Was it ever confirmed if "tea-bagging" is against TOS now?

Jeremy

CBixby wrote: »

ZOS_KageW wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

karliahquinn wrote: »

The thing is, it's not really a matter of whether teabagging is offensive or not. Because it is AND it isn't- both are true. Teabagging is upsetting for some people, fact. Teabagging is also meaningless and a bit of fun for some people, also fact.

The real discussion imho is, are you the kind of person that knowing your actions are really upsetting some people willing to carry on because you don't care about those people? If the answer is no, don't teabag. If the answer is yes, no forum discussion is going to change your mind about it.

Safest thing is to just teabag your mates who you know don't give a crap, and don't teabag strangers. Unless you're in the latter camp of course, because then you don't care either way.

Kinda get your point @karliahquinn however it has a flaw. And that is that it assume people know that some have a massive hatred and fear of being tea bagged.

It's pretty normal behaviour in gaming, I've only learnt that in ESO as was not a massive online gamer before that. However personally think it's funny and harmless.

I would have had no idea of the offence it causes for some people, and neither would many others.

PvPers who Tea Bag are not all evil malicious monsters out to get people. Some will just do it and be obvious.

I'm with Gina that yep if you ask someone to stop something, whatever it is it's fair enough.

But it certainly feels people are A over sensitive to it and B this big PvE assumption that all PvPers are cold hard killers out to menace folks..

If you ask me to stop - fair enough, however, I have a feeling this will all blow up in ZOS's face as now they will have the trolls being the 'victims' and submitting reports about anyone and anything.

What I don't understand is why companies don't take their ToS in the opposite direction. It would be a lot easier to enforce and let Game Masters focus more on actual problems.... like bugs, cheats, botting, etc.

All they would have to is add they are not responsible for any emotional effects the animations of their video game characters have on other players and that by playing this game you are agreeing and consenting to allow other players to use all manner of animations against them.

Problem solved.

All I can guess is ZoS employees simply just don't have enough to do if they are actually taking this seriously enough to try and enforce. Because they are really going down an endless rabbit hole with this one.

Beardimus

Jeremy wrote: »

CBixby wrote: »

ZOS_KageW wrote: »

Greetings,

We have removed quite a few posts and would like to remind everyone that Baiting is against the Forum's Community Rules, as stated below:

Trolling or Baiting: The act of trolling is defined as something that is created for the intent to provoke conflict, shock others, or to elicit a strong negative or emotional reaction. It’s okay and very normal to disagree with others, and even to debate, but provoking conflict, baiting, inciting, mocking, etc. is never acceptable in the official The Elder Scrolls Online community. If you do not have something constructive or meaningful to add to a discussion, we strongly recommend you refrain from posting in that thread, and find another discussion to participate in instead. It is also not constructive or helpful to publicly call out others and accuse them of trolling, or call them a troll—please refrain from doing so. If you genuinely believe someone is trolling, please report the post or thread to the ESO Team, and leave it at that.

Remember to keep the Community Rules in mind when posting or replying on the Forums.

Beardimus wrote: »

karliahquinn wrote: »

The thing is, it's not really a matter of whether teabagging is offensive or not. Because it is AND it isn't- both are true. Teabagging is upsetting for some people, fact. Teabagging is also meaningless and a bit of fun for some people, also fact.

The real discussion imho is, are you the kind of person that knowing your actions are really upsetting some people willing to carry on because you don't care about those people? If the answer is no, don't teabag. If the answer is yes, no forum discussion is going to change your mind about it.

Safest thing is to just teabag your mates who you know don't give a crap, and don't teabag strangers. Unless you're in the latter camp of course, because then you don't care either way.

Kinda get your point @karliahquinn however it has a flaw. And that is that it assume people know that some have a massive hatred and fear of being tea bagged.

It's pretty normal behaviour in gaming, I've only learnt that in ESO as was not a massive online gamer before that. However personally think it's funny and harmless.

I would have had no idea of the offence it causes for some people, and neither would many others.

PvPers who Tea Bag are not all evil malicious monsters out to get people. Some will just do it and be obvious.

I'm with Gina that yep if you ask someone to stop something, whatever it is it's fair enough.

But it certainly feels people are A over sensitive to it and B this big PvE assumption that all PvPers are cold hard killers out to menace folks..

If you ask me to stop - fair enough, however, I have a feeling this will all blow up in ZOS's face as now they will have the trolls being the 'victims' and submitting reports about anyone and anything.

What I don't understand is why companies don't take their ToS in the opposite direction. It would be a lot easier to enforce and let Game Masters focus more on actual problems.... like bugs, cheats, botting, etc.

All they would have to is add they are not responsible for any emotional effects the animations of their video game characters have on other players and that by playing this game you are agreeing and consenting to allow other players to use all manner of animations against them.

Problem solved.

All I can guess is ZoS employees simply just don't have enough to do if they are actually taking this seriously enough to try and enforce. Because they are really going down an endless rabbit hole with this one.

100% agreed.

And the forum is a hugely small minority of players (on console anyway) thus someone will get bagged and say 'no thank you' and very likely get bagged again, clipped and off they go to ZOS for a report.

Considering they didn't act on #CrownsGate it seems odd they policing Pixel Bopping over lost £€¥$

SilverBride

Jeremy wrote: »

What I don't understand is why companies don't take their ToS in the opposite direction. It would be a lot easier to enforce and let Game Masters focus more on actual problems.... like bugs, cheats, botting, etc.

All they would have to is add they are not responsible for any emotional effects the animations of their video game characters have on other players and that by playing this game you are agreeing and consenting to allow other players to use all manner of animations against them.

Problem solved.

Problem created.

I don't want to play a game that not only allows toxic behavior to continue, but requires people to accept it. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Nothing good can come of normalizing toxicity, in any situation.

Kingslayer513

SilverBride wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

What I don't understand is why companies don't take their ToS in the opposite direction. It would be a lot easier to enforce and let Game Masters focus more on actual problems.... like bugs, cheats, botting, etc.

All they would have to is add they are not responsible for any emotional effects the animations of their video game characters have on other players and that by playing this game you are agreeing and consenting to allow other players to use all manner of animations against them.

Problem solved.

Problem created.

I don't want to play a game that not only allows toxic behavior to continue, but requires people to accept it. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Nothing good can come of normalizing toxicity, in any situation.

Well ZOS already gave their official answer that it's allowed unless they (the recipient of the bagging) asks for it to stop and the lawful bagger fails to stop, so there you have it. I'm guessing we won't see you in Cyrodiil any time soon then

SilverBride

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

What I don't understand is why companies don't take their ToS in the opposite direction. It would be a lot easier to enforce and let Game Masters focus more on actual problems.... like bugs, cheats, botting, etc.

All they would have to is add they are not responsible for any emotional effects the animations of their video game characters have on other players and that by playing this game you are agreeing and consenting to allow other players to use all manner of animations against them.

Problem solved.

Problem created.

I don't want to play a game that not only allows toxic behavior to continue, but requires people to accept it. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Nothing good can come of normalizing toxicity, in any situation.

Well ZOS already gave their official answer that it's allowed unless they (the recipient of the bagging) asks for it to stop and the lawful bagger fails to stop, so there you have it. I'm guessing we won't see you in Cyrodiil any time soon then

The difference is we have a right to stop the behavior if we so choose. We are not forced to just accept it.

And, yea, I never did like PvP in this game. Loved it in every other game I played, but not here.

UppGRAYxDD

@Zos can y’all buff Blazing shield, i need my personal space in PvP...

PrayingSeraph

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

You say that its been discussed and yet you did not refute my claim.

I did in earlier posts. Not going to rewrite nor repost them. If you're interested in fighting and arguing, of course you won't read them no matter what. If you're interested in understanding someone else's point of view, you will find those posts and read them. It answers everything, including your last argumentation. You may or may not agree, but I'm not going all over this again.
For all I care, you can teabag all you want. My opinion of you (which, again, you may or may not care about and that's okay either way) will be strongly impacted by the fact that you're a teabagger. The reasons why are in this thread. That's all, really.

Just re-read the pages. I didnt see a refutation. To be frank, I'm not sure you have one. You're welcome to prove me wrong.

I don't teabag, I don't have any interest in teabagging. I tend to be more of a RP'er. However I would rather ESO be populated by teabaggers than with a bunch of puritans.

esotoon

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

However I would rather ESO be populated by teabaggers than with a bunch of puritans.

*Looks at this statement*

*Looks at the user name*

*Giggles*

PrayingSeraph

esotoon wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

However I would rather ESO be populated by teabaggers than with a bunch of puritans.

*Looks at this statement*

*Looks at the user name*

*Giggles*

I admit, that is funny now that I think about my username haha

anitajoneb17_ESO

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

Just re-read the pages. I didnt see a refutation.

Look again. It's there.

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

However I would rather ESO be populated by teabaggers than with a bunch of puritans.

Everybody knows that the world is split into 2 categories : toxic and puritans, and nothing in-between.

Lord-Otto

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As with many things in-game, context is very important. The act of standing and squatting over another NPC or character to teabag them can be considered a form of harassment which can be a violation of the Terms of Service (ToS). As with all forms of harassment, if a player asks you to stop a behavior, you need to stop. If you continue to teabag someone that asks you to stop, that is a violation of the ToS and may lead to your account being suspended or even permanently banned. Hope this helps clear things up

I can't wrap my head around this.
Teabagging has been a legitimate strategy since Goldeneye 64. It's used to annoy your enemy and make him do mistakes out of emotion. It has been common in shooters and I know it very well from my Halo time. It never even occured to me that it could be offensive. Fighting games often have showy costumes for female characters to distract your opponent, like DoA. Or victory moves, like Fatalities in Mortal Kombat. Action games like Dark Souls or For Honor have emotes. It's normal. It's part of the game.
So just because a person isn't willing to play this mind game and develop resistance against it, you're okay with banning a teabagger? Just think about it. For a virtual action with no real consequences, which is even part of an aspect of the game, you are erasing a person's very real time and money invested. And what's next? Bunny hopping? A lot of ESO players take offense in perma jumping sorcs, is that also bannable?
This is just wrong. And it speaks volumes.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

Just re-read the pages. I didnt see a refutation.

Look again. It's there.

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

However I would rather ESO be populated by teabaggers than with a bunch of puritans.

Everybody knows that the world is split into 2 categories : toxic and puritans, and nothing in-between.

not really i dont mind about the hate whispers, or the emotes zos put in like flip the bird, but i dont like teabagging, usually its after 20 peeps mow me down

esotoon

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Teabagging has been a legitimate strategy since Goldeneye 64. It's used to annoy your enemy and make him do mistakes out of emotion. It has been common in shooters and I know it very well from my Halo time. It never even occured to me that it could be offensive. Fighting games often have showy costumes for female characters to distract your opponent, like DoA. Or victory moves, like Fatalities in Mortal Kombat. Action games like Dark Souls or For Honor have emotes. It's normal. It's part of the game.
So just because a person isn't willing to play this mind game and develop resistance against it, you're okay with banning a teabagger? Just think about it. For a virtual action with no real consequences, which is even part of an aspect of the game, you are erasing a person's very real time and money invested. And what's next? Bunny hopping? A lot of ESO players take offense in perma jumping sorcs, is that also bannable?
This is just wrong. And it speaks volumes.

You state that teabagging effects a player enough to cause them to make mistakes.
You say it effects a players emotions.
You say a player must go as far as having to develop resistance to mind games to defend themselves from it.
But then you state it’s only a virtual action with no real consequences.

So which is it? You can’t point out that it has a real world effects on players, that it is being done deliberately to cause these problems, and then claim that it’s only virtual with no real consequences.

SmukkeHeks

The fact that Gina thinks we can write to the t-baggers shows how much they actually spend time ingame.

I can’t write while dead. Can others?

[snip]

[Edited to remove Inappropriate Content]

esotoon

SmukkeHeks wrote: »

The fact that Gina thinks we can write to the t-baggers shows how much they actually spend time ingame.

I can’t write while dead. Can others?

[snip]

You can whisper when dead. You just can’t type in zone chat.

SmukkeHeks

esotoon wrote: »

SmukkeHeks wrote: »

The fact that Gina thinks we can write to the t-baggers shows how much they actually spend time ingame.

I can’t write while dead. Can others?

[snip]

You can whisper when dead. You just can’t type in zone or group chat.

Corrected.

Can I use my persons wheel while dead?

esotoon

SmukkeHeks wrote: »

Can I use my persons wheel while dead?

Nope.

I'm a keyboard user so I always do "/tell @username". Do console users have the option to do this?

SmukkeHeks

esotoon wrote: »

SmukkeHeks wrote: »

Can I use my persons wheel while dead?

Nope.

I'm a keyboard user so I always do "/tell @username". Do console users have the option to do this?

Quite the hoops they’re willingly to take just to avoid taking a stand.

[snip]

[Edited to remove Deliberately Disobeying a Zenimax Online Employee, Discussing Disciplinary Actions, and Spamming]

anitajoneb17_ESO

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's used to annoy your enemy and make him do mistakes out of emotion

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It never even occured to me that it could be offensive.

High level self-contradiction here.

Lord-Otto

esotoon wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Teabagging has been a legitimate strategy since Goldeneye 64. It's used to annoy your enemy and make him do mistakes out of emotion. It has been common in shooters and I know it very well from my Halo time. It never even occured to me that it could be offensive. Fighting games often have showy costumes for female characters to distract your opponent, like DoA. Or victory moves, like Fatalities in Mortal Kombat. Action games like Dark Souls or For Honor have emotes. It's normal. It's part of the game.
So just because a person isn't willing to play this mind game and develop resistance against it, you're okay with banning a teabagger? Just think about it. For a virtual action with no real consequences, which is even part of an aspect of the game, you are erasing a person's very real time and money invested. And what's next? Bunny hopping? A lot of ESO players take offense in perma jumping sorcs, is that also bannable?
This is just wrong. And it speaks volumes.

You state that teabagging effects a player enough to cause them to make mistakes.
You say it effects a players emotions.
You say a player must go as far as having to develop resistance to mind games to defend themselves from it.
But then you state it’s only a virtual action with no real consequences.

So which is it? You can’t point out that it has a real world effects on players, that it is being done deliberately to cause these problems, and then claim that it’s only virtual with no real consequences.

Yup, you got it. It's a VIRTUAL action with possible effects on VIRTUAL performance. Invoking a very REAL and severe penalty is therefore out of proportion.

esotoon

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yup, you got it. It's a VIRTUAL action with possible effects on VIRTUAL performance. Invoking a very REAL and severe penalty is therefore out of proportion.

So you are just going to ignore your own words?

Or do you honestly not realise that between what you do with your actions, and the response you see from the enemy character on screen, sits a real, living human being?

Invoking a very REAL and severe penalty is therefore out of proportion.

So it's only "real", when it effects you?

Lord-Otto

esotoon wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yup, you got it. It's a VIRTUAL action with possible effects on VIRTUAL performance. Invoking a very REAL and severe penalty is therefore out of proportion.

So you are just going to ignore your own words?

Or do you honestly not realise that between what you do with your actions, and the response you see from the enemy character on screen, sits a real, living human being?

Invoking a very REAL and severe penalty is therefore out of proportion.

So it's only "real", when it effects you?

It's real when it affects my real time and money investment. It's virtual when it affects my game performance. And if I let that happen, nonetheless. In-game death also frustrates me, but I won't let it get to me. This shows that it really is just a fabricated mindset.

esotoon

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's real when it affects my real time and money investment.

By your own admission, you are deliberately trying to effect another person's mental and physical state. This in turn affects that person playing experience and ability to play. So you are also affecting that person's time, and money investment as a result of your actions.

It's virtual when it affects my game performance. And if I let that happen, nonetheless. In-game death also frustrates me, but I won't let it get to me. This shows that it really is just a fabricated mindset.

Again, your argument boils down to, if something affects me it's 'real' and if something doesn't effect me it's 'virtual'. That's not how the real world works. Everyone is different. How they are affected by the same circumstances, be they physical or mental, is different. The fact that some people are affected differently to you does not mean it is 'fabricated'.

pod88kk

Crash427 wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Only if you do it to a streamer apparently.

But not when they do it to other people, apparently

Us non streaming peasants don't matter apparently

SilverBride

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's used to annoy your enemy and make him do mistakes out of emotion... It never even occured to me that it could be offensive.

How is annoying your enemy to the point that they make mistakes out of emotion not offensive? You aren't annoying the character. The character doesn't have emotions. You are targeting the person playing the character.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

So just because a person isn't willing to play this mind game and develop resistance against it, you're okay with banning a teabagger? ... For a virtual action with no real consequences, which is even part of an aspect of the game, you are erasing a person's very real time and money invested.

No one should ever be expected to be a victim of mind games, let alone accept it and develop resistance to it. This virtual action that is targeting a real person's emotions can have very real consequences, and it does. A lot of players won't even try PvP, or have given it up, because of this.

So it's ok with you that the people who don't PvP or have quit PvPing, or even playing all together, lose the time and money they have invested? But it's not ok for someone who is using mind games to target that person's emotions to lose theirs?

What upside down universe are some people living in?

anitajoneb17_ESO

ElvenOverlord wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

I have talked to Gina and here's their official statement on the new CoC and PvP

She replied to you, and you alone, instead of just addressing the issue in the thread? And at 01:36 am?

I call fake.

Before people actually believe you.
01:36 am is because I live in europe and she did answer me, that reply is 100% real

I still don't believe it.

[Quoted post was removed]

I do. I care about what @SilverBride believes, and what other people think in general.

ElvenOverlord

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ElvenOverlord wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

I have talked to Gina and here's their official statement on the new CoC and PvP

She replied to you, and you alone, instead of just addressing the issue in the thread? And at 01:36 am?

I call fake.

Before people actually believe you.
01:36 am is because I live in europe and she did answer me, that reply is 100% real

I still don't believe it.

[Quoted post was removed]

I do. I care about what @SilverBride believes, and what other people think in general.

👍

TineaCruris

EdmondDontes wrote: »

The rule to remember is that the TOS is so overly broad and generic that it can mean anything ZOS wants it to mean. Some companies write their TOS like that because, well....they have their reasons.

This ^

SilverBride

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's used to annoy your enemy and make him do mistakes out of emotion.

I'd like to add this. If the only way someone can beat their opponent is by playing mind games to annoy them so much that they make mistakes out of emotion... Well that doesn't say much about their PvP skills.

Casul

SilverBride wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's used to annoy your enemy and make him do mistakes out of emotion.

I'd like to add this. If the only way someone can beat their opponent is by playing mind games to annoy them so much that they make mistakes out of emotion... Well that doesn't say much about their PvP skills.

Strategy is strategy. All that matters is the win.