subscribe and purchase additional items and services with crowns.

Araneae6537

SilverBride wrote: »

In an effort to get this thread back on topic, and to update with additional information that has come to light throughout the discussion, I will summarize below:

Barbershop

• I would like to see a barbershop added that players can use to change their hair styles and colors using ingame gold.
• It has been suggested that there be a Barbershop station added that players can purchase with crowns to accomplish this, and this station would charge ingame gold per use.
• The current style shops would still be valid, and any player could purchase them for the convenience of having unlimited free hair style changes, as it is now.
• The barbershop would only include the basic styles. Specialty styles would still need to be purchased through the crown store.

Hide Shoulders and other Armor options

• I would like the option to hide shoulders, and other armor pieces.
• Since we can currently hide helm, the code to accomplish this already exists.

There are many benefits to these suggestions. Allowing additional customization will increase customer satisfaction. Happy customers stay longer, bring new players to the game, and are more likely to subscribe and purchase additional items and services with crowns.

Why would anyone purchase a barbershop with Crowns to pay gold to change between basic styles??? Unless it was a form of housing for RP and such... Otherwise, why wouldn’t you buy the packs that exist now? I thought the point of a barbershop would be it’s being available to players who haven’t bought the packs so they could at least change between basic styles for a fee in gold. Have I misunderstood?

Regarding hiding shoulder and other armor pieces — yes, please, absolutely!!!

SilverBride

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Why would anyone purchase a barbershop with Crowns to pay gold to change between basic styles??? Unless it was a form of housing for RP and such... Otherwise, why wouldn’t you buy the packs that exist now? I thought the point of a barbershop would be it’s being available to players who haven’t bought the packs so they could at least change between basic styles for a fee in gold. Have I misunderstood?

Regarding hiding shoulder and other armor pieces — yes, please, absolutely!!!

The barbershop I suggested would be a station in town. Another player suggested you could purchase one for your home like you can with the other crafting stations, and suggested it would still cost gold.

The barbershop I suggested would also have hair color, which you cannot get with the cosmetic packs. You currently have to spend 1000 crowns for a complete appearance change that you can only use once just to change your hair color. That is a ridiculous fee, and hair color should be part of the cosmetic hair style packs in the first place.

Players who would only infrequently change their hair style or color would benefit from the barbershop rather than spending crowns for a pack they would rarely use.

oriondean

I agree, I am still waiting for a hide tassets option. haven't subbed to the game since I committed I won't sub till I get to hide my tassets I also have not bought anything from the crown store since I committed I won't buy anything til I can hide my tassets.

FlopsyPrince

I just want to shave the beard I didn't want in the first place.

I created my first character (male Nord) years ago (before actively playing) on a "free weekend" and didn't see an option with no facial hair at the time.

I am not going to pay 1000 Crowns (or whatever) just to shave it, though I would like it gone.

AvalonRanger

In the Fallout4. You can put the barber worker at your settlement so easily.(^_^);

jahaposada

Hide shoulders is a no brainer. Just do it already. I might do something other than wear costumes.