Give us a Barbershop, and Hide Shoulders options

Faiza

ImmortalCX wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

Whenever I make an outfit it takes me so long to pick shoulders - a lot of them are far too big and have floating/clipping issues!

I would guess that adding that at least (free for players like hide helmet) wouldn't be too difficult? I'm surprised it hasn't been added already.

I forget the name, but there is a shoulder style that is a thin metal plate on the back of the arm. They are effectively invisible.

They are pretty expensive, like 400K for the motif. Maybe more.

is it the dwarven ones? or dark brotherhood?

Raideen

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

WoW doesn't sell hairstyles and other appearance cosmetics seperately though. Before they added the barber you had to buy an appearance change for the tiniest thing, like changing hair. In ESO you can change hair and other things willy nilly if you've them unlocked.

Did wow ask you to spend money for the first 4 years if you wanted to change your look? Yes. But for the past 12+ years Word of Warcraft has had a Barbershop and NOT charged real life money for character customization.

However here we are, 7 years into ESO and they ARE STILL expecting you to pay for cosmetic changes, that is almost 2x longer than WOW charged real life money. WOW took the high road and gave players an in game barbershop with no real life dollar requirement to change your characters look. Eso, has not.

idk wrote: »

Thank you for bringing this insight to the conversation.

Always happy to bring greater insight to the truth.

tomofhyrule

Faiza wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

Whenever I make an outfit it takes me so long to pick shoulders - a lot of them are far too big and have floating/clipping issues!

I would guess that adding that at least (free for players like hide helmet) wouldn't be too difficult? I'm surprised it hasn't been added already.

I forget the name, but there is a shoulder style that is a thin metal plate on the back of the arm. They are effectively invisible.

They are pretty expensive, like 400K for the motif. Maybe more.

is it the dwarven ones? or dark brotherhood?

It sounds like Honor Guard light, which is ridiculously expensive for this reason.

I think Tsaesci and Akaviri are also similar, but Tsaesci is Crown Store only and may or may not show up for a while, and Akaviri is not as subtle.

Faiza

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Faiza wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

Whenever I make an outfit it takes me so long to pick shoulders - a lot of them are far too big and have floating/clipping issues!

I would guess that adding that at least (free for players like hide helmet) wouldn't be too difficult? I'm surprised it hasn't been added already.

I forget the name, but there is a shoulder style that is a thin metal plate on the back of the arm. They are effectively invisible.

They are pretty expensive, like 400K for the motif. Maybe more.

is it the dwarven ones? or dark brotherhood?

It sounds like Honor Guard light, which is ridiculously expensive for this reason.

I think Tsaesci and Akaviri are also similar, but Tsaesci is Crown Store only and may or may not show up for a while, and Akaviri is not as subtle.

Ah, Blackrose Prison.

I see why they are expensive. I don't really like that style, though so it's alright. I like the shape of the dark brotherhood light and I feel like they're minimal enough.

SilverBride

Raideen wrote: »

Did wow ask you to spend money for the first 4 years if you wanted to change your look? Yes. But for the past 12+ years Word of Warcraft has had a Barbershop and NOT charged real life money for character customization.

ZoS could learn from this.

WoW went even further by adding skin tones and every other customization at the barber shop, and all just for in game gold. They also made it so you can hide everything but pants. Has it hurt them? No.

WoW even has style shows where you compete with others to quickly make themed outfits and vote on your favorites, with prizes for the top outfits. Style is a great player pleaser, and happy players are likely to subscribe and spend crowns on other items.

Iccotak

Raideen wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

WoW doesn't sell hairstyles and other appearance cosmetics seperately though. Before they added the barber you had to buy an appearance change for the tiniest thing, like changing hair. In ESO you can change hair and other things willy nilly if you've them unlocked.

Did wow ask you to spend money for the first 4 years if you wanted to change your look? Yes. But for the past 12+ years Word of Warcraft has had a Barbershop and NOT charged real life money for character customization.

However here we are, 7 years into ESO and they ARE STILL expecting you to pay for cosmetic changes, that is almost 2x longer than WOW charged real life money. WOW took the high road and gave players an in game barbershop with no real life dollar requirement to change your characters look. Eso, has not.

SilverBride wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

Did wow ask you to spend money for the first 4 years if you wanted to change your look? Yes. But for the past 12+ years Word of Warcraft has had a Barbershop and NOT charged real life money for character customization.

ZoS could learn from this.

WoW went even further by adding skin tones and every other customization at the barber shop, and all just for in game gold. They also made it so you can hide everything but pants. Has it hurt them? No.

WoW even has style shows where you compete with others to quickly make themed outfits and vote on your favorites, with prizes for the top outfits. Style is a great player pleaser, and happy players are likely to subscribe and spend crowns on other items.

WoW is a pure subscription based game. You pay-to-play.

ESO has optional subscription. As consequence they’re going to have to monetize things that would normally just come with playing a subscription game.

They could make it a service you could also buy with in-game gold but there is a good possibility they would increase the cost of gold to encourage crown store purchases.

And/Or they could include it as another feature of ESO+. Which would be fine with me.

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

As a long time player myself, I still say that it's fine that we can't just change appearances at a whim.. Hair styles/color for gold, sure.. Tats and stuff like that, ok.. Just not skin color, body construction and all that jazz

I'm not asking for full character customizations. I'm asking for a barber shop to change hair styles and colors. Right now the only way to change hair color is to spend 1000 crowns for a full appearance change that you can only use once. That's ridiculous.

I'm not always going after your original post, accept it but things like skin tone has been mentioned, so I comment about it.. you keep saying hair and hair color, I know.. I also 2-3 times said that I was fine with that

SilverBride

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

As a long time player myself, I still say that it's fine that we can't just change appearances at a whim.. Hair styles/color for gold, sure.. Tats and stuff like that, ok.. Just not skin color, body construction and all that jazz

I'm not asking for full character customizations. I'm asking for a barber shop to change hair styles and colors. Right now the only way to change hair color is to spend 1000 crowns for a full appearance change that you can only use once. That's ridiculous.

I'm not always going after your original post, accept it but things like skin tone has been mentioned, so I comment about it.. you keep saying hair and hair color, I know.. I also 2-3 times said that I was fine with that

And that's what this thread is about. That and hiding shoulders. It's not about making full appearance changes available at a barber shop for gold. I'm just trying to keep the conversation on topic.

Raideen

Iccotak wrote: »

WoW is a pure subscription based game. You pay-to-play.

No its not. You can purchase 30 day game tokens through the auction house with gold. You can play 100% for free, after the retail box purchase that is.

Iccotak wrote: »

ESO has optional subscription. As consequence they’re going to have to monetize things that would normally just come with playing a subscription game.

I would argue that the game being based around crafting that the craft bag is not optional, especially with one minute + loading screens on an SSD making logging in and out to 11 other charcters to hold materials for inventory management not being realistic.

Iccotak wrote: »

They could make it a service you could also buy with in-game gold but there is a good possibility they would increase the cost of gold to encourage crown store purchases.

There is no need to monetize it, ESO makes plenty of money. In fact I would argue, as would others in this thread, that adding solid quality of life things to game WITHOUT digging into the customers wallet would create a better business/customer relationship that has the potential to retain customers and create new ones. Customers know when they are being abused and charging for basic hair color changes in an MMORPG falls under the abuse category.

Iccotak wrote: »

And/Or they could include it as another feature of ESO+. Which would be fine with me.

This is all I would expect. I would add that they could offer a barber shop "crafting station" for crowns, and also available through master writ vendors.

I would argue that a barbershop "crafting station" sold at 3500 crowns would make them more money immediately and in the long run over character customization tokens.

Raideen

SilverBride wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

Did wow ask you to spend money for the first 4 years if you wanted to change your look? Yes. But for the past 12+ years Word of Warcraft has had a Barbershop and NOT charged real life money for character customization.

ZoS could learn from this.

WoW went even further by adding skin tones and every other customization at the barber shop, and all just for in game gold. They also made it so you can hide everything but pants. Has it hurt them? No.

WoW even has style shows where you compete with others to quickly make themed outfits and vote on your favorites, with prizes for the top outfits. Style is a great player pleaser, and happy players are likely to subscribe and spend crowns on other items.

100%

I love the "Trial for Style" events in WOW. It really is a fun competition dressing up and then being judged by your peers. I have all the achievements

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

As a long time player myself, I still say that it's fine that we can't just change appearances at a whim.. Hair styles/color for gold, sure.. Tats and stuff like that, ok.. Just not skin color, body construction and all that jazz

I'm not asking for full character customizations. I'm asking for a barber shop to change hair styles and colors. Right now the only way to change hair color is to spend 1000 crowns for a full appearance change that you can only use once. That's ridiculous.

I'm not always going after your original post, accept it but things like skin tone has been mentioned, so I comment about it

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

As a long time player myself, I still say that it's fine that we can't just change appearances at a whim.. Hair styles/color for gold, sure.. Tats and stuff like that, ok.. Just not skin color, body construction and all that jazz

I'm not asking for full character customizations. I'm asking for a barber shop to change hair styles and colors. Right now the only way to change hair color is to spend 1000 crowns for a full appearance change that you can only use once. That's ridiculous.

I'm not always going after your original post, accept it but things like skin tone has been mentioned, so I comment about it.. you keep saying hair and hair color, I know.. I also 2-3 times said that I was fine with that

And that's what this thread is about. That and hiding shoulders. It's not about making full appearance changes available at a barber shop for gold. I'm just trying to keep the conversation on topic.

Topics has a tendency to evolve.. and you were on the subject of skin tones as well

rpa

In Wildstar there was the Protostar Appearance Modificator for haircuts &cet. For costumes one could hide everything and add skin of about every armor piece to Holo-Wardrobe. And everything for gold. Steady stream of cash shop currency dropped from playing the game if armor skins were not enough and one wanted to buy swimwear or other posh offerings. (Or more outfit slots for people who started after f2p.)

Also there was the Mastermind Chaps glitch which made excellent outfits for Chua. I'm totally spoiled.

Iccotak

You can purchase 30 day game tokens through the auction house with gold.

What you forget to mention is that it takes a lot of gold to get those 30 day tokens. Technically possible but still very difficult.

Also as a consequence of this feature World of Warcraft has also monetized other aspects of the game.

I would argue that the game being based around crafting that the craft bag is not optional, especially with one minute + loading screens on an SSD making logging in and out to 11 other charcters to hold materials for inventory management not being realistic.

Oh don’t get me wrong, I absolutely only play with an active subscription. But that doesn’t change the fact that there is a large portion of the player base that does not have an active subscription.

That does not change the fact that the game heavily relies on the crown store to fund the project.

This is all I would expect. I would add that they could offer a barber shop "crafting station" for crowns, and also available through master writ vendors.

Or just make it a drop down menu option on character menu. It transports you to a player free space to customize whatever you want save for race & class (because constant race switching would be way too OP)

Then you get transported back where you were when finishing.

There is no need to monetize it, ESO makes plenty of money.

They already have monetized it and it’s working for them. You’re asking them to not make money.

Also what about players who already bought the base game hairs and cosmetics? They’re collection goes away or becomes useless because a barbershop already gives it? They did spend money on those.

Now for some things I absolutely think they need to put in WAY more obtainable mounts in the general game so then players don’t feel cheated from the crown store. Sure the game could use more general obtainable cosmetics.

However Making the game with no subscription required puts them in a position to monetize more and making the crown store the only place for cosmetics (while I disagree with some of their position) does make sense.

rpa

To be honest, I'd rather have most of cosmetics behind cash shop than have cash shop with lootboxes or 'timesavers' to skip long timegates and excruciating grinds. Or just sub to have all of the game to play a good MMO with decent service and performance. Too bad there is no such thing available this time.

Edit: If I felt WoW was a good game I'd play that instead.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Raideen wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

WoW doesn't sell hairstyles and other appearance cosmetics seperately though. Before they added the barber you had to buy an appearance change for the tiniest thing, like changing hair. In ESO you can change hair and other things willy nilly if you've them unlocked.

Did wow ask you to spend money for the first 4 years if you wanted to change your look? Yes. But for the past 12+ years Word of Warcraft has had a Barbershop and NOT charged real life money for character customization.

However here we are, 7 years into ESO and they ARE STILL expecting you to pay for cosmetic changes, that is almost 2x longer than WOW charged real life money. WOW took the high road and gave players an in game barbershop with no real life dollar requirement to change your characters look. Eso, has not.

idk wrote: »

Thank you for bringing this insight to the conversation.

Always happy to bring greater insight to the truth.

WoW is sub-based. You pay to play it. ESO can be played for free.

ESO also lets you buy several cosmetics which you can then change and use at your leisure. WoW doesn't do this. If we were given some hair colour collection, ESO's would be better than WoW's barber in my opinion. I wouldn't need to go to a barber and waste my gold to put my hair up in a ponytail, remove my earrings and put on some face paint. I could just do it right then and there.

I kinda feel like repeating that, because I simply like it so much. Being able to change the look of my character with just a few clicks and with no cost whenever and wherever I want is great.

RedMuse

This topic seem to be about two things, one that exist (changing hair color) and one that doesn't (hiding shoulders).

Yes to hiding shoulders (and those weird hip flaps), it's something that ruins a lot of armor looks.

As for changing hair color that option already exists in the game and so far I've not seen any real argument for changing how it works apart from, "I want this for free," which um... do people know this is a game run by a company and not a charity?

Faiza

RedMuse wrote: »

This topic seem to be about two things, one that exist (changing hair color) and one that doesn't (hiding shoulders).

Yes to hiding shoulders (and those weird hip flaps), it's something that ruins a lot of armor looks.

As for changing hair color that option already exists in the game and so far I've not seen any real argument for changing how it works apart from, "I want this for free," which um... do people know this is a game run by a company and not a charity?

I don't think it's about wanting it for free.

It's about wanting it to work like every other aspect of your appearance, including your hair...

The hair packs I bought weren't free, but I have them now and can change them whenever willy nilly at no additional cost. I can already do this with my hair. So what is the justification for not being able to do this with the color of my hair?

CaptainVenom

+1 for Hide Shoulders.

As for Barbershop... we got one called App Change Token for 1000 crowns lol

Susan_Sto

A preview and face zoom function when changing my toons look in collections would be a massive improvement as well.

This could be an expanded feature of the Outfitters station. Make it a fully functional wardrobe that functions in similar way to crown preview feature.

Pixiepumpkin

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

WoW doesn't sell hairstyles and other appearance cosmetics seperately though. Before they added the barber you had to buy an appearance change for the tiniest thing, like changing hair. In ESO you can change hair and other things willy nilly if you've them unlocked.

Did wow ask you to spend money for the first 4 years if you wanted to change your look? Yes. But for the past 12+ years Word of Warcraft has had a Barbershop and NOT charged real life money for character customization.

However here we are, 7 years into ESO and they ARE STILL expecting you to pay for cosmetic changes, that is almost 2x longer than WOW charged real life money. WOW took the high road and gave players an in game barbershop with no real life dollar requirement to change your characters look. Eso, has not.

idk wrote: »

Thank you for bringing this insight to the conversation.

Always happy to bring greater insight to the truth.

WoW is sub-based. You pay to play it. ESO can be played for free.

ESO also lets you buy several cosmetics which you can then change and use at your leisure. WoW doesn't do this. If we were given some hair colour collection, ESO's would be better than WoW's barber in my opinion. I wouldn't need to go to a barber and waste my gold to put my hair up in a ponytail, remove my earrings and put on some face paint. I could just do it right then and there.

I kinda feel like repeating that, because I simply like it so much. Being able to change the look of my character with just a few clicks and with no cost whenever and wherever I want is great.

no, you can play wow just by buying game tokens in the auction house with gold. this is how i pay for mine

and you cant change your hair color for free in game, you has to pay a lot of crowns

i can change my face, skin color, hair style, hair color, accents and face hair in wow at no cost except a small amount of gold in game

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Think you missed the point of the discussion there...

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

no, you can play wow just by buying game tokens in the auction house with gold. this is how i pay for mine

Which are very expensive and requires getting a lot of gold. Something not everyone do or can.

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

and you cant change your hair color for free in game, you has to pay a lot of crowns

Yes? We are aware. You can though change a lot of other things in ESO for no cost and without needing to go anywhere. Therefore my comment about "If we were given some hair colour collection, ESO's would be better than WoW's barber in my opinion."

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

i can change my face, skin color, hair style, hair color, accents and face hair in wow at no cost except a small amount of gold in game

Yes, we know. It has been mentioned several times? And in ESO I can change hair, facial hair, adornments, head and body markings, costumes and a bunch of other things for no cost (except their original purchase if they had one) whenever I want on the spot.

SilverBride

Iccotak wrote: »

Also what about players who already bought the base game hairs and cosmetics? They’re collection goes away or becomes useless because a barbershop already gives it? They did spend money on those.

How would their collection go away or become useless? These players could continue to use them and change their style as often as they want for free. But for players who only want to change their style once in awhile, paying per use at the barbershop may be their best option. Also those who own the collection could visit the barbershop just for color changes instead of dropping 1000 crowns for an appearance change.

Hair color is part of the hairstyle, so why isn't it included? Imagine you go to the salon to get a haircut and color. The stylist cuts your hair but says they don't do color, and you need to go to a plastic surgeon to change that. Same concept they have going on now by making you purchase an appearance change just to change your hair color. It doesn't make logical sense.

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

Also what about players who already bought the base game hairs and cosmetics? They’re collection goes away or becomes useless because a barbershop already gives it? They did spend money on those.

How would their collection go away or become useless? These players could continue to use them and change their style as often as they want for free.

But it's still somewhat a slap in the face for those people who have spent thousands of crowns to get that possibility

Raideen

Iccotak wrote: »

You can purchase 30 day game tokens through the auction house with gold.

What you forget to mention is that it takes a lot of gold to get those 30 day tokens. Technically possible but still very difficult.

Thank you. I will use this excuse the next time someone tells me that ESO is free to play because crowns can be exchanged for gold (to a factor 1000x greater than WOW)

Iccotak wrote: »

Also as a consequence of this feature World of Warcraft has also monetized other aspects of the game.

You mean their cash store? Ya, at least 99% of the mounts in WOW are available in game for playing the game. Where as in ESO 95% of the mounts are available for crowns only.

BTW. Pro-tip. Did you know the exchange value of a purple gem (on the low end) is $0.25? This means that mounts in ESO that are 400 gems are 100 dollars worth. The most expensive mount in the wow store is 25 bucks and its listed as 25 bucks. I think its a safe argument that Blizzard is more honest with their monetization policies.

Iccotak wrote: »

Oh don’t get me wrong, I absolutely only play with an active subscription. But that doesn’t change the fact that there is a large portion of the player base that does not have an active subscription.

That does not change the fact that the game heavily relies on the crown store to fund the project.

I'd be curious to see the official numbers, because the game pretty much forces you to craft and we all know that crafting is nigh impossible without the ESO+ crafting bag. I think its a safer bet to say that ESO+ alone pays for most of the game, that the crown store is just a WHOLE LOT OF EXTRA, which in and of itself I dont have a problem with. My concern is the constant wallet grabbing. I was in sales for over a decade, I know all to well what happens when you keep digging into a customers wallet.

Iccotak wrote: »

Or just make it a drop down menu option on character menu. It transports you to a player free space to customize whatever you want save for race & class (because constant race switching would be way too OP).

I don't think customers should be able to change their race or class or anything with a barbershop. Just basic hair color, skin color, accessories etc. I mean much of this we can do AFTER we purchase a hair style or something, but we can not change hair color unless we spend 25 dollars, which is frankly utterly ridiculous.

Iccotak wrote: »

They already have monetized it and it’s working for them. You’re asking them to not make money.

This is incorrect. I was very vocal about them creating a barbershop "crafting station" that could be sold for 3500 crowns. That will ensure they continue to make money, and I would argue make more.

Iccotak wrote: »

Also what about players who already bought the base game hairs and cosmetics? They’re collection goes away or becomes useless because a barbershop already gives it? They did spend money on those.

No. I never asked for hair, I asked for skin color and hair color. That is all I asked for.

Iccotak wrote: »

Now for some things I absolutely think they need to put in WAY more obtainable mounts in the general game so then players don’t feel cheated from the crown store. Sure the game could use more general obtainable cosmetics.

I feel the same way about having to pay 25 dollars for a hair color change. Putting this in game would ensure players do not feel cheated and might want to stick around.

Iccotak wrote: »

However Making the game with no subscription required puts them in a position to monetize more and making the crown store the only place for cosmetics (while I disagree with some of their position) does make sense.

I think they could have easily gone the WOW route. Charge 15 dollars a month with the ability to purchase an in game token for gold to pay for subscriptions instead. Its up front, its easy to understand, its honest. You know what you are getting. This is not the case in ESO.

SilverBride

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

Also what about players who already bought the base game hairs and cosmetics? They’re collection goes away or becomes useless because a barbershop already gives it? They did spend money on those.

How would their collection go away or become useless? These players could continue to use them and change their style as often as they want for free.

But it's still somewhat a slap in the face for those people who have spent thousands of crowns to get that possibility

No its not. In fact, players using the barbershop could end up liking it so much that they decide to buy the cosmetic pack so they can continue to do so for free.

And the special styles would still only be accessible through purchase from the Crown Store. The barbershop would only be basic styles and colors.

Slyclone

The damage is done

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

Also what about players who already bought the base game hairs and cosmetics? They’re collection goes away or becomes useless because a barbershop already gives it? They did spend money on those.

How would their collection go away or become useless? These players could continue to use them and change their style as often as they want for free.

But it's still somewhat a slap in the face for those people who have spent thousands of crowns to get that possibility

No its not. In fact, players using the barbershop could end up liking it so much that they decide to buy the cosmetic pack so they can continue to do so for free.

And the special styles would still only be accessible through purchase from the Crown Store. The barbershop would only be basic styles and colors.

Yes it is, because it is crowns spent.. of course it is good for everyone coming after, but it does not change that someone gets shafted a bit in the process

SilverBride

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

Also what about players who already bought the base game hairs and cosmetics? They’re collection goes away or becomes useless because a barbershop already gives it? They did spend money on those.

How would their collection go away or become useless? These players could continue to use them and change their style as often as they want for free.

But it's still somewhat a slap in the face for those people who have spent thousands of crowns to get that possibility

No its not. In fact, players using the barbershop could end up liking it so much that they decide to buy the cosmetic pack so they can continue to do so for free.

And the special styles would still only be accessible through purchase from the Crown Store. The barbershop would only be basic styles and colors.

Yes it is, because it is crowns spent.. of course it is good for everyone coming after, but it does not change that someone gets shafted a bit in the process

HOW do you get shafted for purchasing unlimited free style changes? Having a barbershop won't change the fact that players still have the option to purchase cosmetic packs and use them!

Daemons_Bane

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

Also what about players who already bought the base game hairs and cosmetics? They’re collection goes away or becomes useless because a barbershop already gives it? They did spend money on those.

How would their collection go away or become useless? These players could continue to use them and change their style as often as they want for free.

But it's still somewhat a slap in the face for those people who have spent thousands of crowns to get that possibility

No its not. In fact, players using the barbershop could end up liking it so much that they decide to buy the cosmetic pack so they can continue to do so for free.

And the special styles would still only be accessible through purchase from the Crown Store. The barbershop would only be basic styles and colors.

Yes it is, because it is crowns spent.. of course it is good for everyone coming after, but it does not change that someone gets shafted a bit in the process

HOW do you get shafted for purchasing unlimited free style changes? Having a barbershop won't change the fact that players still have the option to purchase cosmetic packs and use them!

You don't see how making something that someone paid a lot for suddenly become free, could annoy some people.?

SilverBride

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

You don't see how making something that someone paid a lot for suddenly become free, could annoy some people.?

I never once said to make any of this free. Ideally the barbershop would charge gold. And you keep overlooking the fact that a lot of players would then purchase the cosmetic pack when they find out how much they like being able to change their character's hair, so they could have unlimited free changes like you do now.

Maybe you are upset because you would have chosen to use a barbershop and would not have spent crowns for the cosmetic pack if you had known this would be available in the future. Well all I can say to that is Caveat Emptor - Let the Buyer Beware.

There is no guarantee in any exchange of goods or services... be it gaming, retail stores, hair salons, restaurants... that the price or terms won't change after your purchase. You could buy an expensive item and a month later it goes on sale for half price. That may upset you but it doesn't mean that everyone else now forfeits the right to purchase that item at the sale price.