I can't make any veteran dungeon because they kick me out for my low CP

A1xe

Hi guys, why everyone thinks you need high CP for Veteran Dungeon? I cant do anything right now. Everytime when i do the 1st boss they kick me w/o reason (i think its because my low cp or dps) now i have 50 cp and at leats 40 cp items and some lvl 50 but i cant get more good items for this reason. Its super annoying. What i can do? Just make random normal?

A1xe

Sry for my bad inglish guys but i am learning

Daemons_Bane

People doing veteran dungeons would probably expect you to be CP160 as a minimum, as that is the max level for gear

Dovakhan

Either don't do Vet dungeons, or join a clan for new people.

WrathOfInnos

Keep trying. Most groups aren’t that toxic, you probably just had some bad luck. It won’t take long to get to 160 CP.

Daemons_Bane

Also worthy of note.. You can get max level gear from regular dungeons too So I would advice you to stay in regular mode, until you hit CP160 and get a max lvl gear set

the1andonlyskwex

Level up to CP 160, at least, before PuGing vet dungeons. Maybe I'm slow on the uptake, but I found vet dungeons to be really difficult before I was over about CP 300.

Dovakhan

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Level up to CP 160, at least, before PuGing vet dungeons. Maybe I'm slow on the uptake, but I found vet dungeons to be really difficult before I was over about CP 300.

They are, especially DLC ones. And ESPECIALLY Hardmode bosses.

Alentarlixia

I've never even tried to kick someone cause of low CP.
So, some questions:

What weapons are you wearing?
Which role did you chose when u queued?
How many dps do you do?

Everest_Lionheart

For what it’s worth wait until CP160. A good group will still carry you but you’ll get equipment drops at your CP level including the monster helm at the end. When you hit CP160 those helmets will be too weak for you.

Keep grinding your levels to get to 160, it doesn’t take that long. Then get a good crafted set to match your class and start working on an overland set. You will be glad that you waited just for the proper level monster helm alone.

Nauht

Do the dailies to get to CP160 quick. Use any experience scrolls for those dailies.

Been a while but I remember when I only had 3 or 4 lev50 toons and trying to level up cp, doing the daily dungeon and PvP for each of those 4 with even the 50% exp scroll I would shoot up almost 10 cp levels at those low levels. Could be rose tinted glasses tho.

Point is I remember it not being too difficult to get to 160 at all, it was rather quick.

adilazimdegilx

Try again in cp160. Doesnt really makes sense to do them before 160 anyway, you want your gear drops to be max level or you ll have to farm it again.
Also since you can trade your dungeon items with your group members you are also lowering their chance to complete their sets. So it's also common sense to join veteran dungeons and normal trials after cp160 so everyone has the highest chance to get their desired items.

redspecter23

CP 60 with low level gear is very unlikely to be able to perform well in a vet setting, especially if it's your first character.

Remember, gear can be acquired in places other than dungeons such as crafting or overland.

As others have said, it will be to your benefit to reach cp160+ before taking vet dungeons seriously as you will be at gear cap so the gear you pull will be relevant.

If all you want is gear to level up with, normal dungeons will work fine. Same gear, just blue instead of purple.

And as a final note, pugging is for entertainment value only. Finding friends or guildmates that are like minded will lead to a much more enjoyable dungeon experience.

newtinmpls

I do think that doing random normal stuff in general will help you level.

Purely on an XP/CP note, you might also try doing random Battlegrounds; they will be tough, but you will get nice daily XP from them.

Radiance

I ran a vet dung as a Healer the other day with a 123 CP and 44 CP DPS and we ended with me doing 57% DPS and still 78% Healing done... But most people are not as patient as I am.

If you are a hinderance to a group you will be kicked and rightfully so but don't take it personally, This is a group effort and everybody's time is just as important to them.

Until you reach 160 CP, there really is no point in going into a vet dungeon as everyone else has said, you don't even get to keep your gear until you hit that mark and you get the same EXP in normal as running vet....

Jeremy

A1xe wrote: »

Hi guys, why everyone thinks you need high CP for Veteran Dungeon? I cant do anything right now. Everytime when i do the 1st boss they kick me w/o reason (i think its because my low cp or dps) now i have 50 cp and at leats 40 cp items and some lvl 50 but i cant get more good items for this reason. Its super annoying. What i can do? Just make random normal?

Sadly you are going to run into groups like this. Getting higher CP is no guarantee either. If you have lower end DPS a lot of groups are going to kick you regardless of your CP levels. But at least they waited until after the first boss to kick you. That's more of a chance than they give a lot of people I've seen.

If you plan on running a lot of Veteran Dungeons through the activity finder you may want to work on getting your damage output higher to spare yourself the annoyance. Otherwise this is probably going to be something you'll have to deal with more often than you'd like.

volkeswagon

join a guild and group with them.

max_only

People also trade drops and if you’re under cp160 your drops are useless to them.
Because of armor trading, Cp 160 really is the bare minimum. Cp 300 is the preferred minimum.

Aznarb

VDG should be locked for CP160+

90% of the time low level don't have the DPS requirement to make it. (GL with no DPS in fungal grotto 2 (second boss) or Banished cell 2 (last boss, especially HM) for exemple.

Also like said before, below CP 160, your gear are trash and if people are farming you'll not be useful to them.
Take your time, learn the game, I know from experience people of your level are very bad runing everywhere and spamming auto-atk / spammable doing close to no damage.
Not a problem in Normal but in Vet if their is not and experienced healer and/or DDs to carry you, it's just a waste of time tbh.

The worst if for the Tank, you just have no idea how it is to have a groupe with 0 DPS when you're tank, unlike healer who can just switch gear and skill and be decent DD, Tank can't. That a big part of why Tank don't pug that much.

Stick to normal, keep farming CP160, then farm overland/craft gear. Read tutorial about DPS in ESO (it's NOT easy despite what normal and overland let you think) you don't need the insane 90k+ DPS than some DD I play with can achieve, but a little 15k is totally doable at your level and gonna be totally enough for the majority of base DG (for DLC aim for 30k, really, some DLC are very hard or just impossible w/o a decent DPS, read some dungeon strat and go back trying them in good condition.
The experience gonna be better for you and your team.

TL:DR : Don't try to skip, 1st be 160, farm easy gear (overland, normal DG, craft) learn how to DD a bit => start vet.

I've start vDG at CP300 cuz I didn't want to slow down the group when I was new, my only "regret" was to have use "random GF" and end up in Skyscaller (very hard in vet for beginner), hopefully the group was good, they teached me and we done it.
Take care of this when you hit CP300, you'll be able to do vDLC, but it's ten time harder to the other vDG from the base game.
But now I love doing them with all the little success that you can get like no death, speed, HM, all 3 in same time etc.. Nice little challenge !

Take your time, you'll do it OP.

Dusk_Coven

A1xe wrote: »

Hi guys, why everyone thinks you need high CP for Veteran Dungeon?

Which one? The problem with simply saying "veteran dungeon" is there are veteran dungeon versions for all the normal dungeons. And in the normal dungeons you can tell that some are very easy, others are very hard.
So a veteran Fungal Grotto 1 might still be very easy and no reason to kick anyone for dungeon difficulty as the only reason.

Grandchamp1989

There's honestly not much for you in VET DLC at cp 50.

The gear itself is useless for you as it's low level
you wear underleveled gear
people WILL have to carry you

As people said, wait for CP160 minimum.

Radka

Non DLC dungeons shouldnt be a problem even with low cp, some pugs are just idiots. Happened to me too some time ago, someone tried to kick one of the guys but vote failed. We did fine at the end...Keep trying and if you havent, definitely join a guild.

drakthir

Agree with everyone else, you gotta farm until 160, then any gear you get will be properly usable.
Although i will say i wouldn't even queue for vets as a CP 160 dps, as a healer sure but as a dps you are missing so many dmg buffs with your low cp.

Alienoutlaw

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Ratinira

Why do you want to do vet? Ist it useless for cp 50?

99% is that you dont have enough DPS and knowledge for vet dungeon. And 99,9% you are absolutely useless at HM. So they get rid of ballast.

If you want to do vet dungeon (why?) then join guild and ask them to do dungeon for you.

pink_panther

Man it's so simple. Run normal dungeons until you are cp 160+.

Continue to run normal dungeons and collect the blue pieces there they scale to cp 160....

Then upgrade them to purple quality. Do not enter vet dungeons before you are cp 160 and wear at least 2 full sets.

The drops in normal dungeons are the same as in veteran dungeons!!! The only difference is the gear quality but you can upgrade the normal gear to the same quality as the veteran gear Plus you can only get monster sets in vet.

Please just don t go into vet dungeons until you can hit for at least 25 k on a iron atronarch dummy.

madarame_77

What role are you playing? If you are dps, install combat metrics and check your damage percentage. If you do 10-20 percent of group damage, no wonder they kick you, because that's essentially a carry run.

deleted221106-002999

Tanks are usually fine in non-dlc vet dungeons provided gear is close to cp level OR they are familiar with the dungeon (good example would be someone who is switching servers may have max cp on their principal server but low cp on the new one).

Healers can function ok at lower cp as pure healers, too, but would be getting carried more than low cp tank in my experience.

The issue is damage dealers with sub 160cp as their gear and champion points really do matter. While an experienced player would be able to make it work, be survivable etc their damage would be low and they will be squishy.

I generally resist kick-votes based on low cp for others but have been on receiving end when switching servers, despite having good knowledge of mechanics etc - but it is what it is. Often players are looking for gear and your sub c160 is kind of a waste to be fair.

If you're trying to run these for undaunted probably best to pre-form a group; try to go into something like veteran fungal grotto 1 with a sub-c160 group and you'll likely quickly see why you are being kicked.

Otherwise just grind out to cp160 then you should be good to go with some basic crafted or trader bought gear suitable for your role.

Magdalina

If it's after first boss, it's likely less of CP issue and more if your performance in the chosen role issue. And yes, contrary to the popular opinion here, you can absolutely fo enough dps, heals or tanking at whatever CP, but you likely don't have enough knowledge/experience.

What build are you using? Random gear, even of your level, won't really do for group content, let alone vet group content - craft, or have someone craft you some set gear, look up which sets are decent for your build (alcasthq.com has some nice guides with gear options for beginners, can start from there, though don't bother with dropped gear until you're CP 160, you'll outlevel it too fast).

How much dps are you doing? You can see it via add-on or if you're on console, you'll have to check at a target dummy (if you don't have one, check around, one of your friends or guild might be able to help). If your dps is low (parse results depend on dummy, of you take simple 3 mil one, I'd say at least pull 15k on it. It is low but it will get the job done, although some people might still kicl. If you're below even that, have a long hard look at your rotation (you do have a rotation, right?), again, alcasthq.com has some great tips).

How much health do you have? As a dps, you should generally be sitting somewhere between 16 and 20k with food, below that is likely to get you one-shot, above that is losing too much resource for health.

Also you're not using an ice staff as a damage dealer, are you? Ice staves heavy attacks taunt which is obviously...undesirable unless you're a tank.

Also you are queueing as a dps, right? Healers and tanks have rather different requirements, easier in some way, harder in others.

Tbh at this point most people have run vet dungeons so many times they expect others to have the same experience when they pug and might get annoyed if they don't (personally I'd carry you but not everyone is me. Side note, it's not like there're no CP 810 doing 5k dps out there so CP isn't everything). If you want a more guaranteed group experience, join a newbie-friendly guild and ask them for help.

FrancisCrawford

A1xe wrote: »

Hi guys, why everyone thinks you need high CP for Veteran Dungeon? I cant do anything right now. Everytime when i do the 1st boss they kick me w/o reason (i think its because my low cp or dps) now i have 50 cp and at leats 40 cp items and some lvl 50 but i cant get more good items for this reason. Its super annoying. What i can do? Just make random normal?

Most people don't bother with really good gear until they hit CP 160. You are probably no exception. Low CP are also a problem on their own, especially until CP 300. (Up until that point, adding CP increases your base stats, along with the other benefits.)

But the biggest reason to think you aren't accomplishing much is that they don't kick you until the first boss fight. In other words, they're kicking you for ACTUAL bad performance, not just because they're GUESSING you won't do well.

Question: How well do you do in these dungeons on normal mode? Unless you find a dungeon very easy in normal mode, you will likely struggle in vet.

I'm CP 810, and have been since the first day the cap was that high. I've done most DLC dungeons on normal mode. But I've never gone into one harder than the Imperial City ones on vet

Algorax

A1xe wrote: »

Hi guys, why everyone thinks you need high CP for Veteran Dungeon? I cant do anything right now. Everytime when i do the 1st boss they kick me w/o reason (i think its because my low cp or dps) now i have 50 cp and at leats 40 cp items and some lvl 50 but i cant get more good items for this reason. Its super annoying. What i can do? Just make random normal?

I think that someone's opinion is irrelevant in this case. Truth is that several, if not all vet dugeons, cannot be completed if the group is not fitting the challenge.
This does not mean that you cannot join a veteran run, but the other members will have to compensate for your lesser contribution.

Also keep in mind, when you show this kind of frustration, that you are playing a game version far more friendly to new players than the one it used to be back at the old days.
My suggestion is to not complain, be patient and grind normal gear before demanding higher level equipment: no pain no gain.
You can always join a PvE guild though, and ask for help to some good will veteran who may bring you though some dungeons.