Give us a Barbershop, and Hide Shoulders options

SilverBride

I know these things have been requested before, and I'm sure they will be requested again, because this game is greatly lacking in customization options for our characters. I am not going to pay 1000 crowns to get the Cosmetic Pack: Hair Styles when it restricts you to which styles you can choose and doesn't allow a color change. And I'm certainly not going to spend 1000 crowns for an Appearance Change Token to use once, just to change my hair color.

And shoulders and those tassets and things hanging way down over our crotches are hideous, and we should be able to toggle them off. Or at the very least make a duplicate of the same style with those removed, so we can choose how we want to look.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want our characters to look good. And we shouldn't have to spend and arm and a leg for what minimal changes you currently allow.

UGotBenched91

These changes would really increase my enjoyment of this game. I can see one day they might remove shoulders but sadly no barbershop because then they won’t be able to sell in crown store. Being able to change ones skin tone, height, voice, hair without forking over $15+ would be great.

And whose going to miss the floating shoulder pads?

Odovacar

A BIG yes to a barber shop! Having the ability to change hair colors/styles would be amazing. I'm sure ZOS could find a way to make it a paid upgrade so it wouldn't stifle their appearance change token (and it would just be hair not face, body, etc). Make it happen ZOS!

Starlock

We won't get a barber shop, unfortunately. We won't get a barber shop because this game prioritizes monetization and the decision was already made to monetize this. There's no precedent for this company backing away from over-monetization and plenty of precedents for the converse. In other words, since cash shop hair styles and appearance change tokens already exist, we will never see them removed and we will never see a barber shop or a face sculptor in the game.

There is a small, small hope that with the Microsoft acquisition this game will be forced to adopt a more pro-customer philosophy in terms of game development, but I wouldn't hold your breath on it. As it stands, the best thing you can do is go play a different game where basic things like changing your character's appearance isn't charged for.

Sarousse

and hide Tabard.

validifyedneb18_ESO

As someone who paid for the default haitstyles pack, id be happy for this IAP to be rendered a waste by them being made free for all users.

Additional crownstore hairstyles can be unlocked in the barbershop once purchased.

Main thing we need is just any way to change hair colors, but another benefit would be allowing for other character changes.
Ive deleted so many capped or high level characters just because I dont like their style, and its usually tiny things like wanting to change the eye color or height.

Megatto

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

These changes would really increase my enjoyment of this game. I can see one day they might remove shoulders but sadly no barbershop because then they won’t be able to sell in crown store. Being able to change ones skin tone, height, voice, hair without forking over $15+ would be great.

And whose going to miss the floating shoulder pads?

Soooo true dude! But don't let ZoS catch you saying this otherwise you'll get banned for "corporate bashing"

I think we were originally going to have a salon that would let us do this, much like the barbershops in WoW. But of course, what's more important - Making phat stacks of moolah or improving the player experience?

Khajiitihaswares

This x100 but as other said Zenimax has taken EA approach to this game and want to monotize every aspect as they can. Barber shop would kill appearance change tokens which would take income from them. I would be very surprised if they added one. I wish they would too :d.

validifyedneb18_ESO

hide sholders should be trivial to add. Just another costume system "hidden" style. Hide tabbard too (so you can rep your guild even if the tabbard disagrees with your transmog).

I dont know why they are so determined to not allow this, seems crazy to me.

Hiding individual elements is easy as *** - hiding leg flaps on chest items is much much harder depending on how they are set up, but whole discrete items are not like that.

ListerJMC

Whenever I make an outfit it takes me so long to pick shoulders - a lot of them are far too big and have floating/clipping issues!

I would guess that adding that at least (free for players like hide helmet) wouldn't be too difficult? I'm surprised it hasn't been added already.

Mythreindeer

Honestly the relatively enormous cost of an appearance change token is a real slap in the face given how many games offer this for in-game gold. It’s a philosophical failing for a game you have to pay for and not even being included in ESO +

idk

At this point, Zos is unlikely to give us a barbershop as they have already sold us cosmetic packages.

What I would have preferred to see instead of the current design is the appearance change be per change up to the 1k crown cost of a full appearance change. Want to change one's hairstyle, X crowns, Want to change the hair color, X crowns. Want to add a scar, X crowns. The cost would be capped at 1k crowns and at that point we could change anything but race without increasing the cost further.

Personally, I think there is a chance Zos would have made more money this way. It is easier to swallow spending 100 or 200 crowns than 1k. As such some players might have made changes more often not realizing the total cost they would have incurred.

As it is, we can change hair, adornments, and body markings that we have purchased without any additional costs. It is hair color, scars and the such we are missing. Maybe Zos will make these packages available soon.

SilverBride

Megatto wrote: »

I think we were originally going to have a salon that would let us do this, much like the barbershops in WoW. But of course, what's more important - Making phat stacks of moolah or improving the player experience?

Any good businessman knows that improving the customer experience keeps customers longer and attracts new customers. Customers who are likely to pay for subscriptions, purchase crowns and otherwise generate more phat stacks of moolah for the company.

Sengra

I don't even know why this wasn't included in the ESO+ package, when every subscription game I know lets you do this for ingame currency.

Daemons_Bane

Barbershop I'm fine with, but appearance change should stay as tokens, and honestly 1k is fine.. it makes them affordable, without us having people change their look every week

Megatto

SilverBride wrote: »

Megatto wrote: »

I think we were originally going to have a salon that would let us do this, much like the barbershops in WoW. But of course, what's more important - Making phat stacks of moolah or improving the player experience?

Any good businessman knows that improving the customer experience keeps customers longer and attracts new customers. Customers who are likely to pay for subscriptions, purchase crowns and otherwise generate more phat stacks of moolah for the company.

You might want to tell that to ZoS.

SilverBride

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Barbershop I'm fine with, but appearance change should stay as tokens, and honestly 1k is fine.. it makes them affordable, without us having people change their look every week

Why would it be bad if players changed their look every week? How would this negatively affect anything?

idk

Sengra wrote: »

I don't even know why this wasn't included in the ESO+ package, when every subscription game I know lets you do this for ingame currency.

This would make sense if Zos has not already started selling packages of cosmetics. Many of us have all three major cosmetic packages and many have bought specific styles as well. Companies tend to not refund significant sums of money when there is not a problem. That does not sit well with the boss. As such it is hard to undo that without telling your most loyal subscribers that they wasted their crowns.

Also, not every company that has a subscription makes such things free or available via in-game currency to its subscribers.

I am not arguing against the idea as I think it would have been great for us if Zos went this way to start with. I am just suggesting this will not happen now for very valid reasons.

SilverBride

idk wrote: »

This would make sense if Zos has not already started selling packages of cosmetics. Many of us have all three major cosmetic packages and many have bought specific styles as well. Companies tend to not refund significant sums of money when there is not a problem. That does not sit well with the boss. As such it is hard to undo that without telling your most loyal subscribers that they wasted their crowns.

ZoS wouldn't have to refund anything. That isn't how it works. Players purchase crowns all the time at full price. When they go on sale ZoS doesn't go back and give everyone who bought at full price a refund. Why would they have to refund players for these cosmetic packs just because things have now changed? Players may regret that they spent crowns on something that is now much cheaper, but that isn't a reason to hand out refunds.

Also, I'm a subscriber too, but I didn't buy these packs. No one is any more loyal because they did.

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Barbershop I'm fine with, but appearance change should stay as tokens, and honestly 1k is fine.. it makes them affordable, without us having people change their look every week

Why would it be bad if players changed their look every week? How would this negatively affect anything?

That's just how I feel, and have always felt.. annoying to look at, makes no sense.. going from a 4.5 foot character to a 7 foot overnight.? No thank you.. respect your character, take the time needed to make it right

Synthwavius

While we're at it make the sounds in the character editor play the relevant sounds of driving a mount or taking a damage. I've to either go on the PTS to make a new character to preview the sounds in actual gameplay or suffer a big earrape on live

SilverBride

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Barbershop I'm fine with, but appearance change should stay as tokens, and honestly 1k is fine.. it makes them affordable, without us having people change their look every week

Why would it be bad if players changed their look every week? How would this negatively affect anything?

That's just how I feel, and have always felt.. annoying to look at, makes no sense.. going from a 4.5 foot character to a 7 foot overnight.? No thank you.. respect your character, take the time needed to make it right

Unless you know absolutely everyone who plays and what all their characters look like, you won't even notice if someone changed their look. Players change their outfits all the time already. Why would this be any worse?

Araneae6537

On the one hand, I would really like it if I could make fewer/minimal changes for a reduced cost (GW2 has a cheaper hair change token in addition to full appearance and in SWTOR, changes in character appearance were per option changed and whether it was a change to a basic or premium option) but on the other hand, I do really like that getting the hairstyle packs and others lets me make some of these changes for FREE (after purchase of the pack, of course) and as many times as I want! I do like to occasionally change up hairstyle, adornments, etc. I really wish there was also a hair COLOR pack so I could change that at will and have all colors available for all races — you can’t argue that goes against lore when there are Altmer NPCs with black hair, for instance, never mind the crazy flashy glowy mounts and skins available!

Totally agree on Hide Shoulders and there is no conceivable reason for this not to have been implemented already!

xaraan

I don't see a barber shop happening, though it would be nice. They get crowns from that and many already have all the hairstyles from basic stuff unlocked. But it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see a feature like that added.

The hide shoulders thing however, idk. Fine if they do it, but if they just added a few more options to shoulders it would fix it just the same. Like adding a shoulder band part of an armor set like you'd picture on a barbarian or whatever that would either be covered over by bulky armor and hidden or blend in or just look like simple bands on naked from waste up looks like the sai sahan jack.

So that's what bugs me: it wouldn't even take a lot of work to fix - just a simple piece of armor added to game and not a whole system created for hiding shoulders. And bam, problem gone. But no, still a problem after all these years of people pointing out the problem.

idk

SilverBride wrote: »

idk wrote: »

This would make sense if Zos has not already started selling packages of cosmetics. Many of us have all three major cosmetic packages and many have bought specific styles as well. Companies tend to not refund significant sums of money when there is not a problem. That does not sit well with the boss. As such it is hard to undo that without telling your most loyal subscribers that they wasted their crowns.

ZoS wouldn't have to refund anything. That isn't how it works. Players purchase crowns all the time at full price. When they go on sale ZoS doesn't go back and give everyone who bought at full price a refund. Why would they have to refund players for these cosmetic packs just because things have now changed? Players may regret that they spent crowns on something that is now much cheaper, but that isn't a reason to hand out refunds.

Also, I'm a subscriber too, but I didn't buy these packs. No one is any more loyal because they did.

It is probably easy for someone who did not buy these packs to compare giving all this away for free to a mere sale. I doubt Zos is going to tell players who subscribe and have purchased these items that they care so little for their patronage to the crown store that they are giving everyone else access to these items for free.

That is not the way successful businesses treat their customers. I am fairly certain Zos is wise enough to see that reality.

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Barbershop I'm fine with, but appearance change should stay as tokens, and honestly 1k is fine.. it makes them affordable, without us having people change their look every week

Why would it be bad if players changed their look every week? How would this negatively affect anything?

That's just how I feel, and have always felt.. annoying to look at, makes no sense.. going from a 4.5 foot character to a 7 foot overnight.? No thank you.. respect your character, take the time needed to make it right

Unless you know absolutely everyone who plays and what all their characters look like, you won't even notice if someone changed their look. Players change their outfits all the time already. Why would this be any worse?

I know enough for it to be annoying.. and really, are you comparing a change of clothes to growing 3 feet all of a sudden.? Not even gonna tell you how much of a difference there is to that

SilverBride

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Barbershop I'm fine with, but appearance change should stay as tokens, and honestly 1k is fine.. it makes them affordable, without us having people change their look every week

Why would it be bad if players changed their look every week? How would this negatively affect anything?

That's just how I feel, and have always felt.. annoying to look at, makes no sense.. going from a 4.5 foot character to a 7 foot overnight.? No thank you.. respect your character, take the time needed to make it right

Unless you know absolutely everyone who plays and what all their characters look like, you won't even notice if someone changed their look. Players change their outfits all the time already. Why would this be any worse?

I know enough for it to be annoying.. and really, are you comparing a change of clothes to growing 3 feet all of a sudden.? Not even gonna tell you how much of a difference there is to that

I think you are greatly exaggerating how many posters would be dramatically changing their height. Besides, that wasn't what I was suggesting in the first place.

What I suggested was a barber shop to change hairstyles and colors, and hide shoulders, tassets and long dangly cod piece options.

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Barbershop I'm fine with, but appearance change should stay as tokens, and honestly 1k is fine.. it makes them affordable, without us having people change their look every week

Why would it be bad if players changed their look every week? How would this negatively affect anything?

That's just how I feel, and have always felt.. annoying to look at, makes no sense.. going from a 4.5 foot character to a 7 foot overnight.? No thank you.. respect your character, take the time needed to make it right

Unless you know absolutely everyone who plays and what all their characters look like, you won't even notice if someone changed their look. Players change their outfits all the time already. Why would this be any worse?

I know enough for it to be annoying.. and really, are you comparing a change of clothes to growing 3 feet all of a sudden.? Not even gonna tell you how much of a difference there is to that

I think you are greatly exaggerating how many posters would be dramatically changing their height. Besides, that wasn't what I was suggesting in the first place.

I may be, I might not.. judging from a lifetime of mmo gaming, I would not bet on it..

Sengra

idk wrote: »

Sengra wrote: »

I don't even know why this wasn't included in the ESO+ package, when every subscription game I know lets you do this for ingame currency.

This would make sense if Zos has not already started selling packages of cosmetics. Many of us have all three major cosmetic packages and many have bought specific styles as well. Companies tend to not refund significant sums of money when there is not a problem. That does not sit well with the boss. As such it is hard to undo that without telling your most loyal subscribers that they wasted their crowns.

Also, not every company that has a subscription makes such things free or available via in-game currency to its subscribers.

I am not arguing against the idea as I think it would have been great for us if Zos went this way to start with. I am just suggesting this will not happen now for very valid reasons.

Why would they have to refund anything? I was subscribed for almost the full first year after realease, and I don't know that it was possible to refund that sub fee afterwards (we were given crowns instead, you might argue, but still). Games change their monetization models all the time. And ZOS seems to have no problem charging people for things like werewolf/vampire bites out of fear of refunds (when players find out you can get them ingame for free).

Sengra

Sengra wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Sengra wrote: »

I don't even know why this wasn't included in the ESO+ package, when every subscription game I know lets you do this for ingame currency.

This would make sense if Zos has not already started selling packages of cosmetics. Many of us have all three major cosmetic packages and many have bought specific styles as well. Companies tend to not refund significant sums of money when there is not a problem. That does not sit well with the boss. As such it is hard to undo that without telling your most loyal subscribers that they wasted their crowns.

Also, not every company that has a subscription makes such things free or available via in-game currency to its subscribers.

I am not arguing against the idea as I think it would have been great for us if Zos went this way to start with. I am just suggesting this will not happen now for very valid reasons.

Why would they have to refund anything? I was subscribed for almost the full first year after realease, and I don't know that it was possible to refund that sub fee afterwards (we were given crowns instead, you might argue, but still). Games change their monetization models all the time. And ZOS seems to have no problem charging people for things like werewolf/vampire bites out of fear of refunds (when players find out you can get them ingame for free).

Edit: And I own the hair/body markings packages as well, and I don't care if they add them to the game for gold.

Raideen

ZOS should do the non greedy thing and make changing skin, hair color cost gold in game as part of a barbershop, ESPECIALLY if you are ESO+.

World of Warcraft has had a barbershop in game for 12+ years and only for the cost of gold. There is no reason for such a basic game quality of life/mechanic to NOT exist for gold.

Charging real life money on top of a retail box, on top of a sub, on top of 25 dollar mounts and hundred dollar homes is ridiculous.