vMA and vDSA weapons should be upgraded to their Perfected versions. Do you agree?

MLGProPlayer

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

Still no response from Brian on this. Love all the communication from ZOS on changes that more than 85% of the community hate.

SaintSubwayy

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

While I dont support the regrind old content for gear you once had (old vMA setbonis aka "perfected") and since im not playing activly it doesnt bother me for the moment anyways.

However i find these kind of decisions pretty disgusting, and I am not buying the Chapter (which i would have bought only for the new content and stories anyways)

But I finally will get the proof that casual players wont get the "magical" 10kdps gain just because they get the vMA weapons, and that the dps difference is based on a skillgap and not on a gear gap

Nairinhe

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

I'd say it's okay not to upgrade if not for one small detail: when MA weapons were nerfed they were downgraded in players' inventories. So it would only be fair to upgrade them now.

Margha_Ralmoren

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

I have all the Maelstrom weapons plus the Master bow, so sure it would be cool if they were upgraded. If they are not, never mind. I don't want the perfected so bad that I'd regrind everything.
The only thing that would motivate me to set foot into vMA again would be earning a new outfit slot for free for the character I completed it with, and we all know it will never happen

CurvedSwords123

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

How about a reply ZoS? What are you trying to achieve by not just changing current VDSA/VMA weps to perfected versions? Kind of a decision that deserves an explanation no?

I'm a returning player and I bought Greymoor, then I heard about this. I'm fully willing to stop buying if my investment (gold mats/transmute stones) and time (multiple runs of the same content/rng) aren't respected without a FANTASTIC reason.

Axx_Xa

Upgrade weapon vMA vDSA “Perfect” in a crown store near you.

Moose_Scout

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

Posting, hoping devs will speak to this topic.

InfaM

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

I'm still curious to know their "official reason" behind not upgrading the weapons tho, [Snip]

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MurderMostFoul

No, weapons should not upgrade automatically.

It's not a big deal. The perfected versions are slightly better, so grind for them if you want.

Many MMOs make you refarm all of your gear with every expansion. So I wouldn't get too worked up if power creep in ESO has lead to the option of redoing some content to get new, mildly upgraded versions of gear you previously acquired.

The_Nightshade

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

Alright.

You don't need automatically upgrade vMA or vDSA. I don't care anymore.
I've spent more than 1,000 USD since 2016. Enough is Enough. That's it.
So sick and tired of seeing stupid stuff like that. what a dumb patch ever.

You gotta know why ppl got upset. Otherwise, ppl will leave for sure.
really wanna use killer's blade to each one of Dev. and whoever came up with this stupid idea.

Please just GIVE ME A FULL REFUND OF GREYMOOR as requested a few days ago.
NEVER USED AND NEVER PLAYED, so I'm entitled to get a full refund. Please respond.

Wuuffyy

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

Xebov wrote: »

There is no reason to autoupgrade them. Ppl got exactly what they farmed for any many got it years ago. They benefited from farming it. Now that a better version is available ppl beg for free upgrades. Feels lazy to me.

Right. I got what I farmed years ago with roughly the perfected bonus values. They downgraded it. And then reupped it again and gave my version to everyone.

InfaM

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Xebov wrote: »

There is no reason to autoupgrade them. Ppl got exactly what they farmed for any many got it years ago. They benefited from farming it. Now that a better version is available ppl beg for free upgrades. Feels lazy to me.

Right. I got what I farmed years ago with roughly the perfected bonus values. They downgraded it. And then reupped it again and gave my version to everyone.

And you forgot to say that they will call you the lazy one for not being happy to go farm the new version of your already earned and nerfed (to normal) veteran weapons.

Suddwrath

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

There really isn't a valid excuse for them to not be automatically upgraded:
1) The content remains the same. vMA/vDSA are not changing in regards to difficulty, mechanics, etc.
2) The criteria remains the same for current vMA/vDSA weapons and the future perfected versions (beat the arenas on vet).
3) The car model analogy that a dev made in Discord simply does not make sense. No, owning a 2018 model of a car does not mean that you are entitled to automatically upgrading to a 2020 model. But at the same time the dealership isn't coming to my house, taking out the engine, and replacing it with a smaller and weaker engine. When sets are changed in the game it doesn't leave behind a new and old version. You won't see someone in the game who has a 2018 version of the Bloodspawn set and someone else who has the 2020 version of Bloodspawn. The sets get changed across the board regardless of when they were obtained.
4) The new perfected version of the weapons are not "new" content. vMA/vDSA weapons already existed in the game from beating those arenas on vet, which means the "new" weapons are the imperfected versions since those were not previously available in the normal arenas. Since the perfected versions are not new, the current vMA/vDSA weapons should be automatically adjusted just like every other set which undergoes balance adjustments.

It really just doesn't make sense why the weapons will not be upgraded. Not only that, but it is incredibly poor optics. Many players who have multiple characters have spent dozens, or even hundreds, of hours in vMA/vDSA farming these weapons. It's great that the imperfect weapons are being made available to players who could not beat the vet content before and the players going forward who beat it on vet will get the perfected versions, but it is very inconsiderate for all of the players who invested time, effort, and resources to obtain the weapons for the same content but who will now not have the perfected versions.

Then, to add insult to injury, @ZOS_BrianWheeler has been absolutely silent on this issue despite the major community backlash. The forums do not represent the playerbase at large. Most players do not visit the forums. The backlash has already been this big, so imagine just how large it will be once the update goes live and all of those players who do not visit the forums log into the game to discover that their vMA/vDSA weapons have not been upgraded to perfected despite the fact that they beat those arenas on vet in the past. The backlash will be even larger at that point and it makes me wonder if Brian will continue to stay silent.

Aisleyne

As they've already made the decision about this, I wish more people would focus on the reason why no one wants to go back in to farm. If you decide to go back in to get the perfected version, you'll most likely face the same terrible rng grind to get what you're looking for. If you're a new player or someone who hasn't ventured in before, you'll likely face a terrible rng grind. Either way, I feel like it would be better to focus our collective energy on asking for an change to the system of drops there which will benefit everyone.

FLambda

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

I've never run the veteran version, only normal, and I think the people that *have* run vet should get their veteran, perfected versions.

CurvedSwords123

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

FLambda wrote: »

I've never run the veteran version, only normal, and I think the people that *have* run vet should get their veteran, perfected versions.

Your thoughtfulness is refreshing. Thank you.
The pain point for me is not necessarily the arena, it's that I've spent so much gold mats and transmute stones on my armory.

Davadin

No, weapons should not upgrade automatically.

the way i see this whole mess....

I bought a 2018 Toyota in 2017. Paid $20k.

In 2020, they come up with a new 2021 version. The "Perfected" version. Slightly tweaked engine. Comes with navigation and bluetooth. It costs exactly $20k.

Did I enjoy my Toyota for 3 years? Damn right I did.
Do I expect a free upgrade... nay.... a DISCOUNT for swapping my old Toyota with the new one? Maybe.
Do I demand that one day I come home and suddenly I found the new Toyota in my garage?

Hell no.

Oh wait. There's more: in 2018, it's super hard to save up for 20k. But now I got a stable job, it's somewhat easier. That relates to how many times I did vDSA and vMA back then, and now I may have to grind it a little... easier....

DrSlaughtr

[Snip]. All I ever heard from [Snip] is that if you need the Maelstrom staff then you should be able to compete it and if you can't compete it then you don't need it.

[Snip] This is about a allowing players who may not be great at solo play, or people who main support, having access to weapons in a multiplayer game that were locked behind solo content.

If you don't want to farm the new staff then don't. You'll be no better or worse than you are now. No one is forcing any of you to run vMA.

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usmcjdking

TheEndBringer wrote: »

[Snip]. All I ever heard from [Snip] is that if you need the Maelstrom staff then you should be able to compete it and if you can't compete it then you don't need it.

[Snip] This is about a allowing players who may not be great at solo play, or people who main support, having access to weapons in a multiplayer game that were locked behind solo content.

If you don't want to farm the new staff then don't. You'll be no better or worse than you are now. No one is forcing any of you to run vMA.

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I mean, sure.

I don't frankly care, I just find it borderline ridiculous that the bonus stats are actually being reinstated onto brand new gear that has, legitimately, the same exact requirements of attaining that the previous iteration (which had bonus stats, but now doesn't) did.

MartiniDaniels

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

TheEndBringer wrote: »

[Snip]. All I ever heard from [Snip] is that if you need the Maelstrom staff then you should be able to compete it and if you can't compete it then you don't need it.

[Snip] This is about a allowing players who may not be great at solo play, or people who main support, having access to weapons in a multiplayer game that were locked behind solo content.

If you don't want to farm the new staff then don't. You'll be no better or worse than you are now. No one is forcing any of you to run vMA.
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You are not fully right. While it is true that some of the perfected bonuses are useless, some of them will actually give an edge in PVP. So yes, we are forced to re-grind things like Titanic cleave and Master's bow.

MLGProPlayer

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

TheEndBringer wrote: »

[Snip]. All I ever heard from [Snip] is that if you need the Maelstrom staff then you should be able to compete it and if you can't compete it then you don't need it.

[Snip] This is about a allowing players who may not be great at solo play, or people who main support, having access to weapons in a multiplayer game that were locked behind solo content.

If you don't want to farm the new staff then don't. You'll be no better or worse than you are now. No one is forcing any of you to run vMA.

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If you think your new nMA weapon will magically add 25k DPS to your parse, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. vMA weapons, at most, add 1-2k to a parse. You still need to learn to weave.

[Snip]

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DrSlaughtr

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TheEndBringer wrote: »

[Snip]. All I ever heard from [Snip] is that if you need the Maelstrom staff then you should be able to compete it and if you can't compete it then you don't need it.

[Snip] This is about a allowing players who may not be great at solo play, or people who main support, having access to weapons in a multiplayer game that were locked behind solo content.

If you don't want to farm the new staff then don't. You'll be no better or worse than you are now. No one is forcing any of you to run vMA.

[Edited for bait]

If you think your new nMA weapon will magically add 25k DPS to your parse, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. vMA weapons, at most, add 1-2k to a parse. You still need to learn to weave.

[Snip]

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Your dps number isn't a guarantee you can complete MA. If that were true the cheese one bar sorc builds wouldn't work. It requires a specific skill set that not everyone possesses. Nor does everyone have time to farm it for months to get one drop.

It's not about adding "25k". No one thinks that. It's about not locking off content to a select group of players.

[Snip]. If you don't want it don't get it. But then you'd have to suffer knowing someone you deem not in your level has the same weapon.

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MartiniDaniels

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

TheEndBringer wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TheEndBringer wrote: »

[Snip]. All I ever heard from [Snip] is that if you need the Maelstrom staff then you should be able to compete it and if you can't compete it then you don't need it.

[Snip] This is about a allowing players who may not be great at solo play, or people who main support, having access to weapons in a multiplayer game that were locked behind solo content.

If you don't want to farm the new staff then don't. You'll be no better or worse than you are now. No one is forcing any of you to run vMA.

[Edited for bait]

If you think your new nMA weapon will magically add 25k DPS to your parse, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. vMA weapons, at most, add 1-2k to a parse. You still need to learn to weave.

[Snip]

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Your dps number isn't a guarantee you can complete MA. If that were true the cheese one bar sorc builds wouldn't work. It requires a specific skill set that not everyone possesses. Nor does everyone have time to farm it for months to get one drop.

It's not about adding "25k". No one thinks that. It's about not locking off content to a select group of players.

[Snip]. If you don't want it don't get it. But then you'd have to suffer knowing someone you deem not in your level has the same weapon.

[Edited for bait]

Eh, what locking of content? What prevented you from playing MA when there were no maelstrom weapon reward? 0_o
And cheese one bar sorc builds exist exactly for those who don't have dps OR wants to farm VMA without fuss OR is low CP and don't have good gear. Absolutely nothing bad in one bar builds. But if you have at least okay dps, it is easier to play VMA using your dungeon/trial build with low HP, low resistances etc instead of running in circles spamming your shields and heavy attacks. You are talking about something you have no idea [Snip].
In all this discussions there were no single comment like "why ZOS gives MA weapons for nMA", all comments are "why our weapons are not upgraded automatically"?
Tbh, in 2k20 while community congratulates person who completes VMA first time (it is like completing some "rite of passage" of ESO PVE), nobody considers it an achievement and MA weapons are just default gear used by everybody in vet trial groups.

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Strider__Roshin

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Still no response from Brian on this. Love all the communication from ZOS on changes that more than 85% of the community hate.

No more communication than they usually give. I know you're not surprised.

idk

I thought this was an older poll but I guess there have been many.

I guess Zos could to a 180 and remove the new weapons so we do not have to grind for them. It would seem to solve the issue.

DrSlaughtr

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

TheEndBringer wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TheEndBringer wrote: »

[Snip]. All I ever heard from [Snip] is that if you need the Maelstrom staff then you should be able to compete it and if you can't compete it then you don't need it.

[Snip] This is about a allowing players who may not be great at solo play, or people who main support, having access to weapons in a multiplayer game that were locked behind solo content.

If you don't want to farm the new staff then don't. You'll be no better or worse than you are now. No one is forcing any of you to run vMA.

[Edited for bait]

If you think your new nMA weapon will magically add 25k DPS to your parse, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. vMA weapons, at most, add 1-2k to a parse. You still need to learn to weave.

[Snip]

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Your dps number isn't a guarantee you can complete MA. If that were true the cheese one bar sorc builds wouldn't work. It requires a specific skill set that not everyone possesses. Nor does everyone have time to farm it for months to get one drop.

It's not about adding "25k". No one thinks that. It's about not locking off content to a select group of players.

[Snip]. If you don't want it don't get it. But then you'd have to suffer knowing someone you deem not in your level has the same weapon.

[Edited for bait]

Eh, what locking of content? What prevented you from playing MA when there were no maelstrom weapon reward? 0_o
And cheese one bar sorc builds exist exactly for those who don't have dps OR wants to farm VMA without fuss OR is low CP and don't have good gear. Absolutely nothing bad in one bar builds. But if you have at least okay dps, it is easier to play VMA using your dungeon/trial build with low HP, low resistances etc instead of running in circles spamming your shields and heavy attacks. You are talking about something you have no idea [Snip].
In all this discussions there were no single comment like "why ZOS gives MA weapons for nMA", all comments are "why our weapons are not upgraded automatically"?
Tbh, in 2k20 while community congratulates person who completes VMA first time (it is like completing some "rite of passage" of ESO PVE), nobody considers it an achievement and MA weapons are just default gear used by everybody in vet trial groups.

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I've got my MA weapons. Thanks. Of course you assumed I didn't.

[Snip]. Stick with what you got if you don't want to grind again. Stop asking for a handout you'll never get.

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ALeoCat_ESO

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

The *insert car model year here* is a false analogy. You are attempting to compare the nature of depreciating value of capital assets to a non scarcity digital good that has maintained the same effort value of obtaining. The vary basis of the argument even relies on the methodology of implementing the changes to arena gear.

It needs to be pointed out that there is not one change being made, but two. First, Veteran rewards for arenas are getting an additional set bonus. Second, Imperfect versions of arena gear are being added to normal mode. The fact that the normal mode gear is equivalent to the old vet gear is irrelevant when the methodology of obtaining the gear has not changed.

The simplest solution to implement these changes would be to add the additional bonus to the existing arena weapons, and create new imperfect weapons and adjust the drop tables for normal arenas accordingly. This is the simplest method of implementing the changes, takes the least amount of effort, and would not upset existing vet players.

Instead ZoS has elected to go in a more complicated route, adjusting the drop tables of both normal and veteran arenas, using this more complicated implementation to justify downgrading existing player's gear. This suggests that these changes are being done this way either out of maliciousness, or incompetence, neither of which inspires players to continue to invest in the future of the game.

MartiniDaniels

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

TheEndBringer wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

TheEndBringer wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TheEndBringer wrote: »

[Snip]. All I ever heard from [Snip] is that if you need the Maelstrom staff then you should be able to compete it and if you can't compete it then you don't need it.

[Snip] This is about a allowing players who may not be great at solo play, or people who main support, having access to weapons in a multiplayer game that were locked behind solo content.

If you don't want to farm the new staff then don't. You'll be no better or worse than you are now. No one is forcing any of you to run vMA.

[Edited for bait]

If you think your new nMA weapon will magically add 25k DPS to your parse, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. vMA weapons, at most, add 1-2k to a parse. You still need to learn to weave.

[Snip]

[Edited for removed content]

Your dps number isn't a guarantee you can complete MA. If that were true the cheese one bar sorc builds wouldn't work. It requires a specific skill set that not everyone possesses. Nor does everyone have time to farm it for months to get one drop.

It's not about adding "25k". No one thinks that. It's about not locking off content to a select group of players.

[Snip]. If you don't want it don't get it. But then you'd have to suffer knowing someone you deem not in your level has the same weapon.

[Edited for bait]

Eh, what locking of content? What prevented you from playing MA when there were no maelstrom weapon reward? 0_o
And cheese one bar sorc builds exist exactly for those who don't have dps OR wants to farm VMA without fuss OR is low CP and don't have good gear. Absolutely nothing bad in one bar builds. But if you have at least okay dps, it is easier to play VMA using your dungeon/trial build with low HP, low resistances etc instead of running in circles spamming your shields and heavy attacks. You are talking about something you have no idea, and you call us salty elitists, though it is you who sound like that.
In all this discussions there were no single comment like "why ZOS gives MA weapons for nMA", all comments are "why our weapons are not upgraded automatically"?
Tbh, in 2k20 while community congratulates person who completes VMA first time (it is like completing some "rite of passage" of ESO PVE), nobody considers it an achievement and MA weapons are just default gear used by everybody in vet trial groups.

I've got my MA weapons. Thanks. Of course you assumed I didn't.

[Snip]. Stick with what you got if you don't want to grind again. Stop asking for a handout you'll never get.

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Ok, I get it, subject is somehow touchy for you, so you need to express it [Snip] several times to feel better. That's ok, this is one of the reasons this forums exist - to blow off steam.

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Kaliki

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

I think vMA weapons being downgraded to normal rewards sets a dangerous precedent.

Is this going to happen to all our monster helmets and shoulders next?

And as many others before me have said: I don't mind that non-perfected version are introduced and easily acessible to everyone.
But having gear earned in vet content become non-perfected gear that requires zero effort to obtain is really a slap in the face.

InfaM

Yes, weapons should upgrade automatically.

Davadin wrote: »

the way i see this whole mess....

I bought a 2018 Toyota in 2017. Paid $20k.

In 2020, they come up with a new 2021 version. The "Perfected" version. Slightly tweaked engine. Comes with navigation and bluetooth. It costs exactly $20k.

Did I enjoy my Toyota for 3 years? Damn right I did.
Do I expect a free upgrade... nay.... a DISCOUNT for swapping my old Toyota with the new one? Maybe.
Do I demand that one day I come home and suddenly I found the new Toyota in my garage?

Hell no.

Oh wait. There's more: in 2018, it's super hard to save up for 20k. But now I got a stable job, it's somewhat easier. That relates to how many times I did vDSA and vMA back then, and now I may have to grind it a little... easier....

Even if I voted the opposite on the poll I like the metaphor and it's an interesting way to see it

But you forgot that part were your 2017 toyota was already a perfect version with slightly tweaked engine and navigation and bluetooth, but after you bought it, toyota decided to send their team to remove it from your car while your were sleeping without asking your opinion and without refunding, because they thought it was too much options for your 20k car.

Then in 2020 they release the exact same 2017 cars model as you own but with these extra options again and call it the 2017F (because they feel like recycling old models is more profitable than creating new one < that part is just a guess and my own opinion, so it'll probably get removed by moderator, they don't really like us giving opinions about the reason behind it ), but they make it clears that they won't upgrade the already sold 2017 version with these options (even if you're willing to pay an extra) , you have to pay the whole 20k and buy those new 2017F again if you want to see these options on a 2017 model.

Now that you have a stable job and a better situation you could buy even 20 of those, but , does the way they're actually doing it makes you wanna give this company even 1$ anymore ?

+ who's telling that they won't downgrade your 2017F again if you buy it and keep on supporting those unexplainable choices from this company