Delayed abilities and break free

Sarousse

Add to all this mess the fact that the 2 optimisation patches didn't fix the random FPS yoyo :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ynT_jNuw4

It goes from 140 to 60, with insane stuttering, then goes back up.

Madhatten512

So telling the truth is now considered bashing? This is the problem with this company you cant take criticism. I have a question then do you think you have been doing a good job? Is the product you have released this patch and honestly the last year of patches good? I would say if you don't like to get criticized do a better job. the game is unplayable and your making combat changes no one wants. You can edit my posts all you want doesn't change the fact that your game is unplayable and every "fix" you send out makes it worse. The people that pay for this game deserve better.

FrankonPC

CritsTheBed wrote: »

Listen guys, the lag (delayed skills, greyed out skills, no barswap and cc issues of all kinds) will never be fixed when its high to moderately high pop in cyrodiill. You can complain here and now or in a year but those issues will never go away.

This server delay now happens with 1-2 bars of each faction in the main campaign. I've been playing this game for a long time and it used to be faction locked servers and the areas of big fights where you lagged. Then it was pop locked servers. Now you can have no frame issues and jump into a small fight and everything stops working.

Things have gotten progressively worse over the years. Nobody is expecting a miracle, but performance has been at an all time low since the double ap event on console. You would think that the double ap event would have brought the worst and most crippling performance to date, but it was actually whatever they did right after it.

This is correctable, and the fact that it has taken this long to be acknowledged is why there is justifiable outrage.

jadarock

This^
Revert everything that has taken place since the patch on February 5th on console.
THE INCREMENTAL PATCH FEBRUARY 5TH IS WHEN IT STARTED ON XBOX.
*right after mayhem
Revert it back at least that was playable combat compared to what we have now.

Gatdangmayne

So im a ps4 player, and there's comments here from PC and Xbox players.

All saying that no, this isnt the normal lag, this is skills misfiring, block, dodge, break free...literally everything not working reliably.

So uh, anyone realize that all platforms started getting this around the same time, despite being on different patches?

iCaliban

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

So im a ps4 player, and there's comments here from PC and Xbox players.

All saying that no, this isnt the normal lag, this is skills misfiring, block, dodge, break free...literally everything not working reliably.

So uh, anyone realize that all platforms started getting this around the same time or...?

Because they didnt. Update 25 rolled out for pc days before console.

Also calling it "lag" is a bit of a misnomer since eso frequently has lag issues. Update 25 introduced across the board, even in low latency high performance areas, unresponsive ability and break free activation

RedGirl41

When it’s laggy or a big group gets to a keep it’s almost impossible to break free. It’s like all cool downs don’t apply

Gatdangmayne

iCaliban wrote: »

Because they didnt. Update 25 rolled out for pc days before console.

Also calling it "lag" is a bit of a misnomer since eso frequently has lag issues. Update 25 introduced across the board, even in low latency high performance areas, unresponsive ability and break free activation

Console hasn't even gotten update 25. So they are currently on different patches, and experiencing the same things pc is.

Many say it started on the patch in February for console, which yeah i can say it probably started then, but over the past month has gotten progressively worse.

That means that within a month, all platforms started experiencing the same distinct issues, while on different patches.

Gatdangmayne

Reverb wrote: »

Pvp gameplay last night was terrible. Honestly I think I preferred the crashing. I tried on 3 different classes and found a recurring theme with client-server desyncs.

Starting with targeted skills. The toon starts the animation, waving or raising the arm, but returns to neutral without casting. Both Mages Fury and Purifying Light result in fist pumping when spammed, which is awesomely amusing, but not nearly as satisfying as actually casting the skills would be. What my DK looks like when starting and aborting the Whip animation over and over is just obscene

Then gap closers. Several times I completed the animation only to be teleported back to where I started. I saw this happen to other people as well. They would charge, rush or leap into combat and then *poof* back.

And finally “you can’t do that while dead”. Twice last night I ran into this while in combat, once on top of Warden fighting 3 EP and nobody’s skills were working, I was moving around and could light attack, rolldodge and cause bash damage, but casting or using a potion returned a “you can’t do that while dead” error in the upper-right corner. Maybe 20 seconds later I finally dropped dead and 2 of the EP were gone. The second time was at glade mine I went in with full health, lept on the flag NPCs got stunned, and got the “you can’t do that while dead” message when I tried to break free. Sure enough I dropped dead on the flag. Combat log recorded no incoming damage.

What these have in common is player positioning sync. Skills don’t fire because on the server side the target isnt where your client perceives them to be. Snap backs and rubber banding happens because the server and your game disagree about where your character is.

We’ve seen these symptoms of desync on occasion in high lag situations, but last night it was notable in that it happened all night, in every fight, and seemed to affect everyone more or less the same. Something is preventing the game from receiving or processing combat positioning messages in real time, and it’s too widespread to be caused by our individual systems, internet connections, or even addons.

For example this is the exact thing I'm experiencing, though on console, and we are on different patches.

iCaliban

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Pvp gameplay last night was terrible. Honestly I think I preferred the crashing. I tried on 3 different classes and found a recurring theme with client-server desyncs.

Starting with targeted skills. The toon starts the animation, waving or raising the arm, but returns to neutral without casting. Both Mages Fury and Purifying Light result in fist pumping when spammed, which is awesomely amusing, but not nearly as satisfying as actually casting the skills would be. What my DK looks like when starting and aborting the Whip animation over and over is just obscene

Then gap closers. Several times I completed the animation only to be teleported back to where I started. I saw this happen to other people as well. They would charge, rush or leap into combat and then *poof* back.

And finally “you can’t do that while dead”. Twice last night I ran into this while in combat, once on top of Warden fighting 3 EP and nobody’s skills were working, I was moving around and could light attack, rolldodge and cause bash damage, but casting or using a potion returned a “you can’t do that while dead” error in the upper-right corner. Maybe 20 seconds later I finally dropped dead and 2 of the EP were gone. The second time was at glade mine I went in with full health, lept on the flag NPCs got stunned, and got the “you can’t do that while dead” message when I tried to break free. Sure enough I dropped dead on the flag. Combat log recorded no incoming damage.

What these have in common is player positioning sync. Skills don’t fire because on the server side the target isnt where your client perceives them to be. Snap backs and rubber banding happens because the server and your game disagree about where your character is.

We’ve seen these symptoms of desync on occasion in high lag situations, but last night it was notable in that it happened all night, in every fight, and seemed to affect everyone more or less the same. Something is preventing the game from receiving or processing combat positioning messages in real time, and it’s too widespread to be caused by our individual systems, internet connections, or even addons.

For example this is the exact thing I'm experiencing, though on console, and we are on different patches.

For pc it was instant when update 25 hit. Prior to that, eso performance while not great, was still operating mostly correctly.

Sarousse

We'te not talking about the standard lag we're used to. This is something new introduced by update 25.

Out of combat all skills fire off correctly. As soon as you enter combat in Cyrodiil on PC EU, the mess begins. Combat is clunky buttons become irresponsive (got to smash 4-5 times for a skill to go), players/mobs become suddenly unhitable, even with light attacks.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom please get a statement from devs and post a sticky so we know what is going on and what to expect on the future fix of our beloved game, because right now it's unplayable.

NerfBosmer

PCNA. The first night I downloaded the patch (last Tuesday) I was impressed because my magBlade's dps went up about 5k, was cautiously optimistic that performance did get better.

But after update I have ability lag/inability to cast on my healers. I can't reproduce it in house or in towns/overworld but it happens consistently in boss fights in dungeons. My guild thought I was going crazy when I asked if there was a cast time added on Springs/Combat Prayer/Budding Seeds, or if they were just bugged for anyone else. On a vICP pledge where I stopped everything and just spammed Healing Springs for 6 seconds, it never went off. Wasn't charged mag for it, but my templar was just throwing his hands in the air and nothing happened. Extended Ritual went off as soon as I pressed it.

I've been asked if I'm actually running Ele Drain on pledges (I am) but it doesn't activate in most fights unless I double-triple tap it.

After it started happening I kept a ping -t up on the other screen while running pledges. One night it was probably lag, I had timeouts now and then, but other nights my ping was steady around 22ms and skills just wouldn't go off.

I've tried disabling outdated addons before pledges: there's no change. It still happens, infrequently, randomly disabling or taking longer to cast skills. I figured the patch would fix it. It hasn't (fixed the crashes though).

Regardless, I think I'm switching to normal dungeons for the time being. This has ruined a few deathless runs and I don't have a way on my end to make it stop

Dyride

Honestly, the crashing was almost a welcome change compared to the lag that has been since the fix.

Malmai

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey folks, for those of you reporting new issues with weapon swapping, ability responsiveness delay, hitching or FPS spikes as of today on PC/Mac, are you using any addons and have you tried turning off out-of-date addons? We ask because we did make an update to the API today (see the note below) and it may have resulted in some addons being out of date.

Addons

• Refactored the chat formatting API to preserve existing use cases.

If you are not using any addons or have out-of-date addons turn off, please let us know? We'd like to rule that out if it's not the culprit. Also please note that if you noticed these issues with the Update 25 launch, we are aware and investigating.

Please stop with this blame on addons, the game is broken since 2014 and you know it. Its same with addons or without. I tested and its same fps and lag...

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO

Tested without addons, delayed skills still happen, lag spikes are bad. Frame drops and stuttering still happening. Long load screens still happening (I use Crucial SSD)

juhislihis19

Malmai wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey folks, for those of you reporting new issues with weapon swapping, ability responsiveness delay, hitching or FPS spikes as of today on PC/Mac, are you using any addons and have you tried turning off out-of-date addons? We ask because we did make an update to the API today (see the note below) and it may have resulted in some addons being out of date.

Addons

• Refactored the chat formatting API to preserve existing use cases.

If you are not using any addons or have out-of-date addons turn off, please let us know? We'd like to rule that out if it's not the culprit. Also please note that if you noticed these issues with the Update 25 launch, we are aware and investigating.

Please stop with this blame on addons, the game is broken since 2014 and you know it. Its same with addons or without. I tested and its same fps and lag...

What kind of addons can I turn off on PS4? Because I sure as hell have the same problems everyone else have on PC.

technohic

Dyride wrote: »

Honestly, the crashing was almost a welcome change compared to the lag that has been since the fix.

Yep. I'd take the crashes back.

L2Pissue

Zenimax have one of the prettiest servers and databases of any video game, sometimes i wish they favored functionality over good looks😣

iCaliban

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

Tested without addons, delayed skills still happen, lag spikes are bad. Frame drops and stuttering still happening. Long load screens still happening (I use Crucial SSD)

Ive had multiple near infinite load screens attempting to log in since monday. Pretty soon im gonna stop trying

TequilaFire

I suspect some stealth tinkering during one of the maintenance/patches on all platforms they didn't tell us about back fired.

BAWITDABAW

i rage quit last night because of how long it was taking to break free

some games will run perfectly smooth and others will desync so bad its unplayable

Lortie

The ability unresponsiveness from update 25 is still a major issue after the crash hotfix. Before update 25 and the block changes you could play cyro when it was 1 or 2 bar and now its a ***-show no matter what the pop is and its even crept into BGs making them a roll of the dice as to weather you can cc break that fatal cc or not. Its not addons and anyone that says "Just disable your addons, 4head" is either trolling or hasn't played the game since update 25 dropped. Its something on ZOS's end probably having something to do with the rework to block. Both update 24 & 25 were falsely marketed as performance improvement updates and did the COMPLETE OPPOSITE; they made the game significantly worse, some might consider that fraud. I'm just a player thats played through good times and bad and wants to see the game improve.

Oh and btw if you spam block it disconnects you so...solid update ZOS, job well done. More updates like these and no one will be able to play ESO.

Sanguinor2

Thinking About getting reactive if this continues in the next weeks^^

Lortie

The introduction of the Auto-Break-Free set almost makes me think they knew that the break-free delay was going to be a issue before they even release the patch. *thinking*

Nightwiish

Sarousse wrote: »

Add to all this mess the fact that the 2 optimisation patches didn't fix the random FPS yoyo :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ynT_jNuw4

It goes from 140 to 60, with insane stuttering, then goes back up.

I have this exact issue on my end. Same thing. Even in the middle of no where in Cyro goes from 140 to 50 ish, just like what you showed.

precambria

The CC lag and skills not working specifically 2hander execute has gotten MUCH worse since some time this morning, bump

Cinbri

MrWright72 wrote: »

The introduction of the Auto-Break-Free set almost makes me think they knew that the break-free delay was going to be a issue before they even release the patch. *thinking*

Thing is - this set don't help at all coz autobreak is also delayed and you just getting killed before set even trigger. Made me regret wasting resources on crafting it.

Gatdangmayne

TequilaFire wrote: »

I suspect some stealth tinkering during one of the maintenance/patches on all platforms they didn't tell us about back fired.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Kynetik

Has anyone from the ZOS team acknowledged these problems? I feel like all they are doing is just locking/editing/removing threads/comments and blaming addons

oXI_Viper_IXo

Kynetik wrote: »

Has anyone from the ZOS team acknowledged these problems? I feel like all they are doing is just locking/editing/removing threads/comments and blaming addons

Barely. They've sparsely commented in a few select threads but they really should have a stickied post addressing the issue.