Why pvpers dont post BGs?

Valabrog

Why 99% of 1vx or "godmode" or "best meta" youtube vids take place on Cyrodiil?

If they are good, why not to post how they solo deal with 3 magsorc in a deathmatch? There are like 0 videos about how to come out alive in such situations. Everything is about cyrodiil and I bet bgs are now a lot popular, when queue was fixed - it pops non stop. Ant still new vids are all about Cyro.

Would be nice to see some dedicated BG player vids and Im not talking about builds, but mostly about combat tricks and how to deal with some S+ classes.

Chilly-McFreeze

CP is your answer.

Taylor_MB

It's not 1v3 magsorcs, but here you go-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WmcGueyjro

FakeFox

I don't think many good players bother with BGs to begin with. With high MMR the queue times are atrocious and you fight the same players over and over. And if you get matched with players at a similar skill level you will not be able to carry.

L_Nici

Well, there are multiple reasons.
1. In Cyrodiil you can choose your enemy and if you want to make a video you will most likely take down weaker players only, so you look better than you actually are.
2. In Cyrodiil are more opportunities to use the terrain to face Zergs and win, just because they mostly don't hit you.
3. CP play a huge part especially on your tanky side (Tankmeta) while you still can deal damage like a full DD.

And then something else, if you make videos, you most likely won't upload you failing unless its 1v30 or something, where you could say you got zerged down, to prevent looking bad. In Bgs you die way more frequently than in Cyro PvP. In cyrodiil are just way more different fights going on and with the 3 points above you just get better video material.
About that solo dealing with Magsorcs in BGs, that is no measurement at all, since everyone knows that Magsorcs are insanely OP in BG and in non CP overall thanks to their abillity to stack up shields and almost always being out of range while executing you. In cyro you can avoid them, in BGs you just can't due to limited space.

VaranisArano

You might as well ask why most successful 1vX videos are done with CP and involve players that nobody recognizes. The answer is pretty obvious - CP makes it a lot easier to build for damage and mitigation and most experienced players don't fall for the old "let me LOS around this rock, tree, and choke point until I've pulled your group into a series of 1v1s" trick.

BGs just doesn't offer the same opportunities. In particular, BGs has MMR and, until this update, premade groups. An organized, experienced group is going to have an easier time with a 1vxer, making it harder to get "good" clips for bragging rights.

The main thing to remember about 1vX videos is that it's less about being good than it is about getting a good clip. While many 1vXers are pretty good in an equal fight, what you don't see is the many failures that went into getting that clip - the many times they fought decent groups and lost. Those rarely get shown. Cyrodiil is a lot easier to get good 1vX videos than BGs.

MartiniDaniels

Because viewers want to look this videos for lulz and not to learn something. There are a lot of popular streamers (not ESO) who have a lot of donations/views on their regular random gameplay, but wherever they create "educational" video fighting against skilled opponents majority of viewers just found that boring.
It's the same reason while "dumb" tv-series are extremely popular and clever ones have only niche audience. People watch TV/youtube/twitch to relax after work/study and not to get better in game.

Alucardo

I have videos of me wiping the floor in BGs, but I don't like to showcase them because you could get placed with casual players that have no idea what they're doing or new to the game.
Battlegrounds can be some pretty boring footage if I'm honest, especially considering it's just a contest of who uses and wears the most cheese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7KZd6cRng0

I kept that unlisted because it's just embarrassing. But hey, at least it made me feel like stam sorc was strong for a little while!
Anyway, that was probably when my MMR was low, but when you get into the higher brackets you'll be facing idiots wearing stuff like caluurion's and zaan, block tanks and snipers who won't go anywhere near the fight. In general it's a pretty horrible experience once you rank up.

Valabrog

Many good points, thanks!

From my personal experience I dont fight other players in Cyro at all - 10 mins I ride alone to a siege, than I ride to another siege, than I die along with all my zerg, because another zerg arrives from behind. Than I ride somewhere else. And thats like 2 hours of my gaming time burnt without even small scale How much time 1v xer must be spending in Cyro to find all those fights and potatoes he wants to meet?

While BG is just a straightforward killing and testing builds etc etc. And lots of of possibilities to have 1 v 2 or 1 v 3..Thats why was curious

L_Nici

@Valabrog Actually not that much. If you are solo you are free to go wherever you like, go to the enemies homekeep and turn one ressource, you will have company within the next 5 minutes. And since most decent players do the same as you, you will most likely face potatoes there.

VaranisArano

Valabrog wrote: »

Many good points, thanks!

From my personal experience I dont fight other players in Cyro at all - 10 mins I ride alone to a siege, than I ride to another siege, than I die along with all my zerg, because another zerg arrives from behind. Than I ride somewhere else. And thats like 2 hours of my gaming time burnt without even small scale How much time 1v xer must be spending in Cyro to find all those fights and potatoes he wants to meet?

While BG is just a straightforward killing and testing builds etc etc. And lots of of possibilities to have 1 v 2 or 1 v 3..Thats why was curious

I usually find the 1vXers hanging out at resources hoping to attract PUGs who came out to recapture the flag. Resources tend to have good LOS options too. Confident ones might try for the bridge or milegates.

robertthebard

Man, there's going to be a lot of disappointed OW PvPers when they find out they've been doing it wrong since OW PvP was a thing. Taking advantage of terrain, and breaking LoS are things that PvPers learn early, everywhere but here, apparently?

Raudgrani

Make CP Battlegrounds, and it will be a thing.

xXMeowMeowXx

FakeFox wrote: »

I don't think many good players bother with BGs to begin with. With high MMR the queue times are atrocious and you fight the same players over and over. And if you get matched with players at a similar skill level you will not be able to carry.

Plus who wants more nerfs. Players that play BGs and not Cyro tend to push for nerfs more over Open world players.

VaranisArano

robertthebard wrote: »

Man, there's going to be a lot of disappointed OW PvPers when they find out they've been doing it wrong since OW PvP was a thing. Taking advantage of terrain, and breaking LoS are things that PvPers learn early, everywhere but here, apparently?

Well, that would be why most successful 1vX tends to be 1 v potatoes or 1v newer players. Because once players get enough experience with LOS, terrain, and basic situational awareness, they stop falling for it.

ZOS has done a good job of killing the sort of builds that used to be able to straight-up 1vX experienced players like Blazeplars.

FakeFox

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

I don't think many good players bother with BGs to begin with. With high MMR the queue times are atrocious and you fight the same players over and over. And if you get matched with players at a similar skill level you will not be able to carry.

Plus who wants more nerfs. Players that play BGs and not Cyro tend to push for nerfs more over Open world players.

Uhm? I can't really see that.

RedReign

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

I don't think many good players bother with BGs to begin with. With high MMR the queue times are atrocious and you fight the same players over and over. And if you get matched with players at a similar skill level you will not be able to carry.

Plus who wants more nerfs. Players that play BGs and not Cyro tend to push for nerfs more over Open world players.

Also the sun looks green from Pluto. See? I can make up nonsense too.


The answer to the OP is CP. When showcasing a build its helpful to also showcase CP and how it affects the build. Battlegrounds are CP free.

5cript

If you get ridiculous stomps in bgs, you got matched to new or bad players. simple as that.
The good games are the hard fought ones.

RedReign

5cript wrote: »

If you get ridiculous stomps in bgs, you got matched to new or bad players. simple as that.
The good games are the hard fought ones.

Or you're using a cheese build. Let's be honest; they exist and they're hilarious.

Firstmep

5cript wrote: »

If you get ridiculous stomps in bgs, you got matched to new or bad players. simple as that.
The good games are the hard fought ones.

I enjoy my "sweaty" high MMR games much more then stomping a bunch people who picked up the game a few months ago.

Skoomah

Why? Because everytime someone shares an awesome build that can 1vX... ZOS just nerfs the heck out of it. Why would anyone want to share after dozens of nerfs and an inventory full of useless gold gear.

robertthebard

VaranisArano wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

Man, there's going to be a lot of disappointed OW PvPers when they find out they've been doing it wrong since OW PvP was a thing. Taking advantage of terrain, and breaking LoS are things that PvPers learn early, everywhere but here, apparently?

Well, that would be why most successful 1vX tends to be 1 v potatoes or 1v newer players. Because once players get enough experience with LOS, terrain, and basic situational awareness, they stop falling for it.

ZOS has done a good job of killing the sort of builds that used to be able to straight-up 1vX experienced players like Blazeplars.

Man, I'd love to PvP against some of these players in games like Aion. I'd enjoy laughing in Legion chat about that ranger that just ran right up to me to get killed, but at least they didn't "fall" for that breaking LoS and terrain nonsense...

SeveN085

No CP and the fact that you won't be able to 1vX potatos endlessly because MMR happens and after a while when you meet better players you realize your godmode/best meta build isn't as awesome as you thought.

Skoomah

Why post anything successful? It just gets nerfed... like successfully socializing and making friends and playing an Massive MULTIPLAYER game with friends.

Oh wait... you can’t queue with friends anymore...

Vevvev

5cript wrote: »

If you get ridiculous stomps in bgs, you got matched to new or bad players. simple as that.
The good games are the hard fought ones.

Pretty much this. You either get a very close and hard fought match like this:

A match with new or bad players where its like shooting fish in a barrel like this:

Or you lose horribly... ((Sorry don't have any pictures of my losses. Not that I don't get any but I just don't keep them all on record.))

Also in Cyrodiil the lag helps in making you push the limits of how far you can push a squishy build. Last night I managed to survive against 20 AD for about a minute and half longer than I usually do because of this fact. ((average time is less than 10 seconds against such numbers.))

oxygen_thief

Skoomah wrote: »

Why post anything successful? It just gets nerfed... like successfully socializing and making friends and playing an Massive MULTIPLAYER game with friends.

Oh wait... you can’t queue with friends anymore...

video cant be nerfed and zos cant identify sets by video to nerf. nobody posts it because 1vsx doesnt work if x arent newbies

relentless_turnip

https://youtu.be/B9Hi0j4EQuM I have always done a lot of BG's and done very well. In all honesty though if you are soloing a BG 9 times out of 10 you will lose the game for your team.

I enjoy solo PvP, but most the time enjoy the individual battles you find yourself in whilst in group PvP. I like being part of the large scale battles, it looks cool and immersive😁

This patch most players that enjoy PvP are unable to do any other content and most the times 1 v Xing is killing potatoes... And there is far less potatoes in BG's at the moment or they are mixed with good players who know not to stray.

jlboozer

All I do is play battlegrounds bud, but I only post full match videos. Check it out if interested...

https://youtu.be/eTD9rRvZ9SI

red_emu

1. No CP to carry you

2. The "X" is usually very inexperienced players in the 1vX video

3. In BGs you're more likely to come across someone of your own skill level.

Conclusion: 1vXers making videos seem impressive due to the enormous skill and gear gap between the 1 and X. Videos like this serve the purpose of strengthening already fragile masculinity of the 1.

Nirnroot420

Not too hard to understand that attempting to go out 1vx'ing in a sweaty BG Deathmatch is highly frowned upon because you're rarely doing your team any favors,not because of the lack of CP. It's not difficult to 1vx in noCP Cyrodiil (just as many potatoes there as anywhere), just there's no incentive in a team deathmatch to risk it.

Deathlord92

I have done a bgs video in the past on my stamblade I have been planning on doing one on my magblade to