Grifter issue

Belgarionnn

Watch out some players at grahtwood.These players tells you selling people gift from crown store basicly sell crown exchange for gold then convince you to give 3/1 of price of gift first then take your gold and vanish. I reported a player but i dont think eso support take me serious so i want to warn everyone.

I think we need an in-game trade system for prevent grifts

Ragged_Claw

You need to take the name off of your post, not allowed to 'name and shame'. Support should be able to help you out.

Belgarionnn

Ragged_Claw wrote: »

You need to take the name off of your post, not allowed to 'name and shame'. Support should be able to help you out.

Thank you for warning. I wasn't aware of that rule. I edited my post

Skullstachio

It is always a matter of “buyers beware” with that kind of nonsensical drama, if they cannot provide the product to you first, don’t bother. Because, if someone is gonna gift anything, you make sure that they provide The crown store gift to you first, if it is there to be claimed in the receive list, then you send them the requisite gold.

Rule of thumb: if someone asks you for gold first before “giving” something to you, you know it is a scam.

“When someone hands you a silver platter, there is always a catch.“
~Vex. 4th era thieves guild member. Elder scrolls V: Skyrim.

RogueShark

Skullstachio wrote: »

It is always a matter of “buyers beware” with that kind of nonsensical drama, if they cannot provide the product to you first, don’t bother. Because, if someone is gonna gift anything, you make sure that they provide The crown store gift to you first, if it is there to be claimed in the receive list, then you send them the requisite gold.

Rule of thumb: if someone asks you for gold first before “giving” something to you, you know it is a scam.

“When someone hands you a silver platter, there is always a catch.“
~Vex. 4th era thieves guild member. Elder scrolls V: Skyrim.

Problem with this is, generally, buyer does and should go first. It's just as easy to scam crowns from a seller, and crowns are real money. I'd never sell to someone demanding the crowns first and likewise every time I've bought crowns for gold, I always pay gold first.

Best way to avoid scams on any side is only trade with people you know and trust.

To OP: you're going to get an automated response to your ticket that is unhelpful. Just respond to it repeating your problem and concisely asking to get your crowns back. Eventually you should get a real person.

Skullstachio

RogueShark wrote: »

Skullstachio wrote: »

It is always a matter of “buyers beware” with that kind of nonsensical drama, if they cannot provide the product to you first, don’t bother. Because, if someone is gonna gift anything, you make sure that they provide The crown store gift to you first, if it is there to be claimed in the receive list, then you send them the requisite gold.

Rule of thumb: if someone asks you for gold first before “giving” something to you, you know it is a scam.

“When someone hands you a silver platter, there is always a catch.“
~Vex. 4th era thieves guild member. Elder scrolls V: Skyrim.

Problem with this is, generally, buyer does and should go first. It's just as easy to scam crowns from a seller, and crowns are real money. I'd never sell to someone demanding the crowns first and likewise every time I've bought crowns for gold, I always pay gold first.

Best way to avoid scams on any side is only trade with people you know and trust.

To OP: you're going to get an automated response to your ticket that is unhelpful. Just respond to it repeating your problem and concisely asking to get your crowns back. Eventually you should get a real person.

If anything, Crown selling is a bit of a Scum covered double-edged sword, it can go either way.

Lapin_Logic

Skullstachio wrote: »

It is always a matter of “buyers beware” with that kind of nonsensical drama, if they cannot provide the product to you first, don’t bother. Because, if someone is gonna gift anything, you make sure that they provide The crown store gift to you first, if it is there to be claimed in the receive list, then you send them the requisite gold.

Rule of thumb: if someone asks you for gold first before “giving” something to you, you know it is a scam.

“When someone hands you a silver platter, there is always a catch.“
~Vex. 4th era thieves guild member. Elder scrolls V: Skyrim.

This ain't it chief.

You can't expect someone to come home from work, boot steam to buy crowns with his wages, buy you a "Gift" then rely on the honesty of a stranger to hand over gold they aquired from enjoying playing a game/Flipping the market and making the item cost so much gold in the first place.

If you get the contract written in Whisper or /Say (not on voice or external to the game) then ZOS can check the logs and return your Gold, they can't do it the other way round because some items are Consumables (motifs that the person could have crafted gear from and does not care if it is subsequently removed)

Anotherone773

What they need to do is have crown vouchers that are worth 100 crowns and you buy them from the crown store and they are tradeable to other players and can sold on traders. Then when you use the voucher it adds 100 crowns to that account. Or just make crowns themselves tradeable currency like they did with Plex in Eve. Its way better and easier for everyone.

Belgarionnn

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What they need to do is have crown vouchers that are worth 100 crowns and you buy them from the crown store and they are tradeable to other players and can sold on traders. Then when you use the voucher it adds 100 crowns to that account. Or just make crowns themselves tradeable currency like they did with Plex in Eve. Its way better and easier for everyone.

That is a really good idea and huge quality of life improvement if developers do this.

I just lost some gold not a big deal but thing about people who are losing real money to grifters and i heard this happens lots of the time. How do not devs see this issue and react correctly ? It is an incredible unresponsible thing and seeing such things kills all fun i get from the game

nemvar

There used to be a few discord groups that served as "trusted third parties". No idea how effective they are or if they even still exist but it sounded like a neat idea.

Fischblut

I just lost some gold not a big deal but thing about people who are losing real money to grifters and i heard this happens lots of the time.

There is no such thing as "just lost some gold" It takes time and effort to earn gold, so it's just as valuable as real money.
I give gold first only to two old friends nowadays; in all other cases I give gold only after receiving the gift. Most of people agree to that, and new friendships are made as result

One simple thing could make everything safe and easy: we should be able to add crowns to our offer in trade window, just as we can add gold there. It would remove the risk to be scammed for everyone, and open new opportunities - for example, crown exclusive houses could be finally bought for gold

Rake

Just report them

Belgarionnn

Rake wrote: »

Just report them

I report them with screenshots but i get no response from support

"There is no such thing as "just lost some gold" It takes time and effort to earn gold, so it's just as valuable as real money."

It is not completely true in my opinion. You can buy anything with real money in real life but gold is in-game only and easy to get. It does not mean that i defend thieves just saying dont get upset too much

I hope one of the game's team member is reading this and decide to do something about it. ESO needs serious quality of life improvements

EmEm_Oh

NEVER send gold first--especially if somebody is making a "deal" outside of the arrangement.

I understand some say the buyer should do it. Not for me. And the seller generally understands the extra precaution.

I've had a few sellers walk...but then again, I've never been KY'd in the behind, either.

zergbase_ESO

Isn't this a grey area that ZoS ignores for most part as a buyer beware? I am not too sure on it since well I do not buy crowns via gold exchange. Too much risk. Hopefully you get your gold back OP.