PvP Magicka Necromancer has the worst offensive toolkit of any class by far

NinchiTV

@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you tap the combat team's shoulder and link them this? Or at least have them acknowledge that they think the class is fine as is or if work is being done to improve the offensive toolkit on the class? That would be great

Urvoth

Another week where magnecro gets ignored...

GoodFella146

Make a werewolf

PhoenixGrey

Urvoth wrote: »

Another week where magnecro gets ignored...

Didn't you get the memo ? Top EU PVP'ers claim is the best PVP class ever along with Magden

YandereGirlfriend

I feel as though someone on the Combat Team got roasted by a magRomancer in a BG once and has been holding a grudge against them ever since.

SshadowSscale

I really want to comment on this thread but the last time I commented on a magnecro thread I got handed out a warning by the mods..... all I am going to say is that I am just disappointed in zos..... really really disappointed😭😭😭

GrigorijMalahevich

Excuse me? Magnecro is currently the strongest class in PvP.

Maybe you should look at different build options, maybe ask for help from more experienced players before jumping to conclusions that magnecro needs any buffs.

Yamenstein

GrigorijMalahevich wrote: »

Excuse me? Magnecro is currently the strongest class in PvP.

Maybe you should look at different build options, maybe ask for help from more experienced players before jumping to conclusions that magnecro needs any buffs.

What? 🤣🤣 Care to elaborate?

SshadowSscale

GrigorijMalahevich wrote: »

Excuse me? Magnecro is currently the strongest class in PvP.

Maybe you should look at different build options, maybe ask for help from more experienced players before jumping to conclusions that magnecro needs any buffs.

uh are we playing the same game? Last I checked stamcro and standing where the 2 kings of pvp.... did I miss a magcro buff or what?

Vizirith

GrigorijMalahevich wrote: »

Excuse me? Magnecro is currently the strongest class in PvP.

Maybe you should look at different build options, maybe ask for help from more experienced players before jumping to conclusions that magnecro needs any buffs.

No

AMeanOne

Magcro is really strong right now in the current meta, but as soon as nerfs happen to procs magcros will be bottom of the barrel again. I suggest embracing the meta and have fun killing people on magcro while you can

Carbohydrate

I've been doing conjurer/winterborn/kjalnars/malacath with 3x harmony for graverobber and it's done well in BG's and duels for a while now. Idk about cyrodiil because I don't really spend time there.

Superstar: https://i.imgur.com/EBmMvWT.png

I can't really recall a fight where I was at a disadvantage due to being against a "better" class vs getting outplayed/misplaying a fight myself.

Urvoth

GrigorijMalahevich wrote: »

Excuse me? Magnecro is currently the strongest class in PvP.

Maybe you should look at different build options, maybe ask for help from more experienced players before jumping to conclusions that magnecro needs any buffs.

Uhhh just no. That statement is beyond uninformed and clueless. Not only do you have to ignore stamdens, stam necros, and stamsorcs to make that statement, which all can utilize stronger proc sets, have more mobility, burst, and stronger personal utility skills, but you’re also passing over all the other mag classes with better kits that utilize the exact same proc sets magnecro does.

Imagine telling a thread filled with the best magnecro mains in the game to “ask for help from experienced players.” Nearly all current magnecro builds are copied from what several people in this thread have used.

Revokus

AMeanOne wrote: »

Magcro is really strong right now in the current meta, but as soon as nerfs happen to procs magcros will be bottom of the barrel again. I suggest embracing the meta and have fun killing people on magcro while you can

I can confirm it's a pain to play it solo right now with the test. Sometimes I just want to delete the toon and go back to Magsorc but I won't.

Vizirith

I have literally only lost to 1 magcro so far, akinos. And he's a good player who'd prolly do better on a different class.

Revokus

I would love for Hungry Scythe to be changed to an execute like steel tornado but keep the cone and reduce or remove the heal attached to it.

Also Glacial Colossus should stun on first hit instead of last.

Only those 2 changes would help Magcro tremendously.

I've already switched to Dawnbreaker for a while now and it's so much better.. AoE stun, cheaper, great damage. Colossus is a lot more expensive I don't see why it can't be changed to stun on the first hit instead.

Urvoth

Revokus wrote: »

I would love for Hungry Scythe to be changed to an execute like steel tornado but keep the cone and reduce or remove the heal attached to it.

Also Glacial Colossus should stun on first hit instead of last.

Only those 2 changes would help Magcro tremendously.

I've already switched to Dawnbreaker for a while now and it's so much better.. AoE stun, cheaper, great damage. Colossus is a lot more expensive I don't see why it can't be changed to stun on the first hit instead.

Exactly, both of those changes would help the class so much. One of the major downsides of magnecro is the lack of an execute and Scythe doesn't do anything anyways, so may as well be an execute.

katorga

Vizirith wrote: »

I have literally only lost to 1 magcro so far, akinos. And he's a good player who'd prolly do better on a different class.

Perma-snared from Ironblood. Building for burst with a 20s cooldown. Worst pvp class. I mean how hard can you make it for yourself, lol.

He really makes magcro look good. I think his videos single-handedly keep the class down.

UntouchableHunter

As a magdk I agree with you. The only class worst then magdk is magcro.

And you are right the stamina whatever say that they are skilled players because they spam dswing + dawnbreaker and they kill everything with a easy burst. We must to work só hard to build our damage without any burst and ZOS just don't care, they know they situation and they are doing nothing to change it.

They are making magplayers change for the generic stamina dswing dawnbreaker whatever.

Maggusemm

Just not true, blastbones are the strongest PVP skill in game.

Urvoth

Maggusemm wrote: »

Just not true, blastbones are the strongest PVP skill in game.

You mean the one somewhat decent offensive skill out of the entire class kit that’s still extremely buggy and has an effectively nonexistent secondary effect? Somehow this skill that will often just die midair when targeting mobile opponents, doesn’t apply breach and isn’t as consistent as Deep Fissure, isn’t instant like crystal frag or the nb bow, etc, is the strongest skill in the game?

It’s the most viable skill out of a virtually non existent offensive toolkit.

AMeanOne

4 procs are your offensive toolkit on magcro.

Urvoth

AMeanOne wrote: »

4 procs are your offensive toolkit on magcro.

That can be your offensive toolkit on any class.

Carbohydrate

Revokus wrote: »

I would love for Hungry Scythe to be changed to an execute like steel tornado but keep the cone and reduce or remove the heal attached to it.

Also Glacial Colossus should stun on first hit instead of last.

Only those 2 changes would help Magcro tremendously.

I've already switched to Dawnbreaker for a while now and it's so much better.. AoE stun, cheaper, great damage. Colossus is a lot more expensive I don't see why it can't be changed to stun on the first hit instead.

Magcros already get 100% crit (or near 100%) in execute with proper bar setup. If they're given an execute ability (especially an AoE one), it will just put them further ahead in PvE than they already are.

WhyEvenTry

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

As a magdk I agree with you. The only class worst then magdk is magcro.

*cough*

Magblade

GrigorijMalahevich

Urvoth wrote: »

GrigorijMalahevich wrote: »

Excuse me? Magnecro is currently the strongest class in PvP.

Maybe you should look at different build options, maybe ask for help from more experienced players before jumping to conclusions that magnecro needs any buffs.

Uhhh just no. That statement is beyond uninformed and clueless. Not only do you have to ignore stamdens, stam necros, and stamsorcs to make that statement, which all can utilize stronger proc sets, have more mobility, burst, and stronger personal utility skills, but you’re also passing over all the other mag classes with better kits that utilize the exact same proc sets magnecro does.

Imagine telling a thread filled with the best magnecro mains in the game to “ask for help from experienced players.” Nearly all current magnecro builds are copied from what several people in this thread have used.

Why are you calling my statement "beyond uninformed and clueless" while being the one in denial of how strong magcro is in the current meta? If you are unable to dominate other classes it doesn't automatically mean that the class you are playing is bad.

I don't need to imagine telling anyone anything, I just state the obvious. If your and/or your friends builds are bad, it doesn't mean that the class is weak.

Please, do your homework before making such statements, analyse other builds, check utube guides, maybe join a pvp discord with good players and be less arrogant and rude, thank you very much.

Urvoth

GrigorijMalahevich wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

GrigorijMalahevich wrote: »

Excuse me? Magnecro is currently the strongest class in PvP.

Maybe you should look at different build options, maybe ask for help from more experienced players before jumping to conclusions that magnecro needs any buffs.

Uhhh just no. That statement is beyond uninformed and clueless. Not only do you have to ignore stamdens, stam necros, and stamsorcs to make that statement, which all can utilize stronger proc sets, have more mobility, burst, and stronger personal utility skills, but you’re also passing over all the other mag classes with better kits that utilize the exact same proc sets magnecro does.

Imagine telling a thread filled with the best magnecro mains in the game to “ask for help from experienced players.” Nearly all current magnecro builds are copied from what several people in this thread have used.

Why are you calling my statement "beyond uninformed and clueless" while being the one in denial of how strong magcro is in the current meta? If you are unable to dominate other classes it doesn't automatically mean that the class you are playing is bad.

I don't need to imagine telling anyone anything, I just state the obvious. If your and/or your friends builds are bad, it doesn't mean that the class is weak.

Please, do your homework before making such statements, analyse other builds, check utube guides, maybe join a pvp discord with good players and be less arrogant and rude, thank you very much.

So you're saying the class offensive toolkit is great despite being 1 skill and an ult? You're equating being good at using procs with having a complete offensive toolkit, which magnecro certainly does not have. Are you actually saying looking at build videos is going to magically turn the class from having 2 offensive skills into having a full offensive toolkit?

Maggusemm

I dont think that you ever played magcro. You also have boneyard reducing resistances by 6k which is insane and having a synergy for an ally which also hits insane. Remember that Blastbones can be cast every 3rd second and will just burn through the enemies. Then your Ulti which is very strong. You have a pre-castable skeleton mage which does damage when you just stand around. And you say Magcro has the worst offensive toolkit of class skills?

You can also slot the healing ghost reducing your damage taken by 10%, magcro is insanely strong if played by a good player.

AMeanOne

With 4 procs magcros don't need an offensive toolkit. The procs kill everyone while you focus on magcros strength, its defensive toolkit. But yes, take away the procs and you won't have a good time on the class.

Urvoth

Maggusemm wrote: »

I dont think that you ever played magcro. You also have boneyard reducing resistances by 6k which is insane and having a synergy for an ally which also hits insane. Remember that Blastbones can be cast every 3rd second and will just burn through the enemies. Then your Ulti which is very strong. You have a pre-castable skeleton mage which does damage when you just stand around. And you say Magcro has the worst offensive toolkit of class skills?

You can also slot the healing ghost reducing your damage taken by 10%, magcro is insanely strong if played by a good player.

You're not going to kill a good player with the boneyard synergy on a 20s cd. Did you read the main post? The skelly mage won't even target who you're trying to fight, and will ignore the low hp pple you're targeting over some random person near you. Blastbones is nice but also buggy and inconsistent and lacks a secondary effect.