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ZOS_ConnorGmodGreetings all,
After review we have had to edit or remove multiple posts for a variety of rule violations. Please keep in mind our Community Rules and Code of Conduct so that this thread remains civil, constructive, and within the rules. This will allow the discussion to continue and the thread to remain open.
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Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »If people continue to hide behind excuses to allow humiliating another player with T-bagging, then the final recourse should be that they prove they didn't do it when they are reported.
This puts the onus on players to avoid the behavior completely.
Once or twice maybe they'll let you get away with "it was an accident / incidental". Too many times and you should be permanently banned because it starts to show a pattern of trying to get around the TOS.
Same with pets blocking stations. If it's there too long, don't care whether it was intentional or not. Just give them a suspension so they'll be careful next time by putting away their pet proactively.
I saw you t-bag someone and I can get 3 people to also say the same thing. Now prove you didn't.
Screenshot? Video? If you don't even have a screenshot, you don't even have a report to begin with. How about you use some common sense? People defending teabagging seem to have a severe lack of that.
If you have a video or screen that they can look at, and if it looks like you are teabagging, then you are teabagging.
Too many warnings and you get a suspension since by that point it's likely you are doing it on purpose.
Don't care if you personally think it's teabagging or not, or if you personally intended it or not, or whatever. If they see your toon doing it, that's all they should need to take action.
Seriously... all these people who t-bagged now are so scared shitless that they will be banned retroactively. And they'll say anything to make this go away. Same as with every cheat or exploit that shows up on the forums.
How about they just not accept the TOS to begin with because they obviously don't agree with it.
If you don't think it's against TOS, don't bother arguing here. Just go ahead and do it and get reported. If you think it's completely innocent, you have nothing to worry about if ZOS is reasonable, right?Edited by Dusk_Coven on September 15, 2020 1:54PM3 -
Earthewen✭✭✭✭✭What part of "M" rating do you guys not understand? If you care about a pretend bagging if you win a fight, then you are certainly in the wrong game. Perhaps you should try Pokémon!5 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What part of "M" rating do you guys not understand? If you care about a pretend bagging if you win a fight, then you are certainly in the wrong game. Perhaps you should try Pokémon!
M = Mature.
People engaging in t-bagging or defending vulgar acts do not have sufficient maturity to qualify.7 -
Earthewen✭✭✭✭✭If people continue to hide behind excuses to allow humiliating another player with T-bagging, then the final recourse should be that they prove they didn't do it when they are reported.
Welcome to the witch hunt culture.
ROFL!
I am just getting into the fray before this thread either gets locked down or deleted.0 -
Khaleesi8688✭✭✭✭Its immature for sure but I can't imagine feeling sexually violated by a crouching, fully clothed character on a screen and I say that as a real life *** survivor. Not only that but then cutting off friends you got along with for such a trivial thing? I often wonder what life is like for people who have to look for and invent problems instead of having to deal with real ones. I appreciate the insight I suppose. If it is that easy for someone to feel victimized in such a traumatic way, mmo games and the internet in general is probably never going to be a safe place for them.4
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Soul_Demon✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »What part of "M" rating do you guys not understand? If you care about a pretend bagging if you win a fight, then you are certainly in the wrong game. Perhaps you should try Pokémon!
M = Mature.
People engaging in t-bagging or defending vulgar acts do not have sufficient maturity to qualify.
"Titles rated M (Mature) have content that is generally suitable for persons ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language."
The above is the actual ESRB rating language.1 -
Earthewen✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »What part of "M" rating do you guys not understand? If you care about a pretend bagging if you win a fight, then you are certainly in the wrong game. Perhaps you should try Pokémon!
M = Mature.
People engaging in t-bagging or defending vulgar acts do not have sufficient maturity to qualify.
did you see a defense anywhere in my post? I don't think you did. My point, which escaped you, is that this is a game rated "M" for mature. People use adult language here (which can be blocked), and even the devs have themes that could be considered adult throughout this game. FACT.
Now, if you are really THAT tired of getting tea-bagged, which I must tell you doesn't mean anything sexual to me, then perhaps you shouldn't die so much. That being said, if people feel so strongly about this that it takes up 3 pages of text in the forums, then perhaps they need to try something rated "E" for everyone. This is not the game you're looking for.
There are several themes in the game that I found opposite of my own personal beliefs. However, let's not forget that it isn't our jobs to correct other people's opinions. Everyone thinks they are right. And every person sounds right, until someone comes in and tells the other side of the story.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Soul_Demon wrote: »[snip]
Ask Google or Wikipedia. It's all very well documented.
Any picture or link or text description of the sort will be deleted here.
There is not the slightest doubt as to what T-bagging means, is and simulates.
Here's one of the sources I looked at dealing with the history of teabagging. It covers it both as an sexual act AND as a gaming taunt.
[snip]
Because I do think that these arguments tend to struggle over the fact that its both.
It came from and symbolizes a sexual act.
Its also been a fairly universal PVP taunt for nearly 20 years, even to the point that some Devs want emotes for it in their games.
Now, we can argue back and forth whether its a bad/fine thing that 20 years of PVP gaming has made teabagging commonplace even in games marketed to teens, but that doesn't really change the fact that it has become so, and thus desensitized to a lot of PVP players.
So I see problems on both sides with recognizing context.
The "it's just PVP side" needs to acknowledge the sexual history/nature of the gesture.
And the "it's just sexual assault" side needs to acknowledge the context within PVP gaming.
And ZOS needs to get off the fence. "Its fine until someone gets offended" type enforcement protects no one.
Varanis, you are a married woman. Stop for one second and consider the mechanics of standing, then crouch over someones head, then walk off.....exactly what sexual act does that compare to? You already know the answer. The people who claim this in fact does relate to some specific act they encounter on a regular basis- need therapy and likely are extremely 'pent up' based on the mechanics alone.......
These ridiculous definitions a person can find on the net as well as people simply repeating over an over there is an act of some sort that translates to the normal sexual encounters a person has is absolutely ridiculous and smacks of some desperate basement dwellers reaching for something to be offend about. Its like using Wiki as a source or slang definitions to 'prove' your case.....its something most avoid at all costs. You well know my opinion on this specific issue----but letting someone make up a false reasoning as to why someone does this and then propagate it while making false claims is just a bad idea. There is no end to lies paraded as facts when you let the first one slide for want of less resistance and to take the easier path.
Truth be told, it was the very unsubstantiated definitions of teabagging you mention that made me go looking up the history of it. I found several articles that took a balanced approach to its origins referencing the sexual act in a John Waters film and the use of teabagging as a gamer taunt shortly after as games like Quake 2 introduced real crouch mechanics.
I wish I could link my sources [snip], I think discretion is the better part of valor.
Mods, the linkless versions of my most useful sources are under the spoiler. If these are still a problem, please remove them."Everything You Never Wanted To Know About Teabagging In Video Games" by Whitney Meers on THEGAMER
"How a Simple Video Game Mechanics Became ESports' Most Controversial Insult" by Danny Paez on Inverse
"The Ups And Downs Of Teabagging In Pro Gaming" by Maddy Myers on Kotaku
[Edited to remove Discussing Mod Action]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on September 15, 2020 3:40PM1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Khaleesi8688 wrote: »Not only that but then cutting off friends you got along with for such a trivial thing? I often wonder what life is like for people who have to look for and invent problems instead of having to deal with real ones. I appreciate the insight I suppose. If it is that easy for someone to feel victimized in such a traumatic way, mmo games and the internet in general is probably never going to be a safe place for them.
It has nothing to do with feeling safe or unsafe, nor with being a victim or not.
It has everything to do with what T-bagging says about the person who does it.
Imagine you're out in the woods with a friend and you drink a bottle of Coke. Then this friend throws the bottle away and leaves it in the woods.
This person will not remain my friend. No way.
Same goes with T-bagging in ESO.
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Soul_Demon✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Soul_Demon wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Soul_Demon wrote: »[snip]
Ask Google or Wikipedia. It's all very well documented.
Any picture or link or text description of the sort will be deleted here.
There is not the slightest doubt as to what T-bagging means, is and simulates.
Here's one of the sources I looked at dealing with the history of teabagging. It covers it both as an sexual act AND as a gaming taunt.
[snip]
Because I do think that these arguments tend to struggle over the fact that its both.
It came from and symbolizes a sexual act.
Its also been a fairly universal PVP taunt for nearly 20 years, even to the point that some Devs want emotes for it in their games.
Now, we can argue back and forth whether its a bad/fine thing that 20 years of PVP gaming has made teabagging commonplace even in games marketed to teens, but that doesn't really change the fact that it has become so, and thus desensitized to a lot of PVP players.
So I see problems on both sides with recognizing context.
The "it's just PVP side" needs to acknowledge the sexual history/nature of the gesture.
And the "it's just sexual assault" side needs to acknowledge the context within PVP gaming.
And ZOS needs to get off the fence. "Its fine until someone gets offended" type enforcement protects no one.
Varanis, you are a married woman. Stop for one second and consider the mechanics of standing, then crouch over someones head, then walk off.....exactly what sexual act does that compare to? You already know the answer. The people who claim this in fact does relate to some specific act they encounter on a regular basis- need therapy and likely are extremely 'pent up' based on the mechanics alone.......
These ridiculous definitions a person can find on the net as well as people simply repeating over an over there is an act of some sort that translates to the normal sexual encounters a person has is absolutely ridiculous and smacks of some desperate basement dwellers reaching for something to be offend about. Its like using Wiki as a source or slang definitions to 'prove' your case.....its something most avoid at all costs. You well know my opinion on this specific issue----but letting someone make up a false reasoning as to why someone does this and then propagate it while making false claims is just a bad idea. There is no end to lies paraded as facts when you let the first one slide for want of less resistance and to take the easier path.
Truth be told, it was the very unsubstantiated definitions of teabagging you mention that made me go looking up the history of it. I found several articles that took a balanced approach to its origins referencing the sexual act in a John Waters film and the use of teabagging as a gamer taunt shortly after as games like Quake 2 introduced real crouch mechanics.
I wish I could link my sources, but since the last link got snipped, I think discretion is the better part of valor.
Mods, the linkless versions of my most useful sources are under the spoiler. If these are still a problem, please remove them."Everything You Never Wanted To Know About Teabagging In Video Games" by Whitney Meers on THEGAMER
"How a Simple Video Game Mechanics Became ESports' Most Controversial Insult" by Danny Paez on Inverse
"The Ups And Downs Of Teabagging In Pro Gaming" by Maddy Myers on Kotaku
Ah, gotcha. Thought it was a bit different than I am used to seeing with your posting, I see now it was my misinterpretation of what you were suggesting
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Earthewen✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Khaleesi8688 wrote: »Not only that but then cutting off friends you got along with for such a trivial thing? I often wonder what life is like for people who have to look for and invent problems instead of having to deal with real ones. I appreciate the insight I suppose. If it is that easy for someone to feel victimized in such a traumatic way, mmo games and the internet in general is probably never going to be a safe place for them.
It has nothing to do with feeling safe or unsafe, nor with being a victim or not.
It has everything to do with what T-bagging says about the person who does it.
Imagine you're out in the woods with a friend and you drink a bottle of Coke. Then this friend throws the bottle away and leaves it in the woods.
This person will not remain my friend. No way.
Same goes with T-bagging in ESO.
It is so easy to take offense at every little thing.
I think the main problem here is that people want to be right. They'd rather be right than think about the people they are talking to. If tea-bagging offends you, as I said earlier, then do you not realize there are much more important problems in your life that you might be using this tiny thing to avoid? If you feel victimized by a bunch of pixels on your screen, then a trip to your therapist is overdue. I mean this in the nicest way I can I say it without malice.
Another point I would like to make is that there are a ton of TOS infractions that happen every single day in ESO. Minute by minute, people all over the place break the TOS by macro-ing, using cheat engine, etc. These issues are far more worth our time than discussing the right and wrong of a simple braggart tea-bagging.
You simply must assign nefarious motives to a tea-bag in order to call it breaking the TOS. Not everyone sees it as a nefarious thing. Sometimes, it's just a friend on the other faction saying, "HI!!! I got you!!! LMAO!" Do we ban them for that?3 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is so easy to take offense at every little thing.
*sigh*.. You haven't read anything of what I wrote now, have you ? It has nothing to do with being or feeling offended.
I cannot have any sort of constructive argumentation with someone who doesn't read.
Btw, I don't really care whether T-bagging is within the rules or not. And I don't care about cheat engine users either, and I don't give a damn if they're sanctioned, banned or left alone. They're imho far less crucial issues than T-bagging, so, you see, to each their own, and frankly you should not try and tell other people what their priorities should or should not be.
I am still free to think what I think about T-bagging, and I am also free to choose my friends. These are not defined by any sort of TOS.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on September 15, 2020 3:24PM2 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »If people continue to hide behind excuses to allow humiliating another player with T-bagging, then the final recourse should be that they prove they didn't do it when they are reported.
This puts the onus on players to avoid the behavior completely.
Once or twice maybe they'll let you get away with "it was an accident / incidental". Too many times and you should be permanently banned because it starts to show a pattern of trying to get around the TOS.
Same with pets blocking stations. If it's there too long, don't care whether it was intentional or not. Just give them a suspension so they'll be careful next time by putting away their pet proactively.
I saw you t-bag someone and I can get 3 people to also say the same thing. Now prove you didn't.
Screenshot? Video? If you don't even have a screenshot, you don't even have a report to begin with. How about you use some common sense? People defending teabagging seem to have a severe lack of that.
If you have a video or screen that they can look at, and if it looks like you are teabagging, then you are teabagging.
Too many warnings and you get a suspension since by that point it's likely you are doing it on purpose.
Don't care if you personally think it's teabagging or not, or if you personally intended it or not, or whatever. If they see your toon doing it, that's all they should need to take action.
Seriously... all these people who t-bagged now are so scared shitless that they will be banned retroactively. And they'll say anything to make this go away. Same as with every cheat or exploit that shows up on the forums.
How about they just not accept the TOS to begin with because they obviously don't agree with it.
If you don't think it's against TOS, don't bother arguing here. Just go ahead and do it and get reported. If you think it's completely innocent, you have nothing to worry about if ZOS is reasonable, right?
You stated you want people to prove they didn't do anything. If multiple people report you did, isn't that proof.
My disagreement with you is not if t-bag is offensive. It is with your statement, prove your innocence. That can lead to an extremely toxic environment.Edited by Ackwalan on September 15, 2020 3:34PM1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Soul_Demon wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Soul_Demon wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Soul_Demon wrote: »I have some quite serious concerns about you and of anyone who would claim this is fact and furthermore would love to know what the specific act is you think this simulates specifically.
Ask Google or Wikipedia. It's all very well documented.
Any picture or link or text description of the sort will be deleted here.
There is not the slightest doubt as to what T-bagging means, is and simulates.
Here's one of the sources I looked at dealing with the history of teabagging. It covers it both as an sexual act AND as a gaming taunt.
[snip]
Because I do think that these arguments tend to struggle over the fact that its both.
It came from and symbolizes a sexual act.
Its also been a fairly universal PVP taunt for nearly 20 years, even to the point that some Devs want emotes for it in their games.
Now, we can argue back and forth whether its a bad/fine thing that 20 years of PVP gaming has made teabagging commonplace even in games marketed to teens, but that doesn't really change the fact that it has become so, and thus desensitized to a lot of PVP players.
So I see problems on both sides with recognizing context.
The "it's just PVP side" needs to acknowledge the sexual history/nature of the gesture.
And the "it's just sexual assault" side needs to acknowledge the context within PVP gaming.
And ZOS needs to get off the fence. "Its fine until someone gets offended" type enforcement protects no one.
Varanis, you are a married woman. Stop for one second and consider the mechanics of standing, then crouch over someones head, then walk off.....exactly what sexual act does that compare to? You already know the answer. The people who claim this in fact does relate to some specific act they encounter on a regular basis- need therapy and likely are extremely 'pent up' based on the mechanics alone.......
These ridiculous definitions a person can find on the net as well as people simply repeating over an over there is an act of some sort that translates to the normal sexual encounters a person has is absolutely ridiculous and smacks of some desperate basement dwellers reaching for something to be offend about. Its like using Wiki as a source or slang definitions to 'prove' your case.....its something most avoid at all costs. You well know my opinion on this specific issue----but letting someone make up a false reasoning as to why someone does this and then propagate it while making false claims is just a bad idea. There is no end to lies paraded as facts when you let the first one slide for want of less resistance and to take the easier path.
Truth be told, it was the very unsubstantiated definitions of teabagging you mention that made me go looking up the history of it. I found several articles that took a balanced approach to its origins referencing the sexual act in a John Waters film and the use of teabagging as a gamer taunt shortly after as games like Quake 2 introduced real crouch mechanics.
I wish I could link my sources, but since the last link got snipped, I think discretion is the better part of valor.
Mods, the linkless versions of my most useful sources are under the spoiler. If these are still a problem, please remove them."Everything You Never Wanted To Know About Teabagging In Video Games" by Whitney Meers on THEGAMER
"How a Simple Video Game Mechanics Became ESports' Most Controversial Insult" by Danny Paez on Inverse
"The Ups And Downs Of Teabagging In Pro Gaming" by Maddy Myers on Kotaku
Ah
gotcha. Thought it was a bit different than I am used to with your posting, I see now it my misinterpretation of what you were suggesting
Yeah, someone teabagging me doesn't bother me personally. I don't have experience with PVP games like Halo or Counterstrike, so my experience with teabagging in ESO has always been as a general gamer taunt or good-natured ribbing between guildmates.
So I decided I'd research its history, because apparently researching stuff is like catnip to me.
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SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Seriously... all these people who t-bagged now are so scared ******** that they will be banned retroactively. And they'll say anything to make this go away. Same as with every cheat or exploit that shows up on the forums.
I seriously doubt they would go back and retroactively ban anyone for anything they let go in the first place, and they shouldn't. I also think there should be a warning before a ban. Not everyone reads the forums, and how many read the entire ToS before saying "I agree"? So a warning would be more appropriate for a first offense.
But whichever side of the debate you are on, there is something wrong with this behavior or there would be no debate over it in the first place. So why not change it?
Why not do a /cheer emote or some other positive emote after a good PvP battle, to congratulate yourself? This acknowledges that you played well and were victorious, without targeting another player and making them feel humiliated in the process.
Your playing well and winning isn't dependent on making someone else feel bad.PCNA1 -
Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ZOS_ConnorG wrote: »Greetings all,
After review we have had to edit or remove multiple posts for a variety of rule violations. Please keep in mind our Community Rules and Code of Conduct so that this thread remains civil, constructive, and within the rules. This will allow the discussion to continue and the thread to remain open.
You are welcome to review the Community Rules here and the Code of Conduct here.
@ZOS_ConnorG Okay, clearly y'all are reading this post, could you please, pretty please, just answer my question so people can quit using my "asking the devs a very simple yes or no question" thread to fight? I've lost enough faith in humanity already, thanks. Will you please just tell me in simple layperson's (not legalese) language whether teabagging is allowed or not?
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Earthewen✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_ConnorG wrote: »Greetings all,
After review we have had to edit or remove multiple posts for a variety of rule violations. Please keep in mind our Community Rules and Code of Conduct so that this thread remains civil, constructive, and within the rules. This will allow the discussion to continue and the thread to remain open.
You are welcome to review the Community Rules here and the Code of Conduct here.
@ZOS_ConnorG Okay, clearly y'all are reading this post, could you please, pretty please, just answer my question so people can quit using my "asking the devs a very simple yes or no question" thread to fight? I've lost enough faith in humanity already, thanks. Will you please just tell me in simple layperson's (not legalese) language whether teabagging is allowed or not?
I agree, @Minyassa . Everything that is in the light is always better. I for one do not tea-bag and my entire guild which I am GM of is prohibited from doing so as well. There isn't really any honor in it. That being said, I do think the meaning of it is simple bragging. However, without a clear definition, it can be left up to one's own interpretation.
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Earthewen✭✭✭✭✭Why can't you just not do it?
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This is the problem that seems to persist throughout not just this community, but overall. Everyone is entitle to their own opinion and no opinion should outweigh another. The problem comes in when one school of thought tries to silence the other school of thought. It promotes resentment and discord.
I don't object if tea-bagging is in the TOS (however, it should be clarified). What I object to is someone telling me what to think about it. I don't see it as a sexual act. Not at all. Some people do. That's okay. Not everyone is going to agree with each other and that's okay, too. But let's not forget that honest debate isn't wrong or offensive. Don't mistake honest debate with being unkind. Just don't assume that I am being unkind because I disagree with you. Kindness doesn't a thing to do with it.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on September 15, 2020 6:05PM3 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't see it as a sexual act.
By its definition, teabagging is a sexual act. Whether the person doing it sees it as a sexual doesn't matter. The act itself is sexual and that is what they are simulating. Their reason for teabagging doesn't change what it is.
Also, if the definition is too graphic to post on the forum, then the act is too graphic to perform in game.
Edited by SilverBride on September 15, 2020 5:32PMPCNA4 -
Earthewen✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I don't see it as a sexual act.
By its definition, teabagging is a sexual act. Whether the person doing it sees it as a sexual doesn't matter. The act itself is sexual and that is what they are simulating. Their reason for teabagging doesn't change what it is.
Also, if the definition is too graphic to post on the forum, then the act is too graphic to perform in game.
Again, I disagree with you. It is not sexual at all. Nothing can change that. And again, I maintain that this is a rated "M" game that include the following warnings: (taken from the ESRB Ratings Guide)
Mature 17+ (that means ages 17 and over)
Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
@SilverBride - One thing we do not need in the forums or even in game is morality police in a game that supposedly is all adults. We are all adults here and should behave as such. Our guild prohibits tea-bagging. I believe in honor as does my co-GM. However, it is never the right thing to do to push my personal convictions off on someone else. That is never okay. If someone sees no problem with this, why should they have to ascribe to another school of thought?
Just for the record, I do believe in a biblical moral compass. But I am not about to judge someone else's motives or convictions. I do not agree that this is a sexual act nor does it copy anything sexual I've ever seen. As I stated earlier, if you are so offended by something you view as sexual in an MMO that another player is doing, perhaps this isn't the game for you. Trying to control someone else's thoughts or behavior isn't acceptable.Edited by Earthewen on September 15, 2020 5:50PM2 -
Earthewen✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »
If they don't ban people for cheating, why would they ban someone for something as petty as a tea-bag? So far, ZOS has remained silent on this, so that tells me that it isn't as big a deal as this forum is making it out to be.2 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭They should add more free emotes. Like I got an idea. What if they had one where I drop a skull on the ground and crush it under my foot. That would give me the same insulting nature. Or what about a decapitation emote where you slit your throat at the enemy. So many options.
But seriously point down is needed. I read online it might exist but I couldn't find it in the emotes list.PvP needs more love.1 -
Khaleesi8688✭✭✭✭You aranitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Khaleesi8688 wrote: »Not only that but then cutting off friends you got along with for such a trivial thing? I often wonder what life is like for people who have to look for and invent problems instead of having to deal with real ones. I appreciate the insight I suppose. If it is that easy for someone to feel victimized in such a traumatic way, mmo games and the internet in general is probably never going to be a safe place for them.
It has nothing to do with feeling safe or unsafe, nor with being a victim or not.
It has everything to do with what T-bagging says about the person who does it.
Imagine you're out in the woods with a friend and you drink a bottle of Coke. Then this friend throws the bottle away and leaves it in the woods.
This person will not remain my friend. No way.
Same goes with T-bagging in ESO.
If you expect every friend to behave exactly as you want them to, I'm not sure you'd be a very good friend. People have forgotten the old saying "catch more flies with honey than vinegar" I guess. Personally if the exact scenario you put forth happened, I would just pick up the trash myself and start a conversation that has a chance to change someone's thoughts rather than shunning them in an attempt to show how virtuous I am.3 -
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If they don't ban people for cheating, why would they ban someone for something as petty as a tea-bag? So far, ZOS has remained silent on this, so that tells me that it isn't as big a deal as this forum is making it out to be.
That's just speculation.
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Earthewen✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »
If they don't ban people for cheating, why would they ban someone for something as petty as a tea-bag? So far, ZOS has remained silent on this, so that tells me that it isn't as big a deal as this forum is making it out to be.
That's just speculation.
doesn't matter, though, does it. if someone remains silent on an issue, maybe it means they don't care about it as much as the people SHOUTING about it.1
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