Disgusting RnG crown crates rage!

Dusk_Coven

I like the TERA model -- the cash shop has two types of cosmetic items -- RNG boxes where they show you the percentage chance of each item, and the "best" item in that box for sale separately.

LadyNalcarya

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

I like the TERA model -- the cash shop has two types of cosmetic items -- RNG boxes where they show you the percentage chance of each item, and the "best" item in that box for sale separately.

Yeah I agree, if gambling is not going away, they could at least give us options. Imo it would be fair to sell radiants and that sweetroll for gems, even if they would be really expensive. So people would still be able to gamble if they want to, but they wouldnt be punished too hard for being unlucky.
Of course, in a perfect world crates and other lootboxes should be banned, but I really doubt that would happen.

FlopsyPrince

Always open the crates on the same character. That means the skins, mods, emotes will give you Crown Gems after the first one.

Some things go across account, but many are per character, so only open them on a different character if you really want the trash on other characters.

Too bad you can't set a "never want" X flag to avoid having to redeem so many things for gems. Though I agree the drop rate is abysmal for some things.

Self-righteously saying "you chose it" may be true, but is not helpful in the least.

Dojohoda

Yes, the crown crates are cruel if there is an item you want from them. Chances are, you will not get the item you want unless it is a blue item.

Inyhel

This is why lootboxes should be regulated by law.
Not everyone has the capability to act sensibly, especially children. People have been ruined by them. Lootboxes are in fact worse than gambling because at least for the legal definition of gambling in which money is the prize, you actually have the chance of winning equal or more than you what you pay.

With lootboxes you are paying for a digital abstract of subjective value (but mostly rubbish), that you do not own. It's actually ludicrous looking at it from a non-gamer perspective.

But alas, money is generated and the law turns a blind eye to moral decency and common sense.

Casul

Anytime I see a thread like this I remember why I avoid them like the plague.

RageKing

220 of these crown crates and didnt get a radiant apex. They need to add radiant apex to list of things you can buy with gems. I have 3,500 of them and dont care for anything they offer.

Snowgoons

Anne13 wrote: »

Agree ^ that was my problem I set my heart on it which resulted in excessive crate buying and then the realisation after

This is absolute nonsense.

You saw what was a POSSIBILITY which means you knew it was POSSIBLE that you might walk away with nothing.

You decided that in your head = I'm getting a mount.

Lesson learned: never buy crates with the assumption you are getting something out of them.

This isn't just a lesson for ESO this is real life too.

Just cause you CAN win the lotto doesn't mean mortgage your house to buy tickets.

@ZOS since people don't have control you need to put the odds on your crates for the mounts, 1 in 3454443 whatever it is but you need to be upfront apparently.

Miswar

Everyone should know that getting anything (apex etc) from loot boxes are very very unlikely.

They should get rid off them but they wohnt until hopefully law passes which hopefully forthcoming soon.

This loot box is just as bad as it has been with EA or even worse.

Simply do not buy these things and save your money for something useful.

Kosef

Anyone with any kind of sense can plainly see that the crown store is a rip off in general. First the pricing on most of the items are ridiculously over priced. The new vampire house...14k crowns. That is ludicrous. The items that aren't even requiring crystals are over priced. The idea behind the crystals is just a trap. If you fall for it..that is on you. I though SWTOR had a bad loot box system..this is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY worse lol.

Kiralyn2000

RageKing wrote: »

220 of these crown crates and didnt get a radiant apex. They need to add radiant apex to list of things you can buy with gems. I have 3,500 of them and dont care for anything they offer.

Of course, they came up with the Radiant Apex mounts in the first place because they wanted something people couldn't get with gems. Because the Uber Whales had gotten so many gems in the first few crate seasons that they had no need to buy any crates at all from the following ones - they could just get everything with their thousands of gems.

(tl;dr - the whole point of "Radiant Apex" is that you can't buy them with gems)



Whether that's good or not is an entirely different debate.

kmcaj

Dude you stopped to soon. You're just a purchase or few away from getting it. Keep going.

Banana

Catered lunch at zos on you today

West93

I don't understand why anyone would obsess over mount.

Lord-Otto

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

RageKing wrote: »

220 of these crown crates and didnt get a radiant apex. They need to add radiant apex to list of things you can buy with gems. I have 3,500 of them and dont care for anything they offer.

Of course, they came up with the Radiant Apex mounts in the first place because they wanted something people couldn't get with gems. Because the Uber Whales had gotten so many gems in the first few crate seasons that they had no need to buy any crates at all from the following ones - they could just get everything with their thousands of gems.

(tl;dr - the whole point of "Radiant Apex" is that you can't buy them with gems)



Whether that's good or not is an entirely different debate.

Not a debate. It's bad. Very, very bad.

volkeswagon

fortunately for me I find all the Radiant apex mounts to be ugly or WAY over priced so I've never wanted one but I understand. I wish they would get rid of crates. Doing so would show some social responsibility on their part by realizing they are contributing to gambling addiction.

radiostar

I imagine the bigwigs at Z having brunch together over Zoom, half enjoying Bloody Marys, half sipping Mimosas, chatting each other up and laughing to high heaven!

NotaDaedraWorshipper

I don't even understand why people want those ugly things.

Lylith

redlink1979 wrote: »

Gambling: the odds always benefits the house...

particularly when the house risks nothing other than imaginary rewards but rakes in real money with every transaction.

EmEm_Oh

I got an idea.

Radiant Apex Gems!

Ravensilver

I've bought crates when I felt that what they offered was something I might like to have. The Psijic ones, for example, I splurged on when they first came out. Not this time, though...
I saw nothing in the Nightmare crates that appealed to me in the slightest, so I haven't bought them. I understand the lure, and it's difficult to restrain yourself sometimes, if there's something really shiny in there... And it's very frustrating when you blow a lot of money on these and then don't get what you had set your heart on.

I would also much rather that they offered *all* crate contents for sale for gems. I know I would have invested in a few more crates, just to get the gems, if I could have bought a sweetroll or a Radiant Apex mount for them instead.

It will be interesting to see whether the EU will continue with the investigation of loot crates as gambling, and whether we will end up with a, for the companies selling them, detrimental ruling for the EU...

CompM4s

Im just glad you spent gold to get crates.

mystkldrgnb14_ESO

No it isn't right.

You should never spend more money on gambling then you are willing to lose.

You should never spend more money on an RNG unless you're ok with not getting what you want in the end.

Unless you're ok with that - you are right. You shouldn't have spent it.

hexnotic

N/A

CelestialSlayer

What i am more disappointed about is that Zenimax seem to have no concern for the addictiveness of this to their gamers. Gambling addiction is a serious mental health issue, and the fact that you have been able to spend such absurd amounts of money on absolutely nothing of worth because of the gambling aspect does call into question the ethics of Zenimax. I believe these kind of practices need to be regulated more and the health and well being of all players needs to be taken more seriously. Not just in this game, but all games that have loot boxes and gambling as part of their revenue generation.

_adhyffbjjjf12

CelestialSlayer wrote: »

What i am more disappointed about is that Zenimax seem to have no concern for the addictiveness of this to their gamers. Gambling addiction is a serious mental health issue, and the fact that you have been able to spend such absurd amounts of money on absolutely nothing of worth because of the gambling aspect does call into question the ethics of Zenimax. I believe these kind of practices need to be regulated more and the health and well being of all players needs to be taken more seriously. Not just in this game, but all games that have loot boxes and gambling as part of their revenue generation.

CelestialSlayer wrote: »

What i am more disappointed about is that Zenimax seem to have no concern for the addictiveness of this to their gamers. Gambling addiction is a serious mental health issue, and the fact that you have been able to spend such absurd amounts of money on absolutely nothing of worth because of the gambling aspect does call into question the ethics of Zenimax. I believe these kind of practices need to be regulated more and the health and well being of all players needs to be taken more seriously. Not just in this game, but all games that have loot boxes and gambling as part of their revenue generation.

This isn't gambling for money where the prospect is winning more money, this is rolling a dice for some cosmetic pixels that you dont need to play the game. The mistake is that some people don't understand probability and don't take responsibility for their own actions.

CelestialSlayer

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

CelestialSlayer wrote: »

What i am more disappointed about is that Zenimax seem to have no concern for the addictiveness of this to their gamers. Gambling addiction is a serious mental health issue, and the fact that you have been able to spend such absurd amounts of money on absolutely nothing of worth because of the gambling aspect does call into question the ethics of Zenimax. I believe these kind of practices need to be regulated more and the health and well being of all players needs to be taken more seriously. Not just in this game, but all games that have loot boxes and gambling as part of their revenue generation.

CelestialSlayer wrote: »

What i am more disappointed about is that Zenimax seem to have no concern for the addictiveness of this to their gamers. Gambling addiction is a serious mental health issue, and the fact that you have been able to spend such absurd amounts of money on absolutely nothing of worth because of the gambling aspect does call into question the ethics of Zenimax. I believe these kind of practices need to be regulated more and the health and well being of all players needs to be taken more seriously. Not just in this game, but all games that have loot boxes and gambling as part of their revenue generation.

This isn't gambling for money where the prospect is winning more money, this is rolling a dice for some cosmetic pixels that you dont need to play the game. The mistake is that some people don't understand probability and don't take responsibility for their own actions.

You don’t need to win money for it to be considered gambling. But I get your point, but all gambling addicts fail at self control as do most addicts. Doesn’t invalidate my point though.

Dusk_Coven

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Always open the crates on the same character. That means the skins, mods, emotes will give you Crown Gems after the first one.

Some things go across account, but many are per character, so only open them on a different character if you really want the trash on other characters.

What types of items are Character Bound?

scorpius2k1

IMHO crates and a microtransactions make what an otherwise cool cosmetic completely boring pretty quick after the shininess wears off from the shock factor of getting it at random in exchange for cash. I don't know how many times I've seen someone standing at an enclave or busy area trying to garner attention from their new fancy mount they bought with crates and it doesn't incite the reaction they had hoped for the money they spent getting it. There isn't anything to talk about other than "hey, cool mount" and it's done. Then you see another person that has been able to earn content in the game and there is a lot more interest "where did you get that", etc because they haven't already seen it on the front page of the crown store available "For A Limited Time".

I dunno, earning a radiant apex mount or some of the nice paywall-only stuff from the actual game itself seems like a lot more fun and definitely a rewarding challenge to me. Have some more balance in the game in this area. Keep microtransactions because ZoS has to keep a cash stream, but why not put more IN the game? I have to wonder, how much busier would a lot of the emptier zones and areas be in the game if there was actually incentive to play them. Look what happens to zones when an event is going on for example, and that is to EARN stuff from the game. What about the highly lackluster questing rewards (you know, the common little bit of gold and some useless gear for completing a quest if you are already max level or aren't a completionist). How much more engaging would ESO be if there was more to earn from the game itself? Think about how rewarded you feel when you FINALLY get that trial/arena gear set, or complete a skill line for the first time. That's what I'm talking about. It makes a huge difference in the depth of the game vs a shallow crate/microtransaction. Seems like such a waste of potential and time spent in the company creating all the content if they aren't going to utilize it as much as possible. I would hope player engagement, interest, and retention are what should matter most. Without that, who will be left to buy anything from the storefront? Seems a bit dangerous to depend on one area to keep things afloat, one which is volatile and unpredictable for a product in the longrun.

Let's be honest here, cosmetics are a HUGE part of an MMO so while they technically aren't a necessity it really increases the fun factor by a large factor and reward system for actually playing the game, not to mention QOL. There is a reason the #1 thing sold in online games ARE cosmetics. For me personally though, crates and microtransactions definitely ruin so much in ESO that could actually be some great content and so many other games in general since it's sadly the "acceptable" industry standard practice anymore.

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