A Server Just For Cheaters

karekiz

EQ2 had a Jail Server.

Dunno if its still active <Server not the game>

ForzaRammer

Macro is not even that bad, it gives you perfect LA weave and that's about it, it is just sequential input.

Some of the scripters on the other hand are way worse, auto break free, auto roll dodge against things like onslaught.

And ofc there is also mag chars dodge roll about once every 3-4 seconds and never run out of stam.

Juhasow

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Xologamer wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

Aurrynthea_Drake wrote: »

I am fed up of dealing with cheaters in Cyrodil - you know the ones, they are OBVIOUSLY using macros in combat & exploiting bugs ruthlessly

Because Zos cares so little about the law abiding players experience in game & only care about the money - I have a suggestion: Once someone is caught cheating just throw them onto a server with other cheaters. If they want to cheat then let them play with others who have as little regard for playing fair. They can cheat to their hearts content but then they can't cry foul when another cheater out cheats them!

Just a thought.

I would love to get a better description about these "cheaters".

There is almost nothing you can cheat at in this game. There is the random bug of the month that some players risk their account to abuse, but beyond that there is nothing to really macro that gives an advantage. Look into how to set up a macro, it is all time dependent, which means because of *** server performance no macro will really work. The only possible thing a macro can be used for is something that presses "x" multiple times when you press x. These are used all the time by people abusing the harmony meta.

Even if the servers worked with 40ms delay like most modern games, macro'd combos wont benefit you at all since most pvp rotations are made up on the fly depending on the situation. The game also works on a GCD (global cooldown) system, which means there will always be a set amount of time between light attacks and abilities. The game also buffers inputs for you so the timing isnt intense by any means, generally you can only have 3 inputs in a GCD that are buffered. Compared to alot of fighting games this is really really slow combat. Some games have players achieve perfect frame inputs 1/60 of a second inputs. Eso really only reaches 20/60 of a second, which is really close to the average human reaction time to appeal to the more casual playerbase.

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I am going to assume that there will be comments saying l2p, in this case they are most likely true.

cause u asked... for sure u can cheat ... but the most player writing here never saw a ,,real" cheater
but here for you
ah and before usay these video is 1year old ... all already fixed... no there updatet versions of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH6qdsvALLk

It's funny that all people rioting about cheating in game always link that one particular video. That truly shows how "big" of a problem cheating in ESO is. One person per maybe 1 thousand is using cheats and then suddenly ESO is game full of cheaters. Get real. Everyone is aware cheating exist but 99% of a time people accuse others of cheating and macros they were outplayed in regular fashion or some other non cheating connected things like lag happened but since they don't understand what happened is must be cheating and macros of course.

you do release using a skill that is bugged out is an expolit, so a form of cheating

exploit =/= cheat

you can exploit alot of things that arent cheats.
and using bugged skills isnt always an exploit either

i can use skills on my nb while cloaked and dont come out of cloak dont use cloak on her for now

thats not a bug, thats lag.

and no its not lag i tried it against a trial dummy never came out of cloak t check if it was lag, you need to read the t&c's fully its not what we think but using a bug or expolit zos see's it as cheating, it makes no diff to us what we think, ie: flag flipping had a bug and lots got banned, which became public

Flag flipping had no bug. Get Your facts straight.

Juhasow

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Xologamer wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

Aurrynthea_Drake wrote: »

I am fed up of dealing with cheaters in Cyrodil - you know the ones, they are OBVIOUSLY using macros in combat & exploiting bugs ruthlessly

Because Zos cares so little about the law abiding players experience in game & only care about the money - I have a suggestion: Once someone is caught cheating just throw them onto a server with other cheaters. If they want to cheat then let them play with others who have as little regard for playing fair. They can cheat to their hearts content but then they can't cry foul when another cheater out cheats them!

Just a thought.

I would love to get a better description about these "cheaters".

There is almost nothing you can cheat at in this game. There is the random bug of the month that some players risk their account to abuse, but beyond that there is nothing to really macro that gives an advantage. Look into how to set up a macro, it is all time dependent, which means because of *** server performance no macro will really work. The only possible thing a macro can be used for is something that presses "x" multiple times when you press x. These are used all the time by people abusing the harmony meta.

Even if the servers worked with 40ms delay like most modern games, macro'd combos wont benefit you at all since most pvp rotations are made up on the fly depending on the situation. The game also works on a GCD (global cooldown) system, which means there will always be a set amount of time between light attacks and abilities. The game also buffers inputs for you so the timing isnt intense by any means, generally you can only have 3 inputs in a GCD that are buffered. Compared to alot of fighting games this is really really slow combat. Some games have players achieve perfect frame inputs 1/60 of a second inputs. Eso really only reaches 20/60 of a second, which is really close to the average human reaction time to appeal to the more casual playerbase.

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I am going to assume that there will be comments saying l2p, in this case they are most likely true.

cause u asked... for sure u can cheat ... but the most player writing here never saw a ,,real" cheater
but here for you
ah and before usay these video is 1year old ... all already fixed... no there updatet versions of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH6qdsvALLk

It's funny that all people rioting about cheating in game always link that one particular video. That truly shows how "big" of a problem cheating in ESO is. One person per maybe 1 thousand is using cheats and then suddenly ESO is game full of cheaters. Get real. Everyone is aware cheating exist but 99% of a time people accuse others of cheating and macros they were outplayed in regular fashion or some other non cheating connected things like lag happened but since they don't understand what happened is must be cheating and macros of course.

you do release using a skill that is bugged out is an expolit, so a form of cheating

Using to gain noticable adventage not just using in general. If using skills that have some bugs tied to them would be an exploit ZoS would have to ban 90% of their playerbase. At the end ZoS decides what is and what isn't exploit based on the weight and nature of certain bug.

Fur_like_snow

All these years later and some of you are still blaming Miats even after the API was changed. Smh

Juhasow

Xologamer wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Xologamer wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

Aurrynthea_Drake wrote: »

I am fed up of dealing with cheaters in Cyrodil - you know the ones, they are OBVIOUSLY using macros in combat & exploiting bugs ruthlessly

Because Zos cares so little about the law abiding players experience in game & only care about the money - I have a suggestion: Once someone is caught cheating just throw them onto a server with other cheaters. If they want to cheat then let them play with others who have as little regard for playing fair. They can cheat to their hearts content but then they can't cry foul when another cheater out cheats them!

Just a thought.

I would love to get a better description about these "cheaters".

There is almost nothing you can cheat at in this game. There is the random bug of the month that some players risk their account to abuse, but beyond that there is nothing to really macro that gives an advantage. Look into how to set up a macro, it is all time dependent, which means because of *** server performance no macro will really work. The only possible thing a macro can be used for is something that presses "x" multiple times when you press x. These are used all the time by people abusing the harmony meta.

Even if the servers worked with 40ms delay like most modern games, macro'd combos wont benefit you at all since most pvp rotations are made up on the fly depending on the situation. The game also works on a GCD (global cooldown) system, which means there will always be a set amount of time between light attacks and abilities. The game also buffers inputs for you so the timing isnt intense by any means, generally you can only have 3 inputs in a GCD that are buffered. Compared to alot of fighting games this is really really slow combat. Some games have players achieve perfect frame inputs 1/60 of a second inputs. Eso really only reaches 20/60 of a second, which is really close to the average human reaction time to appeal to the more casual playerbase.

---

I am going to assume that there will be comments saying l2p, in this case they are most likely true.

cause u asked... for sure u can cheat ... but the most player writing here never saw a ,,real" cheater
but here for you
ah and before usay these video is 1year old ... all already fixed... no there updatet versions of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH6qdsvALLk

It's funny that all people rioting about cheating in game always link that one particular video. That truly shows how "big" of a problem cheating in ESO is. One person per maybe 1 thousand is using cheats and then suddenly ESO is game full of cheaters. Get real. Everyone is aware cheating exist but 99% of a time people accuse others of cheating and macros they were outplayed in regular fashion or some other non cheating connected things like lag happened but since they don't understand what happened is must be cheating and macros of course.

i m more of the side saying that we4 dont have a problem but anyone asked for a proof that cheater exist

ah and i copied it right out of a other thread thats why its the same

Person You've responded to was talking about macros not cheats You've shown because in Your original post You were saying about "macros using cheaters" not cheat engine etc using cheaters. He was not saying that You can't cheat but that macros will not benefit You that much in reality. I think You completly missed the point of the comment You've been responding to and Your response was completly out of context. Same goes for Your video. Its not responding to the question You've been asked. Cheats presented in that video are not result of macro. It looks like You don't even know the difference between macros and other cheats.

Kadoin

To be fair, there is, in fact a bug that you can use on necro to insta-kill anyone. I didn't buy Elsweyr, so I don't have necro to test if its still there on live, but considering there were no patch notes and that I saw it happen on live this patch, I will venture to say it's not patched and it won't be long until someone puts 2+2 together.

Juhasow

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

All these years later and some of you are still blaming Miats even after the API was changed. Smh

Remember there are still people saying that animation cancelling and especially light attack weaving is an exploit and cheating.

HalvarIronfist

Been pvping almost daily for 1 year and a half now. Never seen anything that I could call cheating that wasn't a ZOS glitch.

(Such as dying with the chaosball and taking it to spawn.)

Have I been called a cheater? Plenty of times. Do I cheat, or have any knowledge of how to do so? No.

IMHO I don't think macros would even be useful in PVP. There just seems to be no way for me to believe that when you're fighting reactive battles instead of attacking a static target or a boss with few mechanics.

Now, when I receive these hate-tells, they tend to come from one of three types of players. (In my experience.)

1. Bad players who don't know what the hell just hit them. (Not uncommon, and most can be reasoned with.)

2. Very.. "Tryhard" esqe players.. the "I'm the best x in NA/EU and I can never die to THAT!" types. They tend to get very aggressive when they're defeated. (Face it, almost 99.9% of us in here have ran into one of these players.)

3. People who were already tilted by something else. (Another player, lag, etc.) I can't list the countless times I've gotten a whisper saying " HOW DID YOU DO X" when on my screen, nothing seemed out of the ordinary. (Think Lag/Desync/Latency)


There's always this constant argument about who's using PVP macros and who's not. Until there's any solid proof. (Or an anticheat, ETC) you have NO idea that someone could be macroing. It's not like an FPS game where a lowest rank player could set up a macro to control the spray of a gun to be a laser-beam.

Some people are incredibly good, and even if I like to think I'm a good player, there's still others that execute combos and etc much better than I do. Do I say that they're cheating? No. I take my loss and learn from it.

Dusk_Coven

So cheaters would get a server transfer... something that legit players can't get and have been asking for years. Hmm...

xaraan

Players caught cheating should just be banned outright, not sent to a different server.

That said, the players that accuse others are cheating far outnumber the actual cheaters. I'd also start issuing warnings and eventual suspensions for false reporting other players. Too many just jump to cheating because they don't understand something. Whether it's about how desync's work or other little things: saw one player in this thread talking about fighting someone that just vanished when they probably just queued to BG or IC and just jumped in a fight waiting for it to accept, then when it finally kicked in, they vanish - it's not an exploit, they gain nothing from it. Sure it's trolly, but it's not really a 'cheat' IMO.

Granted, we do get bugs that exploiting suddenly becomes a lot more common than just your average cheats, like the rez bug I keep reading about. Again, I'd suspend those players, not just move them to their own server.

Karmanorway

In the last 3 years ive only seen 2 cheaters, 1 was a immortal nb with like 1M% running speed, 2nd was a few days ago, yet another nb with the character name "ExploitingSnipeDesync" which was exactly what he did.

The problem isnt cheaters, they are rare. The problem imho, is that the few cheaters we have can literally cheat openly for everyone to see because they know ZoS dont care. That will inspire other noobs to do the same, just wait and see, its going to be like gta online 😂

Appo

JamieAubrey wrote: »

[snip]

Some are more obvious than others, Last night I saw a Sorc just vanish while being attack by ME and one other, I saw it twice so it wasn't a random encounter and it wasn't an invis pot, its like he Streaked away without the animation

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Iv seen this few times in BGs

Jeremy

Aurrynthea_Drake wrote: »

I am fed up of dealing with cheaters in Cyrodil - you know the ones, they are OBVIOUSLY using macros in combat & exploiting bugs ruthlessly

Because Zos cares so little about the law abiding players experience in game & only care about the money - I have a suggestion: Once someone is caught cheating just throw them onto a server with other cheaters. If they want to cheat then let them play with others who have as little regard for playing fair. They can cheat to their hearts content but then they can't cry foul when another cheater out cheats them!

Just a thought.

I don't like it either. It's a real problem and I wish ZoS would take it more seriously and do something about it.

Get ready for the incoming - because you're probably about to get hit by a storm of people who are going to pretend cheating doesn't exist and that no one uses macros - or if they do use them it doesn't help any. People just use them for no apparent reason it seems.

Jerkling

Ya. It's kinda funny when someone attacks you from max range while you are being in stealth or invisible. Then you're dead and all you ever saw was one attack, but the recap says all the attacks. And when you ask how this is possible it's because they saw you before and stalked you and the attack(s) must have been lagged even though you were watchig a zerg pass by and you saw this person make a b-line straight for you... O_o(f)

Cheaters? Macros? Don't be ridiculous.

phairdon

Do you think DC deserve their own server? Imagine how much better performance would be

Fur_like_snow

What would you even macro in this game? This isn’t Wrath WoW shaman where you needed macros because you had 20+ skills so combining some Into a single macro made sense.

Irfind

Na in Imperial city a lot of players instarezz this days with no other player around (its magic)

Colinr1968

They actually do this in call of duty warzone put all the cheaters in one map let them play each other and on top of that they don't appear on leaderboards and they rest all skills they had

Kiyakotari

Only if you also give me a server just for the jerks who get their jollies camping daily quest objective and griefing the PvE players who've been forced into PvP for tickets by killing them over, and over, and over, and over, and over...when their targets are very obviously never fighting back...and never allowing them to at least interact with the quest objective.

I don't care if someone wants to kill me for the free AP. Heck, in IC when I'm done grabbing up what I need for the quest, I usually offer myself up as willing tribute. (It's the fastest way to get back to base for turn in.) But there's playing, and then there's clearly getting enjoyment out of ruining other people's play experience.

It's this latter part that makes so many PvE players absolutely loathe this event. Most players who are PvE focused aren't interested in competitive play against other players. They don't like it. People who like PvP and PvE enjoy both competitive and cooperative play, and people who play PvP usually do, as well, especially in a game like ESO where being able to pull together in a team is often important, even if the goal of the team is to compete against other players directly. But PvE-only players want either to play solo, or to work with other players to overcome things that the devs have made for them to compete against.

Kadoin

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Macro is not even that bad, it gives you perfect LA weave and that's about it, it is just sequential input.

Some of the scripters on the other hand are way worse, auto break free, auto roll dodge against things like onslaught.

And ofc there is also mag chars dodge roll about once every 3-4 seconds and never run out of stam.

Some mag chars might have 28K+ stam I know I sometimes run 30-34k stam these days because you have to break free 4-5 times never below 23K (unless proc set). After 38K mag, the scaling is crap and worth nothing in PvP anyway for anyone not on sorc and not shield stacking.

kargen27

They do have a campaign for cheaters. It is the below 50 campaign and the cheaters should end up there on their new account because the first was removed.

peacenote

Aurrynthea_Drake wrote: »

I am fed up of dealing with cheaters in Cyrodil - you know the ones, they are OBVIOUSLY using macros in combat & exploiting bugs ruthlessly

Because Zos cares so little about the law abiding players experience in game & only care about the money - I have a suggestion: Once someone is caught cheating just throw them onto a server with other cheaters. If they want to cheat then let them play with others who have as little regard for playing fair. They can cheat to their hearts content but then they can't cry foul when another cheater out cheats them!

Just a thought.

And then charge them extra and use the proceeds to make the non-cheating Cyro less laggy?

FlopsyPrince

JamieAubrey wrote: »

[snip]

Some are more obvious than others, Last night I saw a Sorc just vanish while being attack by ME and one other, I saw it twice so it wasn't a random encounter and it wasn't an invis pot, its like he Streaked away without the animation

[edited to remove quoted content]

That may have been because they queued for Cyrodil (or Imperial City for the reverse) and it finally put them in when they vanished.

I had that happen to me (I was the one who left the battle) when I was doing a 1-on-1 battle in Imperial City yesterday.

Commandment

Aurrynthea_Drake wrote: »

I am fed up of dealing with cheaters in Cyrodil - you know the ones, they are OBVIOUSLY using macros in combat & exploiting bugs ruthlessly

Because Zos cares so little about the law abiding players experience in game & only care about the money - I have a suggestion: Once someone is caught cheating just throw them onto a server with other cheaters. If they want to cheat then let them play with others who have as little regard for playing fair. They can cheat to their hearts content but then they can't cry foul when another cheater out cheats them!

Just a thought.

Proof please

Charon_on_Vacation

L_Nici wrote: »

To use mAcros would need pretty precise adjustions. Macros on a keyboard don't work just like that. They are to fast, no matter what you do even a programmed Macro will only perform the very first skill.

you can easily program all kinds of macros without issues. full rotation pve macros, pvp burst macros and basically whatever the game lets you do in its confines.
if you ever tried to do it yourself and it didn't work, feel free to ask.

Tammany

Xologamer wrote: »

It's funny that all people rioting about cheating in game always link that one particular video. .

Implying every cheater is uploading video with his cheats.
Oh wait, they are not, only very few do, because they know nothing will happen with them.

Funny, before opening video i knew it will be russian.

Zabagad

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

[snip]

Some are more obvious than others, Last night I saw a Sorc just vanish while being attack by ME and one other, I saw it twice so it wasn't a random encounter and it wasn't an invis pot, its like he Streaked away without the animation

[edited to remove quoted content]

That may have been because they queued for Cyrodil (or Imperial City for the reverse) and it finally put them in when they vanished.

I had that happen to me (I was the one who left the battle) when I was doing a 1-on-1 battle in Imperial City yesterday.

Because I was in the same fight as JamieAubrey (at least I guess - bc he never react here after his post) - no, the sorc came back after a short while - so it cannot be that case.
But anyway good to know that - just in case I see some day something like that

Scarkii

barely anyone cheats in this game, miats pvp alerts isnt near as bad as it was back in the day i always see people complaining in zone about people "cheating" and everytime i go fight them they're clearly not i think its more of a l2p issue than people cheating

TequilaFire

phairdon wrote: »

Do you think DC deserve their own server? Imagine how much better performance would be

But when we get there the map will be all red. lol