By the time of ESO, the dwemer were extinct for about 2800 years. What possible enclave are you talking about?
This I agree with. But definetly not by introducing actual Dwemer characters in game, be it player or NPC.I created a Dwemer Automaton to pay homage to Dwemer, but it would be amazing to see Dwemer fleshed out a bit more lore wise even if its for a brief period.
By the time of ESO, the dwemer were extinct for about 2800 years. What possible enclave are you talking about?
It's not exactly easy to determine if a group of deep "earth", cave dwelling species is extinct. That is a very easy thing to explain away in lore, outside of the fact the lore is very loose on Dwemer to start with.
It is the homeland of four seemingly unrelated races collectively referred to as the "Akaviri." These races are composed of the Demons of Kamal, the serpent-men of Tsaesci, the Monkey People of Tang Mo, and the Tiger Dragons of Ka'Po'Tun.[1]
I don't know where you got the idea that the Dwemer are small from, since they are were just one of the mer, or elves. They are not connected with dwarves of other fantasy universes in any way except for building underground and sometimes being referred as dwarves by the community (I don't know if they are actually referred to as dwarves in any TES game?).
In any case, I'd prefer not to go this way as the misterious disapearance of the Dwemer is one of the most fascinating parts of TES lore and I would hate it if they break it by introducing them as a playable race. Also ESO as far as I know takes place atleast 1000 years after the dissaperance of the Dwemer.This I agree with. But definetly not by introducing actual Dwemer characters in game, be it player or NPC.I created a Dwemer Automaton to pay homage to Dwemer, but it would be amazing to see Dwemer fleshed out a bit more lore wise even if its for a brief period.
I don't know where you got the idea that the Dwemer are small from, since they are were just one of the mer, or elves. They are not connected with dwarves of other fantasy universes in any way except for building underground and sometimes being referred as dwarves by the community (I don't know if they are actually referred to as dwarves in any TES game?).
In any case, I'd prefer not to go this way as the misterious disapearance of the Dwemer is one of the most fascinating parts of TES lore and I would hate it if they break it by introducing them as a playable race. Also ESO as far as I know takes place atleast 1000 years after the dissaperance of the Dwemer.This I agree with. But definetly not by introducing actual Dwemer characters in game, be it player or NPC.I created a Dwemer Automaton to pay homage to Dwemer, but it would be amazing to see Dwemer fleshed out a bit more lore wise even if its for a brief period.
What we can potentially look forward for a new playable race is when we run out of space on the Tamriel map and start expanding the game to the west (Yokuda, Thras), and most importantly - and what I would like to see myself - Akavir.It is the homeland of four seemingly unrelated races collectively referred to as the "Akaviri." These races are composed of the Demons of Kamal, the serpent-men of Tsaesci, the Monkey People of Tang Mo, and the Tiger Dragons of Ka'Po'Tun.[1]
By the time of ESO, the dwemer were extinct for about 2800 years. What possible enclave are you talking about?
It's not exactly easy to determine if a group of deep "earth", cave dwelling species is extinct. That is a very easy thing to explain away in lore, outside of the fact the lore is very loose on Dwemer to start with.
1. They built huge cities with steam vents coming to the surface, would be hard to miss that.
2. Yes, they're meant to be a mystery, like Akavir.
And who do we know about? Yagrum Bagarn didn't seem small. Radac Stungnthumz was the size of a dunmer.
Also here's a quote from The War of the First Council by Agrippa Fundilius: "The War of the First Council was a First Age religious conflict between the secular Dunmer Houses Dwemer and Dagoth and the orthodox Dunmer Houses Indoril, Redoran, Dres, Hlaalu, and Telvanni".
"the Dwemer were believed to be sized similarly to the average elf or human, though occasionally likened to large children with beards."
I read this as they were smaller than average.
HertoginJanneke wrote: »Please no, I know it is part of the lore, but I truly dislike almost everything about the Dwemer. The Dwemer are long gone and that's the best part of them. It is bad enough we have Dwemer ruins and content like Clockwork City.
"the Dwemer were believed to be sized similarly to the average elf or human, though occasionally likened to large children with beards."
I read this as they were smaller than average.
Here's the quote from Herbane's Bestiary: Dwarven Automatons by Herebane: "The Dwarves have been extinct for many an age, and perhaps for the best. To see men and women the size of large children, all with beards, would be a most disturbing sight"
This was just an assumption, not a statement.
By the time of ESO, the dwemer were extinct for about 2800 years. What possible enclave are you talking about?
It's not exactly easy to determine if a group of deep "earth", cave dwelling species is extinct. That is a very easy thing to explain away in lore, outside of the fact the lore is very loose on Dwemer to start with.
1. They built huge cities with steam vents coming to the surface, would be hard to miss that.
2. Yes, they're meant to be a mystery, like Akavir.
And who do we know about? Yagrum Bagarn didn't seem small. Radac Stungnthumz was the size of a dunmer.
Also here's a quote from The War of the First Council by Agrippa Fundilius: "The War of the First Council was a First Age religious conflict between the secular Dunmer Houses Dwemer and Dagoth and the orthodox Dunmer Houses Indoril, Redoran, Dres, Hlaalu, and Telvanni".
1. There are lots of dwemer and steam in Vvardenfell, does not mean all that is underneath has been discovered.
2. When originally written yes, just like the clone wars in Star Wars. Does not mean things can't be expanded on. You prefer their lore be maintained as written, I prefer their lore be fleshed out because their story arc can go all over the place, and that is something I would like to see.
Also, they were referred to as the size of "large children with beards". I take this as being smaller than the average dunmer.
By the time of ESO, the dwemer were extinct for about 2800 years. What possible enclave are you talking about?
It's not exactly easy to determine if a group of deep "earth", cave dwelling species is extinct. That is a very easy thing to explain away in lore, outside of the fact the lore is very loose on Dwemer to start with.
"the Dwemer were believed to be sized similarly to the average elf or human, though occasionally likened to large children with beards."
I read this as they were smaller than average.
Here's the quote from Herbane's Bestiary: Dwarven Automatons by Herebane: "The Dwarves have been extinct for many an age, and perhaps for the best. To see men and women the size of large children, all with beards, would be a most disturbing sight"
This was just an assumption, not a statement.
Regardless, its been noted and observed that they were the size of large children. It's also evident based on the world lore of what is accepted universally as a "dwarf", even in real life terms a dwarf is a small person.
"the Dwemer were believed to be sized similarly to the average elf or human, though occasionally likened to large children with beards."
I read this as they were smaller than average.
Here's the quote from Herbane's Bestiary: Dwarven Automatons by Herebane: "The Dwarves have been extinct for many an age, and perhaps for the best. To see men and women the size of large children, all with beards, would be a most disturbing sight"
This was just an assumption, not a statement.
Regardless, its been noted and observed that they were the size of large children. It's also evident based on the world lore of what is accepted universally as a "dwarf", even in real life terms a dwarf is a small person.
"the Dwemer were believed to be sized similarly to the average elf or human, though occasionally likened to large children with beards."
I read this as they were smaller than average.
Here's the quote from Herbane's Bestiary: Dwarven Automatons by Herebane: "The Dwarves have been extinct for many an age, and perhaps for the best. To see men and women the size of large children, all with beards, would be a most disturbing sight"
This was just an assumption, not a statement.
Regardless, its been noted and observed that they were the size of large children. It's also evident based on the world lore of what is accepted universally as a "dwarf", even in real life terms a dwarf is a small person.
By the time of ESO, the dwemer were extinct for about 2800 years. What possible enclave are you talking about?
It's not exactly easy to determine if a group of deep "earth", cave dwelling species is extinct. That is a very easy thing to explain away in lore, outside of the fact the lore is very loose on Dwemer to start with.
1. They built huge cities with steam vents coming to the surface, would be hard to miss that.
2. Yes, they're meant to be a mystery, like Akavir.
And who do we know about? Yagrum Bagarn didn't seem small. Radac Stungnthumz was the size of a dunmer.
Also here's a quote from The War of the First Council by Agrippa Fundilius: "The War of the First Council was a First Age religious conflict between the secular Dunmer Houses Dwemer and Dagoth and the orthodox Dunmer Houses Indoril, Redoran, Dres, Hlaalu, and Telvanni".
1. There are lots of dwemer and steam in Vvardenfell, does not mean all that is underneath has been discovered.
2. When originally written yes, just like the clone wars in Star Wars. Does not mean things can't be expanded on. You prefer their lore be maintained as written, I prefer their lore be fleshed out because their story arc can go all over the place, and that is something I would like to see.
Also, they were referred to as the size of "large children with beards". I take this as being smaller than the average dunmer.
Where and who are those dwemer? Name at least one, that I didn't mention.
By the time of ESO, the dwemer were extinct for about 2800 years. What possible enclave are you talking about?
It's not exactly easy to determine if a group of deep "earth", cave dwelling species is extinct. That is a very easy thing to explain away in lore, outside of the fact the lore is very loose on Dwemer to start with.
Lore-based theories surrounding their diappearance are:
1) they zero-summed (possible);
2) achieved CHIM (but that doesn't explain where they went);
3) they ascended to godhood through mythopoeic forces (this has multiple sub-theories, some of which include becoming the "skin" of Numidium);
4) they relocated to another plane of existence; or
5) they were wiped out because of a miscalculation by Kagrenac.
In lore, the only known living Dwemer was Yagrum Bagarn, whom we saw in TES III. However, he was spared from whatever happened to his people because, at the time, he was in another dimension...an outer realm (whatever that means). He had no idea of where the Dwemer went (he came back and saw that they were gone), but he did know what caused it--Kagrenac's work on the Heart of Lorkhan. He actually worked for Kagrenac as a Master Crafter.
The relevant point is that Yagrum looked for the Dwemer but could not find them. Yagrum, the Dwemer who had access to other dimensions and planes of existence, could not find his people. Yeah, so it seems rather unlikely that there is a remaining enclave of Dwemer. If there were, a mer like him would have found them.
Final Report to Trebonius
Yagrum Bagarn