Icereach PC NA (Mulaamnir/Kyne/BWB NA PC - Final... Part 2)

Adenoma

The only problem is that I have to learn how to dizzying swing. They took out all the enjoyable spammables for stam.

MincVinyl

Adenoma wrote: »

The only problem is that I have to learn how to dizzying swing. They took out all the enjoyable spammables for stam.

Dizzy has no second aim check anymore, no second directional check, shorter cast time, seemingly random stun, seemingly random snare. 26% less damage than you probably remember it hitting for

gabriebe

Dizzy swing is even more annoying than before because of medium weave stuns from the OB, which can be near-unbreakable even at full stem. Or that you need to break free from twice because of current performance issues.

MincVinyl

gabriebe wrote: »

Dizzy swing is even more annoying than before because of medium weave stuns from the OB, which can be near-unbreakable even at full stem. Or that you need to break free from twice because of current performance issues.

yeah zos somehow got the notion that old dizzy was too strong(*cough* maybe because of the *** changes to onslaught) but instead of having an easy telegraphed knockup from a single 4-5 average human reaction time long cast , dizzy now has a debuff that allows ANY medium/heavy or next dizzy to stun. before the knockup came from a massive upwards swing animation that was clear and very noticeable so even newer players would pick up on what happened to them. Now one guy dizzys them and for some reason randomly they slump over because some random guy bow medium attacked them 28m away.

You know zos has been trying to push to dumb down the game for newer players, when it is their own fault for over complicating so many random things into uncounterable messes of mechanics. Newer players already have enough trouble as it is, why does zos expect them to figure out where random stuns come from that you have no chance to dodge/block because they are not tied to any specific animation. What makes it all even worse is how many random animations are in the game. ***, most sets now are as flashy as ultimates. Valkyn skoria literally has meteor animation, why the *** do we care if it has an animation, it is undodgeable anyways. Half of necro/wardens abilities look like ultimates. Idk makes little sense game design wise, shame to see the team ruin the game, and then want to dumb it down because they didnt expect the changes they made to make it impossible for newer players to learn.

Adenoma

So you can’t walk through dizzying now?

MincVinyl

Adenoma wrote: »

So you can’t walk through dizzying now?

nope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C6K7eDnk3g&t=207s

You can wrecking blow however....cuz ya know......zos

Adenoma

Well, hopefully today I’ll have my EP done grinding and I’ll see you around!

Stridig

Maybe I'll pop in and get roughed up a little when I get back from my little side trip to Sedona. Should be all rested up by then.

Enkil

Adenoma wrote: »

Sounds like I'll make an EP if anyone wants to fiddle around.

this is awesome! i wanna see it! I'll fiddle around with you LMFAO!!

Enkil

MincVinyl wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

Dizzy swing is even more annoying than before because of medium weave stuns from the OB, which can be near-unbreakable even at full stem. Or that you need to break free from twice because of current performance issues.

yeah zos somehow got the notion that old dizzy was too strong(*cough* maybe because of the *** changes to onslaught) but instead of having an easy telegraphed knockup from a single 4-5 average human reaction time long cast , dizzy now has a debuff that allows ANY medium/heavy or next dizzy to stun. before the knockup came from a massive upwards swing animation that was clear and very noticeable so even newer players would pick up on what happened to them. Now one guy dizzys them and for some reason randomly they slump over because some random guy bow medium attacked them 28m away.

You know zos has been trying to push to dumb down the game for newer players, when it is their own fault for over complicating so many random things into uncounterable messes of mechanics. Newer players already have enough trouble as it is, why does zos expect them to figure out where random stuns come from that you have no chance to dodge/block because they are not tied to any specific animation. What makes it all even worse is how many random animations are in the game. ***, most sets now are as flashy as ultimates. Valkyn skoria literally has meteor animation, why the *** do we care if it has an animation, it is undodgeable anyways. Half of necro/wardens abilities look like ultimates. Idk makes little sense game design wise, shame to see the team ruin the game, and then want to dumb it down because they didnt expect the changes they made to make it impossible for newer players to learn.

2-H has been broken for many months!!! Please reflect, and check yourself! Have been advocating for a telegraph of 2-H BS recently, or have u and your little posse been exploiting it? Hmm...

Adenoma

What does that even mean? 2h is literally the only viable weapon line across classes as a primary DPS bar. There are some classes that can run other weapons main bar like stamplar, StamNB, etc can with dual wield, but the diversity among weapons has dropped dramatically.

They killed S&B as a spammable and dw never really had a strong option that wasn’t class-specific. On top of that, they nerfed literally everything they could regarding bash weaving down to the actual fluidity of animations.

I’ve been disappointed in 2h because the mechanics of the stun for dizzying swing are poorly relatable to new players and the inability to walk through the telegraph makes for a more boring, skill-devoid life. Some people in past patches had a good handle on the swing with 2x hit reg checks, but now it’s just the one.

MincVinyl

Enkil wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

Dizzy swing is even more annoying than before because of medium weave stuns from the OB, which can be near-unbreakable even at full stem. Or that you need to break free from twice because of current performance issues.

yeah zos somehow got the notion that old dizzy was too strong(*cough* maybe because of the *** changes to onslaught) but instead of having an easy telegraphed knockup from a single 4-5 average human reaction time long cast , dizzy now has a debuff that allows ANY medium/heavy or next dizzy to stun. before the knockup came from a massive upwards swing animation that was clear and very noticeable so even newer players would pick up on what happened to them. Now one guy dizzys them and for some reason randomly they slump over because some random guy bow medium attacked them 28m away.

You know zos has been trying to push to dumb down the game for newer players, when it is their own fault for over complicating so many random things into uncounterable messes of mechanics. Newer players already have enough trouble as it is, why does zos expect them to figure out where random stuns come from that you have no chance to dodge/block because they are not tied to any specific animation. What makes it all even worse is how many random animations are in the game. ***, most sets now are as flashy as ultimates. Valkyn skoria literally has meteor animation, why the *** do we care if it has an animation, it is undodgeable anyways. Half of necro/wardens abilities look like ultimates. Idk makes little sense game design wise, shame to see the team ruin the game, and then want to dumb it down because they didnt expect the changes they made to make it impossible for newer players to learn.

2-H has been broken for many months!!! Please reflect, and check yourself! Have been advocating for a telegraph of 2-H BS recently, or have u and your little posse been exploiting it? Hmm...

If you keep up with the patches, s&b lost 8% damage across the board while losing major defile so stamcro could be the only class to have it. Dw is finally only becoming viable if you run master dw and run a gimmicky Xv1 dot build. Dizzy has been *** since elsweyr, back before when I was one of the few people that would even run it. Now it is the only weapon skill line to really use and without the long cast, double aim check, and easily telegraphed knockup, It has just become a mindless spammable with random effects tied to it.

2h isnt broken, it is literally the only weapon skill line viable. Dizzy does *** damage now and has random stun/snare, I would hardly say it is broken. If anything it now only favors Xv1 players that dont care about timing combos and love unskillful random events in combat.

Adenoma

To be objective, it’s hard to say dizzy was underpowered- it just didn’t have a need for a nerf or change especially when we had a tank meta.

Muzza45

Makes no difference to me.... by the time I wind up a Dizzy, the intended recipient has had a cup of tea and a biscuit, ran around me three times and then gone to Bruma. My latency in Kyne is 330-350 (via Perth western Australia).

Adenoma

Run elude and they never get away.

MincVinyl

Muzza45 wrote: »

Makes no difference to me.... by the time I wind up a Dizzy, the intended recipient has had a cup of tea and a biscuit, ran around me three times and then gone to Bruma. My latency in Kyne is 330-350 (via Perth western Australia).

From my experience with aus guildies over the years, sadly you have to just find abilities that go off quickly and animation cancel quickly for things to work. For instance dizzy hits at the end of a gcd, where something like suprise attack hits at the beginning almost instantly. Another one would be ransack, which is still one of the fastest abilities in the game. There are avenues to play at a decently high skill level, but you will always be ~200ms behind

Adenoma

Been some reasonably fun PvP these last few days. Kinda glad I’m playing. Still take issue with the dizzying swing meta - it is nice that you end up getting stunned so infrequently.

MincVinyl

Tbh it is worse now that the stun is random. It would be better if the stun happened everytime from the dizzy. Currently it randomly happens 7s after the initial dizzy without any animation to counterplay off of, you just randomly slump over.

Adenoma

I actually like it on the receiving end. So many folks are running it that you don’t get CC’d in CD. Sure, it doesn’t have as much counterplay and that blows.

MincVinyl

It is less frequent stuns, but at the same time zos destroyed an ability that was perfectly fine before balance wise with 26% more damage and a knockup on each hit. Tbh they shouldnt have removed the aim checks....but the real issue was the random changes to onslaught that made 2h BiS for a year.

Imo any amount of simple basic counterplay being removed when the devs are making comments saying they want low apm players to be at the same level as higher apm players is worrying.

Lumsdenml

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

There are many things that divide us in this life, from politics, to wealth, to personal opinions. In Cyrodiil, alliances divide us. Zone chat can be toxic and I am sure that the majority of people reading this have had at least one salty /whisper on the battlefield. But this ESO community, and even more specifically the under 50 PCNA community never fails to prove that we truly are a community that can transcend these things.

I did not know Borch, but may people who play in this campaign called him a friend. He passed away recently and his guild wished to honour him in the game he loved. And specificity, in Cyrodiil. They asked for a truce so his guild mates could ride a lap around Cyrodiil in his honour, and asked that EP and DC join them. We did, and I feel this epitomizes how this game can knit perfect strangers into friends... and even a truly dysfunctional family (and I say this with love!). Below is a short video showing the event from my perspective.

#ESOFamily

https://youtu.be/qY_jg_9CjGY

Stridig

Very nice tribute guys.

dem0n1k

Cool video Tacoma! I made one too but it's almost identical to yours! XD Yours has nicer music though

I also did not know Borsh, apart from fighting against him on the battlefields of Cyrodiil, but it was amazing to see so many players give a tribute to a fellow PVPer. Massive respect to all the players from all 3 factions that attended & held the truce.

Special thanks to Ja'nessa of AD for organising.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7EXQzEet-w

Muzza45

Lumsdenml wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

There are many things that divide us in this life, from politics, to wealth, to personal opinions. In Cyrodiil, alliances divide us. Zone chat can be toxic and I am sure that the majority of people reading this have had at least one salty /whisper on the battlefield. But this ESO community, and even more specifically the under 50 PCNA community never fails to prove that we truly are a community that can transcend these things.

I did not know Borch, but may people who play in this campaign called him a friend. He passed away recently and his guild wished to honour him in the game he loved. And specificity, in Cyrodiil. They asked for a truce so his guild mates could ride a lap around Cyrodiil in his honour, and asked that EP and DC join them. We did, and I feel this epitomizes how this game can knit perfect strangers into friends... and even a truly dysfunctional family (and I say this with love!). Below is a short video showing the event from my perspective.

#ESOFamily

https://youtu.be/qY_jg_9CjGY

Absolutely fantastic video of the memorial to Borch. He ran in our little PvP group virtually every night and just loved it. Gotta say there were a few tears (me included) as we went through the gate and saw the lines of 'enemies' honouring the old rascal. Just shows how a community can come-together and forget about conflict for a short while. Thanks to you all for the tribute - he would've been amazed..!

Adenoma

Late in the party seeing this, but RIP. Cool to see the community banding together like this still.

I miss old BwB days where folks would regularly do this sort of stuff to show respect.

Stridig

So.... how's everyone doing? Also, where's @DeadlyRecluse ? I was supposed to travel across the country this summer to help him clean up cat poop.

MincVinyl

Deadly is in hiding........I am not allowed to speak any further

Stridig

MincVinyl wrote: »

Deadly is in hiding........I am not allowed to speak any further

Oh no! Well if he needs money while he's on the run just let me know.

Lumsdenml

Stridig wrote: »

So.... how's everyone doing? Also, where's @DeadlyRecluse ? I was supposed to travel across the country this summer to help him clean up cat poop.

I'm just living my best Tacoma life.

Stridig

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

So.... how's everyone doing? Also, where's @DeadlyRecluse ? I was supposed to travel across the country this summer to help him clean up cat poop.

I'm just living my best Tacoma life.

I just had a new house built in Mount Vernon. Listed my house in Bellingham last night and have 3 offers already. Moral of the story.... Mount Vernon is like Tacoma only smaller.