ZOS! 1 billion+ GOLD LAUNDERING !! - (it was, now 1.25 billion+) please prioritize it.

Mr_Walker

Nothing wrong with this, and bots don't do anyone any harm. It can only be good for the game long term.

Mr_Walker

themaddaedra wrote: »

I have no proof of this and i can't name anyone in specific but i know people who are selling *millions* of crowns *every dam month*.

They're seriously selling 10s of 000s of dollars of crowns every month?

Cani wrote: »

Because if it isn't bots, that means the gold does come from somewhere else.

And that is truly concerning. Because those numbers, aren't just flying around. Its not like there are 50 people on every server that got to a billion gold with a bit of flipping.

Ah, yes, the literally billion dollar question. And it is concerning, as either the botting problem is larger than first thought, and by many, many orders of magnitude, or... where is this gold coming from? How is it being created? Remember, the sale of botted mats merely transfers gold around within the existing economy. As does the sale of crowns.

NoSoup

It could also be traders that are working together to artificially inflate prices.....

Thrasher91604

Yes, I’d really like to know where these billions of gold are coming from.

JJBoomer

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Ackwalan

5 pages and not a whisper from ZOS, not even a forum mod telling people to read the TOS. That says a lot. I get the feeling this is not a common bot problem or even a gold seller problem, but something much larger and game economics problem, like a gold duping problem.

jazsper77

Cani wrote: »

jazsper77 wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Bots can not make hundreds of million golds out of those silly nodes. Y'all a bit overthinking about their abilities tbh they are annoying af but they no way can reach these amounts at least not in reasonable time of grinding.

My theory would be that these gold sellers are mostly crown sellers. Buying crowns from cheap regions (like Argentina) then selling those crowns for gold (price per each is stupid high on PC EU) and they are selling those golds back somehow making profit out of this process.

I have no proof of this and i can't name anyone in specific but i know people who are selling *millions* of crowns *every dam month*. Can someone tell me one single reason to do so if they are not selling those gold back? There's literally nothing you can do with billions and billions of golds in this game.

Of course i'm just speculating but this is the only explanation that makes sense to me.

You would be wrong.
1 bot route in Bal Foyan is 9 nodes every 30 seconds. 18 nodes a minute x 60 minutes x 24 hrs
Top of my head is 25k ish

That is one bot and Bal Foyan usually has a 7 bot train. 7x 25k

So yes botters make billions easy

Oh great! Some maths. Alright lets do this.

Lest take your numbers as an example, shall we?

You have given 7x 25k in 24 hours, since there are 7 bots, right?

Thats 175k, correct?

So 175kx7 to see the weekly numbers seven bots can pull. (1.225.000gold)

That means it would be roughly 5 Million in a Month, if my calculations are correct.

So you would need 10 Months to get 50 Million. 100 Months to get 500 Million.

Lets refresh, 100 Months are around 8 Years.

Yeah, seems doable. Not a problem.

Lets double the amount of bots that run around there. That means 4 years (if they dont take away each others nodes)

So now we have 14 bots running around in Bal Foyen. You would see them EVERY second of EVERY day for FOUR years, to get HALF of the amount discussed in that post.....

You all are underestimating the number one Billion..

One million seconds are 12 days.

One billion seconds are 31 Years

Lolz . Wrong Wrong and wrong
That’s 1 bot train in 1 instance in 1 area. But because your a know it all would you like me to list all the bot train locations and numbers in game. Plus do the math on how many instances are in the game.
Lolz

I just about covered that other nonsense

themaddaedra

jazsper77 wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Bots can not make hundreds of million golds out of those silly nodes. Y'all a bit overthinking about their abilities tbh they are annoying af but they no way can reach these amounts at least not in reasonable time of grinding.

My theory would be that these gold sellers are mostly crown sellers. Buying crowns from cheap regions (like Argentina) then selling those crowns for gold (price per each is stupid high on PC EU) and they are selling those golds back somehow making profit out of this process.

I have no proof of this and i can't name anyone in specific but i know people who are selling *millions* of crowns *every dam month*. Can someone tell me one single reason to do so if they are not selling those gold back? There's literally nothing you can do with billions and billions of golds in this game.

Of course i'm just speculating but this is the only explanation that makes sense to me.

You would be wrong.
1 bot route in Bal Foyan is 9 nodes every 30 seconds. 18 nodes a minute x 60 minutes x 24 hrs
Top of my head is 25k ish

That is one bot and Bal Foyan usually has a 7 bot train. 7x 25k

So yes botters make billions easy

Even that crippled abomination in there disguised in math proves they can't make billions in real time. You already proved yourself wrong.

jazsper77 wrote: »

Cani wrote: »

jazsper77 wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Bots can not make hundreds of million golds out of those silly nodes. Y'all a bit overthinking about their abilities tbh they are annoying af but they no way can reach these amounts at least not in reasonable time of grinding.

My theory would be that these gold sellers are mostly crown sellers. Buying crowns from cheap regions (like Argentina) then selling those crowns for gold (price per each is stupid high on PC EU) and they are selling those golds back somehow making profit out of this process.

I have no proof of this and i can't name anyone in specific but i know people who are selling *millions* of crowns *every dam month*. Can someone tell me one single reason to do so if they are not selling those gold back? There's literally nothing you can do with billions and billions of golds in this game.

Of course i'm just speculating but this is the only explanation that makes sense to me.

You would be wrong.
1 bot route in Bal Foyan is 9 nodes every 30 seconds. 18 nodes a minute x 60 minutes x 24 hrs
Top of my head is 25k ish

That is one bot and Bal Foyan usually has a 7 bot train. 7x 25k

So yes botters make billions easy

Oh great! Some maths. Alright lets do this.

Lest take your numbers as an example, shall we?

You have given 7x 25k in 24 hours, since there are 7 bots, right?

Thats 175k, correct?

So 175kx7 to see the weekly numbers seven bots can pull. (1.225.000gold)

That means it would be roughly 5 Million in a Month, if my calculations are correct.

So you would need 10 Months to get 50 Million. 100 Months to get 500 Million.

Lets refresh, 100 Months are around 8 Years.

Yeah, seems doable. Not a problem.

Lets double the amount of bots that run around there. That means 4 years (if they dont take away each others nodes)

So now we have 14 bots running around in Bal Foyen. You would see them EVERY second of EVERY day for FOUR years, to get HALF of the amount discussed in that post.....

You all are underestimating the number one Billion..

One million seconds are 12 days.

One billion seconds are 31 Years

Lolz . Wrong Wrong and wrong
That’s 1 bot train in 1 instance in 1 area. But because your a know it all would you like me to list all the bot train locations and numbers in game. Plus do the math on how many instances are in the game.
Lolz

I just about covered that other nonsense

So are you saying every single bot in every single instance in the game is same dude?

Even then just a heads up: you need to grind approx 550k a day for 5 years to reach 1 single billion.

You need to grind approx 2.75m per day to grind 1 single billion in a year.

This by no means on earth can be done by bot farming. You either never farmed nodes yourself, or grinded gold by farming nodes, or have no idea what a math is, or all at the same time.

Edit: *lolz*

Dusk_Coven

They said they were going to take action on the costume exploit weeks ago and not a peep. (I mean, can we at least get some stats on how many accounts and what type of action was taken? Other games like FFXIV and SWTOR deliver monthly counts on action taken against RMT and cheaters -- it's not like they can't keep count while they're doing it).

You expect them to do something about this too? @ZOS_GinaBruno

JN_Slevin

jazsper77 wrote: »

Cani wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

jazsper77 wrote: »

1 bot route in Bal Foyan is 9 nodes every 30 seconds. 18 nodes a minute x 60 minutes x 24 hrs
Top of my head is 25k ish

That is one bot and Bal Foyan usually has a 7 bot train. 7x 25k

So yes botters make billions easy

If one bot = 25k per day & a 7 bot train makes 7x25k=175k per day... then to make one billion gold would take approximately 15 years. 1,000,000,000 / 175,000 = 5714 days = 15.6 years.

Well, i think we got over the point even though we did the math diffently

That’s 1 bot lol and 1 instance . Please keep up . Your are also coming up with $ figure out thin air on how much is being made daily off that 1 bot lolz

Plz bud stick to RP

First of all, i did not come up with that figure. You did.
I just span your wheel a bit further.

jazsper77 wrote: »

Cani wrote: »

jazsper77 wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Bots can not make hundreds of million golds out of those silly nodes. Y'all a bit overthinking about their abilities tbh they are annoying af but they no way can reach these amounts at least not in reasonable time of grinding.

My theory would be that these gold sellers are mostly crown sellers. Buying crowns from cheap regions (like Argentina) then selling those crowns for gold (price per each is stupid high on PC EU) and they are selling those golds back somehow making profit out of this process.

I have no proof of this and i can't name anyone in specific but i know people who are selling *millions* of crowns *every dam month*. Can someone tell me one single reason to do so if they are not selling those gold back? There's literally nothing you can do with billions and billions of golds in this game.

Of course i'm just speculating but this is the only explanation that makes sense to me.

You would be wrong.
1 bot route in Bal Foyan is 9 nodes every 30 seconds. 18 nodes a minute x 60 minutes x 24 hrs
Top of my head is 25k ish

That is one bot and Bal Foyan usually has a 7 bot train. 7x 25k

So yes botters make billions easy

Oh great! Some maths. Alright lets do this.

Lest take your numbers as an example, shall we?

You have given 7x 25k in 24 hours, since there are 7 bots, right?

Thats 175k, correct?

So 175kx7 to see the weekly numbers seven bots can pull. (1.225.000gold)

That means it would be roughly 5 Million in a Month, if my calculations are correct.

So you would need 10 Months to get 50 Million. 100 Months to get 500 Million.

Lets refresh, 100 Months are around 8 Years.

Yeah, seems doable. Not a problem.

Lets double the amount of bots that run around there. That means 4 years (if they dont take away each others nodes)

So now we have 14 bots running around in Bal Foyen. You would see them EVERY second of EVERY day for FOUR years, to get HALF of the amount discussed in that post.....

You all are underestimating the number one Billion..

One million seconds are 12 days.

One billion seconds are 31 Years

Lolz . Wrong Wrong and wrong
That’s 1 bot train in 1 instance in 1 area. But because your a know it all would you like me to list all the bot train locations and numbers in game. Plus do the math on how many instances are in the game.
Lolz

I just about covered that other nonsense

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

BNOC

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

JN_Slevin

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

There is a diffrence between a bot and a real player.

They are not on the level of the Goggle AI... They do mostly 3 things, Run, Collect and press one (sometimes 2) abilities to kill some random mobs.

Now you tell me how you can do 2 Million a day, with these 3 things.

Of course a human can do that much in a day. But a simple script, cant.

BNOC

Cani wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

There is a diffrence between a bot and a real player.

They are not on the level of the Goggle AI... They do mostly 3 things, Run, Collect and press one (sometimes 2) abilities to kill some random mobs.

Now you tell me how you can do 2 Million a day, with these 3 things.

Of course a human can do that much in a day. But a simple script, cant.

Whilst that's a fair point and I agree that they're not making that much, I was just saying it's possible.

I've followed the bots because they invaded my old loops and can say they hustle, they're doing 1k ore an hour in some loops, with god knows how many accounts. Even if they're only doing 1k ore an hour that's around 60k p/h in unrefined mats (at least our prices)

Add on the fact that it's not productive for a botter to have a single account and you're talking (60k * # of accounts) * hours played.

That's some serious gold, very quickly.

JN_Slevin

BNOC wrote: »

Cani wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

There is a diffrence between a bot and a real player.

They are not on the level of the Goggle AI... They do mostly 3 things, Run, Collect and press one (sometimes 2) abilities to kill some random mobs.

Now you tell me how you can do 2 Million a day, with these 3 things.

Of course a human can do that much in a day. But a simple script, cant.

Whilst that's a fair point and I agree that they're not making that much, I was just saying it's possible.

I've followed the bots because they invaded my old loops and can say they hustle, they're doing 1k ore an hour in some loops, with god knows how many accounts. Even if they're only doing 1k ore an hour that's around 60k p/h in unrefined mats (at least our prices)

Add on the fact that it's not productive for a botter to have a single account and you're talking (60k * # of accounts) * hours played.

That's some serious gold, very quickly.

With that i agree. They can do way more than @jazsper77 described. My calculations were only based on his arbitrary numbers.

Sadly i don't think any guild is completely safe of bots. It takes a while for them to get spotted. But in my experience bots (those singular ones running around Bleakrock etc. for Raw Ores can do around 1 - 2m (depending on the spot of the guild) a week. But even if we think about that. 2m a week, is still 500 Weeks to get to a billion.

The problem is, you can't just drop 75 Bots on Bleakrock.

You can turn it as you want. But the more you think about it, the less likely it gets bots do this amount of gold in a feasable timespan. Remember, even though ZOS could do much, much more, its not like one bot can run around for 2 years... At some point they will get banned.

ZonasArch

Emma_Overload wrote: »

OsManiaC wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

So what? Why are you snooping on other peoples transactions in the first place?

It would be great of all the busybodies on these forums did something useful like ban that crook in Rawlkha who keeps selling fake Spell Power Pots. Now THAT is a lynch mob I would be happy to join!

Sorry, I could not understand your post. You want us to look the other way when suspicious activities happening?

If other peoples' activities are not clearly causing a problem, then it's a good idea to mind your own business. I don't see anything in these screenshots that indicates a problem.

I then pointed out that time and energy would be better spent banning an actual SCAMMER. What's hard to understand about that?

Gold laundering affects game play Big Time, since it can flip the economy and the traders in an unfair way.

There, this is why we worry and need to stop it. Is it clear enough now?

ZonasArch

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

I call BS. Not just BS. I call big fat pile of BS.

BNOC

Cani wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Cani wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

There is a diffrence between a bot and a real player.

They are not on the level of the Goggle AI... They do mostly 3 things, Run, Collect and press one (sometimes 2) abilities to kill some random mobs.

Now you tell me how you can do 2 Million a day, with these 3 things.

Of course a human can do that much in a day. But a simple script, cant.

Whilst that's a fair point and I agree that they're not making that much, I was just saying it's possible.

I've followed the bots because they invaded my old loops and can say they hustle, they're doing 1k ore an hour in some loops, with god knows how many accounts. Even if they're only doing 1k ore an hour that's around 60k p/h in unrefined mats (at least our prices)

Add on the fact that it's not productive for a botter to have a single account and you're talking (60k * # of accounts) * hours played.

That's some serious gold, very quickly.

With that i agree. They can do way more than @jazsper77 described. My calculations were only based on his arbitrary numbers.

Sadly i don't think any guild is completely safe of bots. It takes a while for them to get spotted. But in my experience bots (those singular ones running around Bleakrock etc. for Raw Ores can do around 1 - 2m (depending on the spot of the guild) a week. But even if we think about that. 2m a week, is still 500 Weeks to get to a billion.

The problem is, you can't just drop 75 Bots on Bleakrock.

You can turn it as you want. But the more you think about it, the less likely it gets bots do this amount of gold in a feasable timespan. Remember, even though ZOS could do much, much more, its not like one bot can run around for 2 years... At some point they will get banned.

It's not even all guilds, I see so many selling in game chat and with the profit to be made at their prices, it's hard for some people (generally clueless to bots) to turn down so who knows how much goes through face-to-face trades on top of the guild selling.

Yeah some are banned so there's a lot of gold lost in transit along the way but it's a small price to pay for them you know; what's 1/xxx.

I used to run loops a lot and I found some completely random ones that were much stronger thanks to bots that I just followed, you'll be surprised how good non-starter zones loops are.

I know on Xbox EU:

• 10k crowns is 1M gold
• 21k crowns (best value) is £54 for 10k crowns
• 1M is worth £25-30 cash

I know it's not ideal but I don't think ZOS do themselves any favours deterring bots with their pricing. These websites sell 4.5M for the price of ZOS' 2.1M on our server.

I remember at uni when my housemates and I played Fifa, we could buy 1M coins for £7 and open 133 packs - If we bought Fifa's own currency than we'd pay the same amount and only get 7 packs - Obviously we just bought gold.

If you think about it with even your lower numbers of 2M a bot per week, that's like £50 per bot a week * bot count, these guys are not going to stop. That's a better wage with only 10 bots than some people make working full time.

They're hard to tackle.

Varana

NoSoup wrote: »

It could also be traders that are working together to artificially inflate prices.....

Because everyone knows: Roast Pig is where the money's at! Buy now and sell later and earn literal trillions!
Roast Pig, man, everyone wants that, let's ride that train to money town!


That may work for some items. It's total nonsense with Surilie Grapes and David Cameron (a.k.a. "f...ing roast pig").

BNOC

ZonasArch wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

I call BS. Not just BS. I call big fat pile of BS.

Which bit?

JN_Slevin

BNOC wrote: »

Cani wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Cani wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

There is a diffrence between a bot and a real player.

They are not on the level of the Goggle AI... They do mostly 3 things, Run, Collect and press one (sometimes 2) abilities to kill some random mobs.

Now you tell me how you can do 2 Million a day, with these 3 things.

Of course a human can do that much in a day. But a simple script, cant.

Whilst that's a fair point and I agree that they're not making that much, I was just saying it's possible.

I've followed the bots because they invaded my old loops and can say they hustle, they're doing 1k ore an hour in some loops, with god knows how many accounts. Even if they're only doing 1k ore an hour that's around 60k p/h in unrefined mats (at least our prices)

Add on the fact that it's not productive for a botter to have a single account and you're talking (60k * # of accounts) * hours played.

That's some serious gold, very quickly.

With that i agree. They can do way more than @jazsper77 described. My calculations were only based on his arbitrary numbers.

Sadly i don't think any guild is completely safe of bots. It takes a while for them to get spotted. But in my experience bots (those singular ones running around Bleakrock etc. for Raw Ores can do around 1 - 2m (depending on the spot of the guild) a week. But even if we think about that. 2m a week, is still 500 Weeks to get to a billion.

The problem is, you can't just drop 75 Bots on Bleakrock.

You can turn it as you want. But the more you think about it, the less likely it gets bots do this amount of gold in a feasable timespan. Remember, even though ZOS could do much, much more, its not like one bot can run around for 2 years... At some point they will get banned.

It's not even all guilds, I see so many selling in game chat and with the profit to be made at their prices, it's hard for some people (generally clueless to bots) to turn down so who knows how much goes through face-to-face trades on top of the guild selling.

Yeah some are banned so there's a lot of gold lost in transit along the way but it's a small price to pay for them you know; what's 1/xxx.

I used to run loops a lot and I found some completely random ones that were much stronger thanks to bots that I just followed, you'll be surprised how good non-starter zones loops are.

I know on Xbox EU:

• 10k crowns is 1M gold
• 21k crowns (best value) is £54 for 10k crowns
• 1M is worth £25-30 cash

I know it's not ideal but I don't think ZOS do themselves any favours deterring bots with their pricing. These websites sell 4.5M for the price of ZOS' 2.1M on our server.

I remember at uni when my housemates and I played Fifa, we could buy 1M coins for £7 and open 133 packs - If we bought Fifa's own currency than we'd pay the same amount and only get 7 packs - Obviously we just bought gold.

If you think about it with even your lower numbers of 2M a bot per week, that's like £50 per bot a week * bot count, these guys are not going to stop. That's a better wage with only 10 bots than some people make working full time.

They're hard to tackle.

Your math is flawed (sorry)

You won't get the same rate for gold selling compared to crown selling. I don't know the rate. But it can't be the same rate, since its MUCH more risk on the buyer. But thats beside the point.

Even, if its bought gold or anything. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU GO AND DO THAT AMOUNT WITHIN A WEEK. It does not matter from what angle you look at it. It doesn't make sense...

If that amount discussed here, is indeed from bots and gold selling, don't you think ALOT more buyers would have bought some of that in the time they need to get that gold? I mean lets throw away ALL calculations. I think we all agree you won't get that in a week. Heck, even in a month. It takes longer, noone can deny that.

So why isn't some of that already bought and in other players hands? Why is it SO MUCH? Is this leftover gold?

I just cannot wrap my head around it, its gets weirder (more weird?) the more you dig into it.

BNOC

Cani wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Cani wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Cani wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

There is a diffrence between a bot and a real player.

They are not on the level of the Goggle AI... They do mostly 3 things, Run, Collect and press one (sometimes 2) abilities to kill some random mobs.

Now you tell me how you can do 2 Million a day, with these 3 things.

Of course a human can do that much in a day. But a simple script, cant.

Whilst that's a fair point and I agree that they're not making that much, I was just saying it's possible.

I've followed the bots because they invaded my old loops and can say they hustle, they're doing 1k ore an hour in some loops, with god knows how many accounts. Even if they're only doing 1k ore an hour that's around 60k p/h in unrefined mats (at least our prices)

Add on the fact that it's not productive for a botter to have a single account and you're talking (60k * # of accounts) * hours played.

That's some serious gold, very quickly.

With that i agree. They can do way more than @jazsper77 described. My calculations were only based on his arbitrary numbers.

Sadly i don't think any guild is completely safe of bots. It takes a while for them to get spotted. But in my experience bots (those singular ones running around Bleakrock etc. for Raw Ores can do around 1 - 2m (depending on the spot of the guild) a week. But even if we think about that. 2m a week, is still 500 Weeks to get to a billion.

The problem is, you can't just drop 75 Bots on Bleakrock.

You can turn it as you want. But the more you think about it, the less likely it gets bots do this amount of gold in a feasable timespan. Remember, even though ZOS could do much, much more, its not like one bot can run around for 2 years... At some point they will get banned.

It's not even all guilds, I see so many selling in game chat and with the profit to be made at their prices, it's hard for some people (generally clueless to bots) to turn down so who knows how much goes through face-to-face trades on top of the guild selling.

Yeah some are banned so there's a lot of gold lost in transit along the way but it's a small price to pay for them you know; what's 1/xxx.

I used to run loops a lot and I found some completely random ones that were much stronger thanks to bots that I just followed, you'll be surprised how good non-starter zones loops are.

I know on Xbox EU:

• 10k crowns is 1M gold
• 21k crowns (best value) is £54 for 10k crowns
• 1M is worth £25-30 cash

I know it's not ideal but I don't think ZOS do themselves any favours deterring bots with their pricing. These websites sell 4.5M for the price of ZOS' 2.1M on our server.

I remember at uni when my housemates and I played Fifa, we could buy 1M coins for £7 and open 133 packs - If we bought Fifa's own currency than we'd pay the same amount and only get 7 packs - Obviously we just bought gold.

If you think about it with even your lower numbers of 2M a bot per week, that's like £50 per bot a week * bot count, these guys are not going to stop. That's a better wage with only 10 bots than some people make working full time.

They're hard to tackle.

Your math is flawed (sorry)

You won't get the same rate for gold selling compared to crown selling. I don't know the rate. But it can't be the same rate, since its MUCH more risk on the buyer. But thats beside the point.

Even, if its bought gold or anything. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU GO AND DO THAT AMOUNT WITHIN A WEEK. It does not matter on what angle you look at it. It doesn't make sense...

If that amount discussed here, is indeed from bots and gold selling, don't you think ALOT more buyers would have bought some of that in the time they need to get that gold? I mean lets throw away ALL calculations. I think we all agree you won't get that in a week. Heck, even in a month. It takes longer, noone can deny that.

So why isn't some of that already bought and in other players hands? Why is it SO MUCH? Is this leftover gold?

I just cannot wrap my head around it, its gets weirder the more you dig into it.

I googled the price of eso gold, it's literally £25 for 1M (Xbox EU) and on our platform it's 100g per crown, which makes 1M, 10k crowns and that is more than half the price of ZOS's 10k Crowns - I was just saying, their prices don't help combat bots at all, regardless of the potential risk.

Regarding that risk and I don't mean to advertise, but in our experiences on Fifa for the 4 years you could buy gold at a good value, they were really on the ball, quick and reliable - I'd be surprised if it was different on ESO because it's in their interests.

I actually thought about why anyone would buy that much gold, what if it's no different to stocks and investments? - The same way Runescape gold farming in Venezuela that provided people with 15* the countries minimum monthly wage was being traded around, who's to say Botter X didn't sell Botter Y 500M at £15 p/M that he'll see as an investment and drip feed back over time - Or one site selling to another and so on. It's impossible to know but with this much gold, they're obviously doing something with it.

Nobody needs that kinda gold in ESO but I'd guess it's better for them to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

Asardes

This thread makes me feel like a hobo

barney2525

Cirantille wrote: »

Jeesus, I cant even install add-ons properly and then there are these guys

How do they even do that or why do they even do that, what can you even buy with 20 millions

The biggest homes in the game and all the stuff you want to furnish them.

SeaGtGruff

As far as bots, keep in mind that they can't just run around forever, because once their inventory slots are filled, they'll still run around and try to harvest, but they won't be able to add anything more to their inventory. I know this happens, because if I'm running around farming behind a bot that's full, the node looks like a CP150 node to me, but it's got L1 mats in it.

My point is, if these bots are running around unable to pick up anything else for a while before their owner does whatever it is they do to clear the inventory again, that's money they aren't earning during the time between when their inventory filled up and when their inventory was dumped.

I can't comment on whatever's supposed to be going on, because I'm having trouble understanding it myself, maybe because the explanations seem to change from page to page within this thread:

They're laundering in-game gold obtained by bots. (But if the in-game gold came from other players' gold that was already in the economy, why does it even need to be "laundered"?)

No, they're transferring gold that somebody bought with real-world money. (Okay, if that's against the TOS, then it's bad.)

No, they're selling gold for real-world money that they obtained by using stolen credit cards to buy crowns they then sold for in-game gold, which they're now selling for real-world money and transferring to the purchasers via these crazy transactions. (Holy smokes, my head is spinning!)

No, they're laundering in-game gold that was obtained by using bots to farm mats every second of every day of every instance of every starter zone. (Okay, now we've come full circle back to that.)

I don't know if I've summarized those explanations correctly, because I'm still trying to scrape my brains off of the ceiling from my head exploding. I agree that something looks bonkers and suspicious about the transactions, partly because the amounts boggle my mind, and partly because the prices are clearly outrageous.

On the other hand, I think I have to agree with Emma that on their own the transactions don't prove anything. The best you can do is report the transactions to ZOS (which you've done) so they can look into things and determine whether something rotten is actually going on, and if so, take whatever action they deem to be warranted and feasible.

Posting repeated pleas to ZOS to speak up seems pointless to me, because we all know that their policy is to not discuss disciplinary actions, ever.

As for accusing Emma of "being one of 'em" because of her comments, that's just gross. It's like you see someone walking on a dark street wearing a hoodie, so you jump on him, shoot cellphone videos of yourself beating him up, call the cops, and then post the cellphone videos on social media while demanding to know (in that same social media) when the cops are going to show up. And then if some bystander questions your vigilantism, you start beating up on the bystander while shouting "You must be in with the criminal!" Sick.

Report suspicious activities to ZOS. Let them investigate it (if they feel investigation is warranted). Let them take appropriate action (if they feel action is warranted). And stop demanding that they go against their long-standing policies by keeping you informed about whether they've taken any disciplinary actions.

January1171

BNOC wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

I call BS. Not just BS. I call big fat pile of BS.

Which bit?

I would assume they're referring to being able to consistently able to make 5mil per day.

Juhasow

It looks like lot of people thinks ZoS should do something because it damages their profit from the game. I think in reality large part of that gold is used later to buy crowns because since ZoS released gifting , they're actually benefiting from the fact there are gold sellers in the game. Lately I've met few people in game that were proud they bought items from crown store like iron atronach with gold purchased on some website and it costed them 2x less real money they it would if they would buy crows from ESO website. And ZoS is not affected by transactions like that at all because at the end they're getting money for the crowns used to buy that iron atronach anyway. Gifting is literally encouraging gold selling companies to target ESO. I wouldnt be suprised if ZoS also started to notice massive infux of crown store items obtained in countries with lower average salaries ever since they released gifting. People in those countries thanks to cheap gold on the websites can now get crown store items for way less then they would've to spend if they would buy those crown personally. And ZoS is still getting regular amount of money.

KyraCROgnon

The only legit case i've seen of stuff being sold overpriced at a guild trader was when we were helping building the guild hall, buying overpriced white item to give the house decorator the gold to mass buy writs / stations . But we were nowhere that price range...

ZonasArch

BNOC wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

I call BS. Not just BS. I call big fat pile of BS.

Which bit?

ALL of it
About all this gold you can make in 4 hours. I used to hang out and around the biggest money makers in PC NA, and they would literally only make a couple million PROFIT per week. If that. Slaes maybe in the 8-10mi range. And these were the big fishes.

ku5h

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

Please tell me which way can you make that amount of gold that doesn't involve heavy reliance on luck. Those number are absurd.

Heatnix90 wrote: »

ITT casuals are mad that people with IRL cash are choosing to spend it to become wealthy ingame.

You are aware that if you bought biggest crown packs and sold them at highest price (400:1), 1MM gold is like 15k€?!

Rezdayn

ZonasArch wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

lol @ the people defending this. Either you are in on it, or were planning to try it yourself. Defending this clearly blatant gold selling/laundering is absolutely ridiculous. We're talking billions of gold here. The only way to legitimate obtain 1 billion gold is if you made 547,945 gold, PER DAY, over the course of 5 years. And I mean everyday, for 5 straight years. And this is starting to stretch into the multiple billions. its not feasible in a legitimate way.

There is clearly mass scale botting happening, or 3rd party gold selling, both disrupt the in game economy in a very harmful way. Both violate the ToS. Both are a scumbag moves. Defending that only signals to guilt, or a desire to participate in the bad behavior. period.

Cani wrote: »

Even if this happens in every starter Zone. So Khenartis Roost (1), Bleakrock (2), Stros M'Kai (3), Bal Foyen (4) and Betnikh (5), this would STILL take approx. 2 Years to get to that amount. And thats with 14 Bots in EVERY starter Zone, which NOT take away each others notes, running around EVERY second of EVERY day!

I dont even know what you are saying..

You guys either can't make gold or seriously underestimate how much can be made very easily, 550k a day is literally a doddle.

I can do 2-2.5M gold in 4 hours - Imagine what someone who didn't have a job or any other interests could be doing.

I've had a 6M~ day (that's was as much as I could take before boredom) so you could be doing 10M a day with ease if you were motivated; It's not even a year at 5m a day and that's based on a single account making the gold.

Granted they're probably not using the same methods but still, this didn't take them 5 years to generate.

I call BS. Not just BS. I call big fat pile of BS.

Which bit?

ALL of it
About all this gold you can make in 4 hours. I used to hang out and around the biggest money makers in PC NA, and they would literally only make a couple million PROFIT per week. If that. Slaes maybe in the 8-10mi range. And these were the big fishes.

Yea his original post made me laugh as well. I have had multiple 15m sale weeks over 4 trade guilds as a merchanter and my profit % was about 30% at best. So if I had a 10m sale week I only made 3m and ofc you dont always make 15m a week etc. Its comical some of the things people say... 2.5m in 4 hours of farming haha?... The top money makers in each server dont even farm... we just flip.. but whatever I guess...

What I originally wanted to say though...

This thread neatly sums up online communities... I honestly have no damned idea how people can defend gold laundering and how someone can come to the conclusion that its okay because they fail to understand how it damages the economy of a game..

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I will never understand how people can simultaneously care about such pointless things and defend such pointless things.. Eh people..

Edit for Naming and Shaming.