Delayed abilities and break free

iCaliban

This post is not about cyrodil lag.

Many guild members and myself have noticed frequent and consistently delayed abilities and lag when breaking free. Neither was supposed to be changed with the patch. Can we get some information on this?

Edit: 1) skills will not fire unless pressed multiple times 2) break free is not responsive 3) ults failing to cast if block or bar swap cancelled. 4) all occuring in places not normally seen such as bgs or pve.

Edit post zos response: input lag still present after mondays maintenance patch. Break free and abilities not as responsive as prior to update 25. Only 1 non out of date addon in use is action duration reminder

Update: friendly pets and blood altar cause loss of LOS now. Example: friendly matriarch between you and your target, skills wont fire even if in range

ykculnu

iCaliban wrote: »

As we know, animation cancelling via blocking was changed this patch. This post is not about that.

Many guild members and myself have noticed frequent and consistently delayed abilities and lag when breaking free. Neither was supposed to be changed with the patch. Can we get some information on this?

I can't reliably cast toppling charge into jabs, crescent sweep, or really anything. My character just kinda sits there for 0.5 - 1 second and then starts to cast. My burst is basically dead.

olsborg

Yea i notice delays on skills and ccbreak, often.

Lortie

olsborg wrote: »

Yea i notice delays on skills and ccbreak, often.

what he said

Stebarnz

Im used to the lag as i play on PCNA from the UK so i may not have noticed this, cant really play in cyro as crash every 10 mins gets irritating but ill check when i can play consistantly. Thx for heads up.

Lortie

Yeah, im not sure what they did but pvp just doesn't feel fluid since the last patch.

iCaliban

MrWright72 wrote: »

Yeah, im not sure what they did but pvp just doesn't feel fluid since the last patch.

Agreed. Frequently abilities wont fire. Break free is incredibly slow. Its frustrating

oXI_Viper_IXo

It's been like this on console since the Feb 5th patch. Super frustrating.

AMeanOne

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

It's been like this on console since the Feb 5th patch. Super frustrating.

Yeah skills can take 2-4 seconds before firing off on ps4. Its wild out there

fastolfv_ESO

its been like this since elswyr on my sorc when instant frags procs i cant cast til its gone, and thats without ping spiking and i run on a very good connection every class seems to get this for some abilitys and break free just has one hell of a delay

jadarock

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

It's been like this on console since the Feb 5th patch. Super frustrating.

Yeah not sure how people have fun and continue to play. I'd love to resume playing but its pointless and unhealthy for me atm. Nothing like bursting someone down only to have the game pump the breaks on me finishing them off.

It's not fun or fluid combat anymore.

Have they even acknowledged how broke combat is now?!

jadarock

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

its been like this since elswyr on my sorc when instant frags procs i cant cast til its gone, and thats without ping spiking and i run on a very good connection every class seems to get this for some abilitys and break free just has one hell of a delay

Delay?? I can hear and see the break free animation happen 2,3 or 4 times and my char is still cc'd smh
I'm not even logging in anymore after almost 4 years of playing. It's sad to see this incredible game end up like this.

D0PAMINE

@iCaliban Wall of Elements and Volley are very buggy for me. Sometime I press buttons numerous times to get the skill to fire off, and im still charged Mag or Stam. This happens in PvE and PvP for me.

Mr_Walker

jadarock wrote: »

Yeah not sure how people have fun and continue to play. I'd love to resume playing but its pointless and unhealthy for me atm. Nothing like bursting someone down only to have the game pump the breaks on me finishing them off.

Laatvulon on Xbox NA. Skills fire pretty good there, even in prime time. Of course, that campaign doesn't attract the same number of skill spamming ball groups as Kaal. Not finger pointing, but.....

precambria

I can no longer do combo's of any kind, in the past my overwhelm with dots attack was BB, heavy/ fire a inject poison as it goes off LA/acidspray all of those would be hitting pretty fast than I charge with stampede blastbone hits around then (if it does the spell was still broken) blight goes off and execute, that could all happen in basically 3 quick bursts which would either kill or push somebody into healing or backbar.

NOW, each one of those actions happens slowly one after another like 1 per second, each one of those seconds they can choose to just heal, for EG: a templar with low defensive stats and clearly no PVP experience was countering all my dmg yesterday by just spamming instant burst heals, no LOSing not even block cast, but the dmg came at them so slowly I could not kill them... You can literally be a tank and dominate now because the damage is so low, my dmg done per game has gone down 500-700 THOUSAND just from input lag. (also consider I was facing some of the best players in the game before and now it's people with NO impen who don't block or kite, funny enough no name magsorcs are doing 7k + score without even healing constantly now HMMM)

Break free has been cancelled, ironic because they just added a set which auto breaks free LOL does it even work I wonder.

Ults, you will hear the sound effect and see the animation but it won't have actually gone off which is not new tbh I was getting that constantly before this patch. Somehow though you will still get destroyed by magcro ults lolol, and gravetards are at an all time high because it's the only real burst still in the game.

Self buffs specifically NETCH and SPIRIT mender which oh look are both pets which was addressed in the "performance patch" WONT CAST they just flat out don't go off if used in combat with other players, other self buffs like rally often won't cast you can look at the icon on your screen receiving inputs *try this, count how many times you can press the key before the spell begins to activate* I can count 5-7 on the OVERLAND. in a PVP area or especially in combat it goes to over TEN we are talking full on 2 second delays and because you are used to barswapping after using it you will probably SWAP and the spell will be cancelled from working so your choice is swap back and try to use it again, or just go without your critical buff or DIE because that was your heal that didn't go off.

What have they said so far, they are going to address the crashes, ok but what about the fact that the game is literally broken now lol? is this intended or is there some major problem that has causes combat to become a turn based card game or is that what you want it to be like now.... because I feel like we deserve to know especially when you are trying to sell us 70$ content downloads... or you know have customers who preordered for a game which no longer exists.

PS: performance has not improved at all, If one day we wake up and this is all sorted out will I feel bad for letting them know what's up with their game? no not at all because they have said nothing even close to satisfactory to address this which is basically gaslighting their costumers

iCaliban

Mr_Walker wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

Yeah not sure how people have fun and continue to play. I'd love to resume playing but its pointless and unhealthy for me atm. Nothing like bursting someone down only to have the game pump the breaks on me finishing them off.

Laatvulon on Xbox NA. Skills fire pretty good there, even in prime time. Of course, that campaign doesn't attract the same number of skill spamming ball groups as Kaal. Not finger pointing, but.....

Two things: console has not gotten the patch. My post is targeted at issues which have arisen since Tuesday.

Secondly: ability/break free lag is present even in bgs and solo pve. Neither of which has ever had cyrodil like lag. This is a different issue

jadarock

Mr_Walker wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

Yeah not sure how people have fun and continue to play. I'd love to resume playing but its pointless and unhealthy for me atm. Nothing like bursting someone down only to have the game pump the breaks on me finishing them off.

Laatvulon on Xbox NA. Skills fire pretty good there, even in prime time. Of course, that campaign doesn't attract the same number of skill spamming ball groups as Kaal. Not finger pointing, but.....

Well Walker I've homed the main campaign for going on 4 years now if I cant play there I wont play.
Rarely do I group I main a stamblade and prefer to solo , scout and or surf. I call out keeps and outposts that are under attack so my alliance can come defend. It doesnt matter if we are 1 or 3 bar skills dont fire and I'd wager everything I have the pop is less than half of what it was in Haddy 2016.
This trash where skills aren't firing started on the 5th of feb after the update/patch/maintenance.....

Granicus

Same here. Sometimes my Puncturing Sweeps don’t fire now and sometimes I die since it’s also a main heal. As well, sometimes when I try to roll out/jump back out of red and I stutter step and die (with plenty of stamina). ZOS, how can you keep fixing one thing and break three others?

MajThorax

I also have lag when casting skills which results in lower dps.

Casterial

iCaliban wrote: »

As we know, animation cancelling via blocking was changed this patch. This post is not about that.

Many guild members and myself have noticed frequent and consistently delayed abilities and lag when breaking free. Neither was supposed to be changed with the patch. Can we get some information on this?

Actually it has to do with the block change. Animation takes priority, all skills are normally instant. This means eventually these long animations can't keep up with the amount of skills going off causing some skills to not cast, or get major delays while the server catches up.

Ironic right? Fixing this was suppose to help client to server relation, it just made it slightly worse.

MaxJrFTW

Casterial wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

As we know, animation cancelling via blocking was changed this patch. This post is not about that.

Many guild members and myself have noticed frequent and consistently delayed abilities and lag when breaking free. Neither was supposed to be changed with the patch. Can we get some information on this?

Actually it has to do with the block change. Animation takes priority, all skills are normally instant. This means eventually these long animations can't keep up with the amount of skills going off causing some skills to not cast, or get major delays while the server catches up.

Ironic right? Fixing this was suppose to help client to server relation, it just made it slightly worse.

"slightly"

Casterial

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

As we know, animation cancelling via blocking was changed this patch. This post is not about that.

Many guild members and myself have noticed frequent and consistently delayed abilities and lag when breaking free. Neither was supposed to be changed with the patch. Can we get some information on this?

Actually it has to do with the block change. Animation takes priority, all skills are normally instant. This means eventually these long animations can't keep up with the amount of skills going off causing some skills to not cast, or get major delays while the server catches up.

Ironic right? Fixing this was suppose to help client to server relation, it just made it slightly worse.

"slightly"

Gotta' play nice or get ZOSd!

Gato12

There are pvp players, who still don't crash, are able to do their rotation, don't obviously have any lag, do alot of burst damage in one second. Maybe this is just one more puzzle, you need to learn the pig holes and take advantage of all the bugs.

Casterial

Gato12 wrote: »

There are pvp players, who still don't crash, are able to do their rotation, don't obviously have any lag, do alot of burst damage in one second. Maybe this is just one more puzzle, you need to learn the pig holes and take advantage of all the bugs.

I don't know a single PVPer who doesn't complain about lag.

Opalblade

I've been getting this too. Seems like sometimes even switching bars is delayed.

Gato12

Casterial wrote: »

Gato12 wrote: »

There are pvp players, who still don't crash, are able to do their rotation, don't obviously have any lag, do alot of burst damage in one second. Maybe this is just one more puzzle, you need to learn the pig holes and take advantage of all the bugs.

I don't know a single PVPer who doesn't complain about lag.

Well, that't not the point imo. Some people just don't suffer from lag so much. Maybe they have done their home work, practising how to avoid lag, what skills and rotation to use, how to take advantage of all these bugs.

precambria

You can go watch streamer right now who is not experiencing any significant input lag, is the game running 100% smoothly with no latency no, they mentioned it a few times but there are people who cannot even cast a buff on themselves or do any combination of more than one skill followed sometime after by another.

This actually gives me great hope that a lot of this is a serious failure of the server and not a design direction but it almost certainly is being made far worse by whatever they tweaked, to the point of breaking it for some people

Casterial

precambria wrote: »

You can go watch streamer right now who is not experiencing any significant input lag, is the game running 100% smoothly with no latency no, they mentioned it a few times but there are people who cannot even cast a buff on themselves or do any combination of more than one skill followed sometime after by another.

This actually gives me great hope that a lot of this is a serious failure of the server and not a design direction but it almost certainly is being made far worse by whatever they tweaked, to the point of breaking it for some people

Its very easy to avoid lag when no pop lock and not even 3 bars, you just avoid the zerg fights on map. But during pop lock the server will lag everywhere.

regime211

iCaliban wrote: »

As we know, animation cancelling via blocking was changed this patch. This post is not about that.

Many guild members and myself have noticed frequent and consistently delayed abilities and lag when breaking free. Neither was supposed to be changed with the patch. Can we get some information on this?

Break FREE IS HORRIBLE! Let alone I was streaming and was feared and had the fear animation on me as I was sliding across the floor lol

Thogard

Let’s see what it looks like next week. Patch week is always laggy, and this is the largest patch the game has ever had.

iCaliban

Thogard wrote: »

Let’s see what it looks like next week. Patch week is always laggy, and this is the largest patch the game has ever had.

This feels different. Almost deliberate. Ive never seen lag specifically like this IE: in low population environments or BGs with high framerates.

None of the other typical symptoms of eso combat lag are there. Game is not a slideshow, players are fully shown, abilities arent so much delayed as ignoring button presses entirely. Never seen anything like this, almost feels like they increased the GCD