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A while back there was a thread about no kill no theft characters
Lady_Linux
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I'm on my second no kill no theft toon. the first is level 45 and the second is level 21. the first uses medium armor with magica enchants and all stats to magicka, the second uses light armor with stamina enchants and all stats to stamina. Both are using seducer and night's silence for the two main sets. Currently i am working on the second character (though i am taking the day off for sabbath of course)
You can follow the progress on twitch here:
if you are interested. I will be back online in about 22 and a half hours. There are a few videos there from the last few days if you want to take a look. Toodles.
Edited by Lady_Linux on May 23, 2020 2:08AM You can follow the progress on twitch here:
if you are interested. I will be back online in about 22 and a half hours. There are a few videos there from the last few days if you want to take a look. Toodles.
I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
BTW, I use arch too
BTW, I use arch too
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Sjestenka✭✭✭So, um, what's this about? Doing quests and trying to avoid murder? How's that possible? There are nasty bosses that can't be reasoned with. And waiting for other adventurers to deal with them doesn't sound like pacifist way to me2 -
Houshiki✭✭✭✭From what I'm getting, I'm guessing this is essentially a pacifist run. As in just not fighting yourself, and letting other things or people do the killing if necessary. In all honesty, this actually seems pretty interesting.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭From what I'm getting, I'm guessing this is essentially a pacifist run. As in just not fighting yourself, and letting other things or people do the killing if necessary. In all honesty, this actually seems pretty interesting.
If it relies on other people doing the killing then I don't get the benefit, it's just playing the game normally but mainly in groups and stepping back when any combat is involved, or just acting as a healer - in which case claiming not to kill is really just semantics. If, on the other hand, it involves solo play with no combat at any stage then reaching the level cap while sticking to non-combat gameplay and passive quests will prove quite a challenge so I can see a benefit in that.
The problem I've found with all these different ways of playing is that the challenge turns into a grind because doing things a different way is perfectly doable, it just takes a lot longer. I tried leveling up a character with no class skills utilised, just weapon, armour, and mages/fighters guild skills etc. It was all easily doable but every encounter took longer and it wasn't too long before I abandoned the experiment!3 -
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✭Lady_Linux wrote: »the first uses medium armor with magica enchants and all stats to magicka, the second uses light armor with stamina enchants and all stats to stamina. Both are using seducer and night's silence for the two main sets.
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Unconventional pacifist runs I can get behind, but deliberately ignoring basic game mechanics and even promoting it on twitch and forums, no thanks.
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I originally looked with the perspective of a Dark Souls pacifist run, and then as a Skyrim pacifist run. It is certainly doable as combat isn't everything to the game, but it is a large component to an MMO. For example, you can become a farmer, or some other occupation that exists in the game lore.From what I'm getting, I'm guessing this is essentially a pacifist run. As in just not fighting yourself, and letting other things or people do the killing if necessary. In all honesty, this actually seems pretty interesting.
If it relies on other people doing the killing then I don't get the benefit, it's just playing the game normally but mainly in groups and stepping back when any combat is involved, or just acting as a healer - in which case claiming not to kill is really just semantics. If, on the other hand, it involves solo play with no combat at any stage then reaching the level cap while sticking to non-combat gameplay and passive quests will prove quite a challenge so I can see a benefit in that.
The problem I've found with all these different ways of playing is that the challenge turns into a grind because doing things a different way is perfectly doable, it just takes a lot longer. I tried leveling up a character with no class skills utilised, just weapon, armour, and mages/fighters guild skills etc. It was all easily doable but every encounter took longer and it wasn't too long before I abandoned the experiment!
And while a challenge run can certainly turn into a grind, that's also part of the challenge. Will completing said challenge give you some kind of reward? Or a medal? Or some kind of prize? No, of course, but you can say you did it. In other words, bragging rights.
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✭✭✭✭I tried playing a no-kill character as a result of that thread. I concentrated on the character's story and on remaining true to the no-kill ethic, not just gaming the mechanics. The character started in Bleak Rock, where he managed to do all the quests, and then progressed through Stonefalls. He couldn't do many quests in Stonefalls, but that was OK. He managed to do a few good things against the backdrop of the three banners war.
Problems started once I arrived in Deshaan - The Lodos Plague story. My character was unable to do any of the Sirkamora quests or complete the Narsis story line. My character was unable to help those poor, plague-afflicted people and it was entirely due to his no-kill ethic. It made him feel worse than useless. It felt as if he was making himself compliant in all that suffering by refusing to intervene, refusing to give the help that he so obviously was capable of giving. That felt really bad for me, so I quit the experiment and deleted the character. What good is an ethic if it stops you doing what is obviously the right thing to do.
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✭✭Just curious to those that have tried playing a "no kill" style of character. Is killing the undead, beasts, or monsters allowed or is this off the table for you also?1 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Just curious to those that have tried playing a "no kill" style of character. Is killing the undead, beasts, or monsters allowed or is this off the table for you also?
For me it's off. If you do anything that gives you a kill in character achievements then you can not say with proof that you have no kills..
My first character i did get a kill on my record but i didnt stop playing that toon. i'll go back and finish leveling them up to 50 after i get my other toon there (level 21 now)
As i am playing a night blade (ofc) so i can go invisible when needed, i've chosen to go at it like this: gather skyshards, survey and treasure maps, poi, mundus stone locales, crafting station locales and such 1 zone at a time. When i hit a delve i try to pick up the quest that is often there but i run trough otherwise just for the skyshard and leave. Not focused on questing too much right now but trying to visit everywhere and get all the skyshards i can. I cant group with anyone or i get credit for any kills they make but if i do heal anyone incidentally or otherwise heal someone along the way, i dont get credit for any kills they make. In vvardenfell public dungeon vimy lacroix and neramo can do all the killing for the quest if you heal them only but dont go invisible when they are both down or the quest resets... it does take a little time but it can be done.. It's a rare to find a thing like that but their are quest that invovle killing that have npcs that fight beside you that dont require you to kill to complete.. Also i found when running by dolmens i can close the pinions and get credit for the dolmens without killing.. But straight up trying to focus on quests you could get discouraged quick. I recommend using lots of exp scrolls if you have them. After finishing the alliance zones i hit all the non-alliance zones, then go for the skyshards and all the rest in cyrodiil and imperial city last. Then if i still need to (def will) then i can go after quests for more exp to hit level 50.. This first character i got to level 44 before stopping and leveled up to 45 for 44 just by doing crafting dailies... there are still many go fetch quests that could be done to top off at 50. Level 50 is the goal as i have nearly 700 cp otherwise.
If you feel like taking the challenge, i hope there's something in that that is helpful...I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Also to get the resto staff actvated, since there is a lore book but i cant find it as it is supposed to be there but is never found... kill a bug. it's not a perfect solution but it works and gives no kills on achievements... truly it should be that you just attack a target dummy but the dummy gives a kill on your record. Lastly, there's a quest in eastmarch that suggests you use bees to kill a giant.. dont do that quest. the one kill i have on my record i thought i could use the bees tokill the giant and not get a kill but i was wrong. Using the bee hives def gives a kill on achievements so dont do that. My first toon was used to scope out the limits of what is and isnt possible so i could perfect the thing for the second go around.I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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✭✭I don't think this type of play is for me. All of my char's in one way or another realize that sometimes violence is necessary & some just like to see their enemies driven before them! More power to those of you who enjoy a more pacifistic approach though!1 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Some other useful tidbits... buy psijic line and vampirism from the crown store. That means you have to have earned psijic on another toon first. Both skills lines have skills that are usefull for this run but you cant get either without killing unless you buy them from the crown store... so theres a plug for the crown store. YaY! aahhahahah. Esp psijic skill to heal someone without using magicka, though it only works on one person at a time...I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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After careful consideration (and oh! so much deliberation) we have concluded that you circumstance sounds too much like a l2p issue for it to be just a mere coincidence.1 -
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And that is a very important lesson to learn I reckon. After all, as someone wise once said...RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »...It felt as if he was making himself compliant in all that suffering by refusing to intervene, refusing to give the help that he so obviously was capable of giving. That felt really bad for me, so I quit the experiment and deleted the character. What good is an ethic if it stops you doing what is obviously the right thing to do.
As for me... I have "goody two-greaves" characters and evil characters who'd stab their own granny in the gall bladder for a handful of septims... some would never ever steal (and turn themselves in to the nearest guard if they pick up something by mistake), some rob even the poorest blind... but none of them are total pacifist. That sort of thing just doesn't work in a medieval-ish setting. At best some of my characters are "self-defense only", never striking the first blow, and always trying to sneak past enemies rather then fight them...4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Would sorcerer pets and the Warden bear count as you not killing them? They're your bodyguards and keeping you safe from harm. I can maybe see a no-kill run using these pets to get past a lot of the content.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Would sorcerer pets and the Warden bear count as you not killing them? They're your bodyguards and keeping you safe from harm. I can maybe see a no-kill run using these pets to get past a lot of the content.
When your pets kill it goes on your record as a kill so i wouldnt recommend using pets for a no kill toon.Edited by Lady_Linux on May 23, 2020 3:46PMI simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »
When your pets kill it goes on your record as a kill so i wouldnt recommend using pets for a no kill toon.
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Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »
When your pets kill it goes on your record as a kill so i wouldnt recommend using pets for a no kill toon.
Guessing the same logic applies to the Shadowrend set?
Well you would have to be level 50 and cp 160 to use that set. this is about leveling up on a no kill no theft toon so that really wouldnt be something you could use in this scenario.I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »Also to get the resto staff actvated, since there is a lore book but i cant find it as it is supposed to be there but is never found... kill a bug. it's not a perfect solution but it works and gives no kills on achievements... truly it should be that you just attack a target dummy but the dummy gives a kill on your record. Lastly, there's a quest in eastmarch that suggests you use bees to kill a giant.. dont do that quest. the one kill i have on my record i thought i could use the bees tokill the giant and not get a kill but i was wrong. Using the bee hives def gives a kill on achievements so dont do that. My first toon was used to scope out the limits of what is and isnt possible so i could perfect the thing for the second go around.
The Clockwork City training dummy doesn't count as a kill for achievements and does unlock the resto staff.2 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Lady_Linux wrote: »Also to get the resto staff actvated, since there is a lore book but i cant find it as it is supposed to be there but is never found... kill a bug. it's not a perfect solution but it works and gives no kills on achievements... truly it should be that you just attack a target dummy but the dummy gives a kill on your record. Lastly, there's a quest in eastmarch that suggests you use bees to kill a giant.. dont do that quest. the one kill i have on my record i thought i could use the bees tokill the giant and not get a kill but i was wrong. Using the bee hives def gives a kill on achievements so dont do that. My first toon was used to scope out the limits of what is and isnt possible so i could perfect the thing for the second go around.
The Clockwork City training dummy doesn't count as a kill for achievements and does unlock the resto staff.
Thanks for that. I had always wondered how it was these traingin dummies counted as kills but bugs didnt... Guess i'll focus on that one and try to acquire it next.Edited by Lady_Linux on May 23, 2020 6:00PMI simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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I like what they did there. But they do theft for exp. So i am adding no theft to the mix.... but i am also using armors and healing staff though my light/heavy attacks will be replaced with psijic healing skill to avoid attacking..
A number of NB, Healing Staff, Vamp, and Psijic skills are really useful.I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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✭Playing pacifist is really fun. I had a lvl 3 NB with no kills on her lying around. Decided to take her to lvl 50 when I read the last thread about pacifists. Reason for NB pacifist is fairly easy, permacloaking.
Decided to have her be unarmed since using weapons felt wrong. Most time was spent collecting skyshards, you can get almost every single one in the game without killing anything. Besides that, I maxed her crafting, and then did some "PvP". For crafting, I have a constant stream of enchanting & alchemy master writs. So those accounted for about 20 levels in total.
As for the PvP, well that is the fun part. I didn't slot any attack or group heal abilities except for Concealed Weapon for the movement bonus. Up to lvl 50 I used Night's Silence & Twice Born Star, the latter was changed to Darloc Brae once I hit 50. You can actually do a lot in PvP without attacking someone when you're a NB. Burning enemy sieges, camps, resurrecting other players, repairing walls & doors, scout, standing in ram and flipping flags. I've put her on hold while I try to get my main PvP char to Grand Overlord, but once I have that one I'm gonna play that pacifist a lot.
It takes a certain mind set to enjoy a pacifist, did get a lot of confused whispers why I didn't have any weapons in Cyro, but I have a blast when I play it.
Edit: I have 0 kills on that character, both in PvE and PvP. Even changed the key mapping so she can't attack.Edited by Bucky_13 on May 23, 2020 11:01PM2 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Playing pacifist is really fun. I had a lvl 3 NB with no kills on her lying around. Decided to take her to lvl 50 when I read the last thread about pacifists. Reason for NB pacifist is fairly easy, permacloaking.
Decided to have her be unarmed since using weapons felt wrong. Most time was spent collecting skyshards, you can get almost every single one in the game without killing anything. Besides that, I maxed her crafting, and then did some "PvP". For crafting, I have a constant stream of enchanting & alchemy master writs. So those accounted for about 20 levels in total.
As for the PvP, well that is the fun part. I didn't slot any attack or group heal abilities except for Concealed Weapon for the movement bonus. Up to lvl 50 I used Night's Silence & Twice Born Star, the latter was changed to Darloc Brae once I hit 50. You can actually do a lot in PvP without attacking someone when you're a NB. Burning enemy sieges, camps, resurrecting other players, repairing walls & doors, scout, standing in ram and flipping flags. I've put her on hold while I try to get my main PvP char to Grand Overlord, but once I have that one I'm gonna play that pacifist a lot.
It takes a certain mind set to enjoy a pacifist, did get a lot of confused whispers why I didn't have any weapons in Cyro, but I have a blast when I play it.
Edit: I have 0 kills on that character, both in PvE and PvP. Even changed the key mapping so she can't attack.
That's really awesome... Have you considered buying psijic to replace light and heavy attacks with the healing beam?
So glad to see someone who appreciates the idea as well... have you done any theft at all or have you skipped that as well? Do you have a link to your stream to post for the forums?I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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✭Lady_Linux wrote: »Playing pacifist is really fun. I had a lvl 3 NB with no kills on her lying around. Decided to take her to lvl 50 when I read the last thread about pacifists. Reason for NB pacifist is fairly easy, permacloaking.
Decided to have her be unarmed since using weapons felt wrong. Most time was spent collecting skyshards, you can get almost every single one in the game without killing anything. Besides that, I maxed her crafting, and then did some "PvP". For crafting, I have a constant stream of enchanting & alchemy master writs. So those accounted for about 20 levels in total.
As for the PvP, well that is the fun part. I didn't slot any attack or group heal abilities except for Concealed Weapon for the movement bonus. Up to lvl 50 I used Night's Silence & Twice Born Star, the latter was changed to Darloc Brae once I hit 50. You can actually do a lot in PvP without attacking someone when you're a NB. Burning enemy sieges, camps, resurrecting other players, repairing walls & doors, scout, standing in ram and flipping flags. I've put her on hold while I try to get my main PvP char to Grand Overlord, but once I have that one I'm gonna play that pacifist a lot.
It takes a certain mind set to enjoy a pacifist, did get a lot of confused whispers why I didn't have any weapons in Cyro, but I have a blast when I play it.
Edit: I have 0 kills on that character, both in PvE and PvP. Even changed the key mapping so she can't attack.
That's really awesome... Have you considered buying psijic to replace light and heavy attacks with the healing beam?
So glad to see someone who appreciates the idea as well... have you done any theft at all or have you skipped that as well? Do you have a link to your stream to post for the forums?
I did thieving, mainly in the Daggerfall docks to get Legerdemain to 20 for the sneak passives. Never pick pocketed anyone as that felt like a much more aggressive action. Haven't really done it since it got maxed. I did buy Psijic Order skills for Meditate, Race Against Time & Undo. Since I don't want to use any attacks at all, I don't use Mend Wounds, too high risk of accidentally attacking an enemy for my taste.
Skill bars are:
Main: Leeching Strikes, Concealed Weapon (for the passive), Charging Maneuver, Race Against Time, Shadowy Disguise, Undo
2nd: Lingering Flare, Siege Shield, Resolving Vigor, Phantasmal Escape, Meditate, Undo
Then Steed Mundus for extra speed and health regen, as no weapons means my self heals are pretty weak. It's also a hybrid, with mag & stam over 20k. Main focus is regen & movement speed (jewelry is swift) to help with sneaking. Longfin Pastry as food for extra resources.
Never stream, so no link I'm afaid.
Also never did any of the main quests since there's too much killing involved. There are a couple of dailies that can be done through stealth and no kills, which I do in addition to some dailies in Cyro: scouting missions, keep & resource capture quests.
And yeah, it's pretty amusing to see how many people that get upset about a non violent build. It's just another, highly unusual way of playing the game that is really fun since you do have to go way out of your comfort zone with how you play.Edited by Bucky_13 on May 24, 2020 9:15AM2
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