ZOS! 1 billion+ GOLD LAUNDERING !! - (it was, now 1.25 billion+) please prioritize it.

OsManiaC

ZOS, I'd really appreciate it if you tell us why these guys still in-game? - these are the ones get caught what about the others?

Kind thanks for the GMs. They kicked them

Guild 1 - 379m




Guild 2 - 689m





Guild 3 & Guild 4 -15m



Guild 5 - 279m






@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom


Some detailed example (file big right click and show in new tab)

Countdownical

I have created a support ticket regarding this subject. Has gone a week and they are still in-game...
Now's the time to swing the BAN hammer plz!

chess1ukb16_ESO

I have raised a ticket too. Thanks for making this thread Os

SammiSakura

Seconding this and crumbs for others.

Something needs to be done about this, obvious illegal transactions are happening here

idk

No offense but Zos essentially permits such an environment to exist. They are extremely lax on botting in the game which is the foundation for gold selling. Then with the added crown trading such gold selling and buying are actually encouraged.

It is really sad but it is due to poor management of the game. Zos has examples in other games what the what the above combination will do so they have reason to think it will not happen here. If Zos wanted to get serious about the issue they would take a real and legitimate stance against bots. As is they are virtually complicit.

Of course there could be gold duping as well, but we do not know that.

daemonios

I have no idea what I'm seeing here, the first two pictures aren't even showing the same data as the third one. I mean, those values seem really high, but the top seller in the first pic has an average item price of around 4k gold, while the second averages around 100k and the third even higher at 125k. You can't get any average from the second picture because there's no total items, and the third picture seems to show transactions at far above market prices but that tells me very little.

Honest question, can someone explain what's up?

SammiSakura

daemonios wrote: »

I have no idea what I'm seeing here, the first two pictures aren't even showing the same data as the third one. I mean, those values seem really high, but the top seller in the first pic has an average item price of around 4k gold, while the second averages around 100k and the third even higher at 125k. You can't get any average from the second picture because there's no total items, and the third picture seems to show transactions at far above market prices but that tells me very little.

Honest question, can someone explain what's up?

the people in question are essentially laundering gold. so theyre listing mundane, cheap items, for millions/thousands of gold, and then another account is buying them. Trying to filter ill-gotten gold through the system basically

daemonios

SammiSakura wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

I have no idea what I'm seeing here, the first two pictures aren't even showing the same data as the third one. I mean, those values seem really high, but the top seller in the first pic has an average item price of around 4k gold, while the second averages around 100k and the third even higher at 125k. You can't get any average from the second picture because there's no total items, and the third picture seems to show transactions at far above market prices but that tells me very little.

Honest question, can someone explain what's up?

the people in question are essentially laundering gold. so theyre listing mundane, cheap items, for millions/thousands of gold, and then another account is buying them. Trying to filter ill-gotten gold through the system basically

I guess if you can see who the buyers and sellers are and keep seeing the same names it becomes more readily apparent. It isn't obvious to me from the OP, but then we have the no naming and shaming rule in the forums...

Good luck getting ZOS to act. The first and only time I heard of them doing anything was when the guild trader auction went FUBAR on PC-EU and some people started disposing of excess bid refunds. There have been item duplication exploits, botting and other economy-disrupting practices in the past and not a word regarding actions taken by ZOS. In fact, as someone mentioned, the ability to gift crown items means it's in ZOS' interest to have excess gold in the game, since players willing to buy crowns for gold means someone has to buy the crowns in the first place.

OsManiaC

daemonios wrote: »

I have no idea what I'm seeing here, the first two pictures aren't even showing the same data as the third one. I mean, those values seem really high, but the top seller in the first pic has an average item price of around 4k gold, while the second averages around 100k and the third even higher at 125k. You can't get any average from the second picture because there's no total items, and the third picture seems to show transactions at far above market prices but that tells me very little.

Honest question, can someone explain what's up?

I added a detailed screenshot, you can see the ridiculous amounts per items

KillsAllElves

Yo imma need some of that gold

Let me hold 20 mill for a few days

daemonios

OsManiaC wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

I have no idea what I'm seeing here, the first two pictures aren't even showing the same data as the third one. I mean, those values seem really high, but the top seller in the first pic has an average item price of around 4k gold, while the second averages around 100k and the third even higher at 125k. You can't get any average from the second picture because there's no total items, and the third picture seems to show transactions at far above market prices but that tells me very little.

Honest question, can someone explain what's up?

I added a detailed screenshot, you can see the ridiculous amounts per items

Thanks, and sorry for nitpicking. The values in your new picture, and the fact that they're for trivial items (the ones in your original picture were at least semi-rare), do raise a lot of red flags.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Countdownical wrote: »

I have created a support ticket regarding this subject. Has gone a week and they are still in-game...
Now's the time to swing the BAN hammer plz!

imagine I did this 3 years ago for the same persons...and they still ingame...I gave up.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

I can craft roast pig too can i have 10 million per too? No?why? Oh ok then...

Synnastix

You guys are talking about this like it’s an illegal source; I’m not aware of anything that you can bot to get lots of straight gold. Usually it’s like farming mats/items which are sold to regular people for the gold, so there’s really no need to launder it.

If you guys know of mobs or whatever you can farm to get gold easy, do tell because I’m game for that kind of easy grind.

Finedaible

The reason is quite simple, it costs Zo$ nothing in the end. In fact Zo$ gains money from the person purchasing crowns to trade them for gold... Why do you think they allowed this in the first place?

karthrag_inak

where are they getting all the gold that they need to launder? 100's of millions?

idk

karthrag_inak wrote: »

where are they getting all the gold that they need to launder? 100's of millions?

Might be duping. There have been cases of duping in this game before. Not saying that is the case by any means.

johnjetau

Interesting that the total amount of gold for each transaction is under 10 million. Could there be a mechanic in place that flags amounts over that?

And so, they just do under the cut-off to ensure they are not flagged within the system

sorcmag01

Thanks OP for the info.

Thevampirenight

Sounds to me like there serious thieves guild like activity going on. Well I think if its directly impacts the game in way that hurts Zenimax's bottom line or really hurts legit players. They would act on it. One thing they have been hard on is item duping and duping in general. They have and will perm ban players for that and they do have means of detecting it. They have a zero tolerance policy on it. As for Bots, at least pc version they might still be around. But one think you might notice chat is goldspammer free. Don't know about the consoles. Gold spamming hasn't really been an issue since they put the delete limit into place. Yes there will still be determined bot farmers but the issue for them is now players have an advantage they have since the justice system and the delete limit really hinders their operations Zenimax might act on it sometimes but the efforts they have put down the worst of it to the point Eso became Gold Spammer free on the pc. They might not put to much focus into it because they are not nearly as bad as they were. Thanks goodness for that delete limit that drove those annoying spammers out.

All you can really do is report it and if they don't do anything they might not consider it a thing worthy of actually doing any action as I can imagine they knew from the start players would game the guild trader system for their own benefit. I can imagine they do keep a close eye on some things. But gold laundering itself isn't the worst thing as there is after all the thieves guild. But those prices lol on some of those things really do stand out. There has to be something there or those players are charging way to much and maybe tricking people into buying. But yeah some people will game the system and if it becomes to much trouble I think they would do something about it. But this seems like a mass scale laundering operation if it is, they might actually do something about this.

jircris11

idk wrote: »

No offense but Zos essentially permits such an environment to exist. They are extremely lax on botting in the game which is the foundation for gold selling. Then with the added crown trading such gold selling and buying are actually encouraged.

It is really sad but it is due to poor management of the game. Zos has examples in other games what the what the above combination will do so they have reason to think it will not happen here. If Zos wanted to get serious about the issue they would take a real and legitimate stance against bots. As is they are virtually complicit.

Of course there could be gold duping as well, but we do not know that.

It's not that they are lax, it's that ppl keep giving bot sites their money so they will continue to come back. Kind of a hydra effect, get rid of one bot see two more in its place.

Banana

I could use a donation

idk

jircris11 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

No offense but Zos essentially permits such an environment to exist. They are extremely lax on botting in the game which is the foundation for gold selling. Then with the added crown trading such gold selling and buying are actually encouraged.

It is really sad but it is due to poor management of the game. Zos has examples in other games what the what the above combination will do so they have reason to think it will not happen here. If Zos wanted to get serious about the issue they would take a real and legitimate stance against bots. As is they are virtually complicit.

Of course there could be gold duping as well, but we do not know that.

It's not that they are lax, it's that ppl keep giving bot sites their money so they will continue to come back. Kind of a hydra effect, get rid of one bot see two more in its place.

It is both and I would not be surprised if Zos could ban those who do purchase gold. I have heard of it happening but that is just gossip.

RefLiberty

karthrag_inak wrote: »

where are they getting all the gold that they need to launder? 100's of millions?

Bots?

Fiktius

RefLiberty wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

where are they getting all the gold that they need to launder? 100's of millions?

Bots?

Bots are often the case, when gold laundering is happening via guild stores. I've seen (and reported + blacklisted) some of those laundering players during these years when I've been playing this game, so technically this is not new thing nor surprise to me.
However those laundered amounts of gold which OP mentioned and these people just did through PC EU guilds makes me question the origin of gold. At earlier cases when I've spotted laundered gold, it was case of couple of millions, not hundreds of millions in very short amount of time...

And the fact that these launderers joined in active trade guilds which are keeping close eye on statistics, it tells me that they didn't bother hide their actions and based on how quickly these cases GMs reported, it looks like launderers were in hurry.
Perhaps ZOS could take a look into this and track the source.

horizonxael

here you pretend not to know what the bots are, the bots are programs that simulate a player automatically play and fight without the help of a real user, so get informed, the game and a trash full of bots and mark them every time.

but ZOS is doing nothing to eliminate this plague,

JamieAubrey

Send some my way

Emma_Overload

So what? Why are you snooping on other peoples transactions in the first place?

It would be great of all the busybodies on these forums did something useful like ban that crook in Rawlkha who keeps selling fake Spell Power Pots. Now THAT is a lynch mob I would be happy to join!

OsManiaC

Emma_Overload wrote: »

So what? Why are you snooping on other peoples transactions in the first place?

It would be great of all the busybodies on these forums did something useful like ban that crook in Rawlkha who keeps selling fake Spell Power Pots. Now THAT is a lynch mob I would be happy to join!

Sorry, I could not understand your post. You want us to look the other way when suspicious activities happening?

Cirantille

Jeesus, I cant even install add-ons properly and then there are these guys

How do they even do that or why do they even do that, what can you even buy with 20 millions

tyggerbob

So.. just get this clear.. are they trying to hide the fact that they are buying gold with crowns, which is not against the rules right now, as far as I know, or are we talking about real world money laundering? If that's the case, how do you get the 'clean money' out of the game on the other side? That's kind of a mandatory requirement for money laundering.
Just curious what the big concern is here.
TB