How many people with lag and stutter are not using a hdmi 2.0 cable or maybe have a bad cable?

Grimm13

Lady_Linux wrote: »

someone lease post a link to a dp to hdmi cable that offers in its item description a 4k resolution of 60 hrtz or better because i cant find one! BUT the hdmi 2.0 cable i ordered does offer 60 hrtz.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100172206 601294523 601342154

Coboc HD4K2K60H12FT HDMI 2.0 High Speed 18Gbps HDMI Cable w/ Cotton Mesh Braiding - 4K*2K @ 60Hz Ready - 12ft-Black/Blue

That's just one, they have ones Edit: Look under home, sometimes the better ones are not under computer

ArchMikem

Lady_Linux wrote: »

could not find on amazon after 5 pages of looking, any dp to hdmi cable that offered 60 hrtz or better resolution for 4k.

EVERY 4k dp to hdmi cable i found was 30 hrtz

i did find a nice 8k dp cable for 20$ that offers 8k at 60, 4k at 144, and 2k at 165 hrtz.

but nothing for hdmi.

It's getting close to Black Friday, you might as well replace your TV with a legit PC Monitor that has both HDMI and Display Port plugs. Unless you just bought this TV, I think I remember you saying that in another thread about 4k gaming.

Nanfoodle

I play this game at 4k and it's rare I see lag. Make fun of not having the right cable. But a system is only as strong as its weakest link and most people cheap out on cables. This I know, as an IT guy.

Nestor

Cable issues as in a bad cable would show up as tiling or other artifacts on everything you do on the device. It would not affect performance with regards to frame rates and resolution. These issues would show up with any source.

What you need for 4k is a High Speed Cable, or one capable of 18 GBpS.

https://turbofuture.com/computers/do-i-need-hdmi-cable-4k-hdmi-20-guide

https://www.crutchfield.com/learn/learningcenter/home/cables/hdmi.html

Oh, and something that will blow your mind, in the past, Gamebryo engines games are smoother at lower frame rates than higher ones. Although the issues show up when approaching 60FPS and beyond. Not sure about this game at 4K. But it has to do with the Physics and the Frame Rate Sync.

Vhozek

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Now I've seen everything. You are actually trying to blame the game's atrocious performance on HDMI cables.

Probably some PR employee doing damage control or one of those urinalists sweeping all responsibility off the top of companies that pay them.

Lady_Linux

I'm sure my cable isn't 2.0

Grimm13 wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

someone lease post a link to a dp to hdmi cable that offers in its item description a 4k resolution of 60 hrtz or better because i cant find one! BUT the hdmi 2.0 cable i ordered does offer 60 hrtz.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100172206 601294523 601342154

Coboc HD4K2K60H12FT HDMI 2.0 High Speed 18Gbps HDMI Cable w/ Cotton Mesh Braiding - 4K*2K @ 60Hz Ready - 12ft-Black/Blue

That's just one, they have ones Edit: Look under home, sometimes the better ones are not under computer

No! People had suggested i use a display port to hdmi cable. I found plenty hdmi 2.0 cables but the suggested dp to hdmi i that i had found were all inferior to the standard hdmi 2.0 cables.

And this begs the question... if i cant find a dp to hdmi cable that supports 60 hrtz or more then how many of the people who are using dp to hdmi are using an inferior cable that isn't giving them even 60 hrtz like the standard hdmi 2.0 cables. It behooves people to check their cables. Make sure they have hdmi 2.0 and one that is working correctly.

Lady_Linux

I'm sure my cable isn't 2.0

ArchMikem wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

could not find on amazon after 5 pages of looking, any dp to hdmi cable that offered 60 hrtz or better resolution for 4k.

EVERY 4k dp to hdmi cable i found was 30 hrtz

i did find a nice 8k dp cable for 20$ that offers 8k at 60, 4k at 144, and 2k at 165 hrtz.

but nothing for hdmi.

It's getting close to Black Friday, you might as well replace your TV with a legit PC Monitor that has both HDMI and Display Port plugs. Unless you just bought this TV, I think I remember you saying that in another thread about 4k gaming.

Yah i did just buy it. Got a good price for a 50 inch 4k tv. I just upgraded to it from a 32 inch 1080p tv.

Sylvermynx

No, i'm sure my cable is hdmi 2.0 and that it's good because i tested it.

Yes. I am using a HDMI 2.0 cable. However.... since I have only satellite, it's not really - helpful....

phaneub17_ESO

wut, wut, wut?

I'm running the game at 2560x1440p, 165 FPS, and G-Sync enabled via displayport. I don't think I can handle this game at 60 FPS, too choppy.

lagrue

No, i'm sure my cable is hdmi 2.0 and that it's good because i tested it.

Lady_Linux wrote: »

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Now I've seen everything. You are actually trying to blame the game's atrocious performance on HDMI cables.

No. But it is worth looking at. Not having the correct cable or having a bad cable can have a huge impact on performance...

yeah I'm sure 10s of 1000s of people worldwide suffering lag in this game don't know to use HDMI 2.0

smh it's the last thing anybody should be looking at, it's clearly not the issue

Lady_Linux

I'm sure my cable isn't 2.0

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm running the game at 2560x1440p, 165 FPS, and G-Sync enabled via displayport. I don't think I can handle this game at 60 FPS, too choppy.

+no one is talking about frames per second.. we are talking about the refresh rate the cable is capable of.

Lady_Linux

I'm sure my cable isn't 2.0

randomkeyhits wrote: »

A high speed hdmi 2.0 cable is fine, can do 18GPS no trouble.

Looking at xrandr you have dvi hdmi and 3 display ports so I'm guessing the card is powerful enough? One thing to remember is the card has a maximum GPS throughput so adding a second monitor on some cards means you can't drive 4k on the main one, unless you also have a vga port which is a separate bandwidth channel.

Also what is the TV rated at, does the spec actually say 4k at 60hz? some don't.

the tv has an actual setting in the system setup to switch between hdmi 1.4 and 2.0


heres the spec sheet for it:

https://www.sceptre.com/productSpecs-412.html#specs

itsfatbass

First of all.... HDMI is laughable for a true gamer. We all know DISPLAY PORT is the way to go... and please... stuttering and lag are nearly NEVER related to your cable OMEGALULZ

If you're having performance issues, refer to this MEGA thread that has some VERY solid tips and tweaks to really improve performance AND graphics quality

Lady_Linux

I'm sure my cable isn't 2.0

itsfatbass wrote: »

First of all.... HDMI is laughable for a true gamer. We all know DISPLAY PORT is the way to go... and please... stuttering and lag are nearly NEVER related to your cable OMEGALULZ

If you're having performance issues, refer to this MEGA thread that has some VERY solid tips and tweaks to really improve performance AND graphics quality

Why would i do any of that when i have already determined the cable to be the issue? In addition, the advice to use a dp to hdmi cable has also been debunked as the only ones i could find that would run 4k did so only at a 30 hrtz refresh rate when the hdmi 2.0 cable does so at twice that rate. Oh and lookie here: here's an 8k hdmi cable that is hdmi 2.1:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KNRXGW4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A1CJUFQIP79W99&psc=1


So much for display port elitism

FierceSam

wut, wut, wut?

WTF Lewis?!?

I use a com. put. or

I’d blame my equipment if I got the same *** lag and FPS on PC NA that I get on PC EU.

PC NA - 60 FPS, limited lag, low population.

PC EU - 30 FPS max, lag, slap back, rubber banding, crashing, long load screens, high player population

So pretty certain that’s not down to the HDMI cable that I don’t use.

Please stop this ‘blame the players’ ***.

Lady_Linux

I'm sure my cable isn't 2.0

FierceSam wrote: »

WTF Lewis?!?

I use a com. put. or

I’d blame my equipment if I got the same *** lag and FPS on PC NA that I get on PC EU.

PC NA - 60 FPS, limited lag, low population.

PC EU - 30 FPS max, lag, slap back, rubber banding, crashing, long load screens, high player population

So pretty certain that’s not down to the HDMI cable that I don’t use.

Please stop this ‘blame the players’ ***.

This isnt about blaming players. It's about looking at your equipment and being sure you are getting the best performance possible.

FierceSam

wut, wut, wut?

Lady_Linux wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

WTF Lewis?!?

I use a com. put. or

I’d blame my equipment if I got the same *** lag and FPS on PC NA that I get on PC EU.

PC NA - 60 FPS, limited lag, low population.

PC EU - 30 FPS max, lag, slap back, rubber banding, crashing, long load screens, high player population

So pretty certain that’s not down to the HDMI cable that I don’t use.

Please stop this ‘blame the players’ ***.

This isnt about blaming players. It's about looking at your equipment and being sure you are getting the best performance possible.

You are suggesting that the lag and stutter is down to the player’s equipment rather than, say, ZOS’s server performance. That is exactly ‘player blaming’. It perpetuates ZOS’s myth that they are providing a good, stable service and it must be individual player’s faults if they experience any issues.

I am saying it is unlikely that my set up is the cause of lag and stutter as I have a completely different experience playing the same game with the same set up on different ZOS servers.

But hopefully an HDMI cable upgrade will help yours.

Alienoutlaw

Lady_Linux wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

OP are you on a console or pc? Because if your on pc you probably should be using a display port connection and not hdmi 2.0

OK. so if i use the display port on my graphics card but i only have hdmi on my tv how would i then connect it? If i were to use an adapter, wouldnt that just negate the value of using the display port?

you can buy cables that do this, i have one for my main screen and use standard HDMI for my 2nd

NOW see i took your word for it and canceled my delivery for my hdmi 2.0 cables on your word that i should use a dp to hdmi cable but then couldnt find a dp to hdmi cable that was as capabale of the hdmi 2.0 cable that i had ordered

AND i now have to wait three days to reorder the hdmi cable i cancelled. Because there is no dp to hdmi cable on amazon that i could find that would be better suited for me than the hdmi cable i had selected that does 4k at 60 hrtz.




AND since i couldnt find a dp to hdmi cable capable of 60 hrtz on amazon, i have to wonder if your dp to hdmi cable is running your 4k at 30 hrtz and impacting your performance.

see that? And for how may other people is this also true? a factor?

im running with a nice 60hz and the only "stutter" i get is due to server performance, if your running a Nvidia card there are several things you can to to optimise your output, running 4k does not mean better performance only a better resolution, your performance will be down to your screens refresh rate

Knootewoot

wut, wut, wut?

I use a flux capacitor. Is that good also?

Banana

Knootewoot wrote: »

I use a flux capacitor. Is that good also?

Only if your getting up to 88mph

thorwyn

Great Scott!!!

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Lady_Linux wrote: »

See i have to ask because i upgraded to a 4k tv but i dont have an hdmi 2.0 cable (yet) and the one i do have i am only getting a refresh rate of 30 hrtz not the 60 hrtz that a 2.0 cable would give me at 4k. the difference in the refresh rate i think would matter with the smoothness of the scene changes as i move around in the game and it comes off like lag and stutter and a feeeling of drunkenness and is awful. And since i am sure i dont have a 2.0 hdmi cable capable of 18Gbps (well pretty sure and i have some on the way) and i know how bad things can be with poor quality ethernet cables that seem to go bad for no reason, it seems i have to ask.

You haven't said what's connected to the TV. Console then 30fps is normal for 4K.
GPU? Then tell us which one to get more information.

HDMI 1.4 only supports 4K 24/30fps, that includes the cable not only connections.
HDMI 2.0/a/b support 4K 60fps, HDR (a), object orient sound (b)

Give us more information what you want to do, with the type of hardware and we can give you a more informative solution.

randomkeyhits

Still curious as to what the graphics card is.

Also you showed xrandr output so running on Linux via steam+proton?

Jaxwell

kylewwefan

I have no idea what kind of hdmi cable I’m using. Does it look different? Using a PS4 pro and 4k tv.

molecule

Lady_Linux wrote: »

not the 60 hrtz that a 2.0 cable would give me at 4k.

A cable won't give you 60 htz, it will allow your hardware to go to that speed/level.

What graphics card are you using that you think will go a solid 60fps (or 60 htz) @ 4k ?

Lady_Linux

I'm sure my cable isn't 2.0

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

See i have to ask because i upgraded to a 4k tv but i dont have an hdmi 2.0 cable (yet) and the one i do have i am only getting a refresh rate of 30 hrtz not the 60 hrtz that a 2.0 cable would give me at 4k. the difference in the refresh rate i think would matter with the smoothness of the scene changes as i move around in the game and it comes off like lag and stutter and a feeeling of drunkenness and is awful. And since i am sure i dont have a 2.0 hdmi cable capable of 18Gbps (well pretty sure and i have some on the way) and i know how bad things can be with poor quality ethernet cables that seem to go bad for no reason, it seems i have to ask.

You haven't said what's connected to the TV. Console then 30fps is normal for 4K.
GPU? Then tell us which one to get more information.

HDMI 1.4 only supports 4K 24/30fps, that includes the cable not only connections.
HDMI 2.0/a/b support 4K 60fps, HDR (a), object orient sound (b)

Give us more information what you want to do, with the type of hardware and we can give you a more informative solution.

i have an asrock phantom gaming rx 570 8 gb

here's some inxi

sudo inxi -Fxzmc0
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Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 45.9 C mobo: N/A gpu: amdgpu temp: 45 C
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molecule

Lady_Linux wrote: »

i have an asrock phantom gaming rx 570 8 gb

That card will not produce a solid 60fps ( 60hz ) @ 4k, no cable will improve that

Jeirno

wut, wut, wut?

My advice is, return the TV and buy an actual _gaming monitor_ use the display port in that and problem solved.

EDIT: RX 570 8GB most likely can't run 4k 60fps so buy a better GPU if you dream of playing @4k60fps

Lady_Linux

I'm sure my cable isn't 2.0

kylewwefan wrote: »

I have no idea what kind of hdmi cable I’m using. Does it look different? Using a PS4 pro and 4k tv.

PS4 vs PS4 Pro connections
PS4 Pro has an extra USB port
PS4 Pro also has an optical audio port
Original PS4 uses HDMI 1.4, Pro uses HDMI 2.0a

according to this web site

https://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-pro-vs-ps4-what-s-the-difference-1328341


for 10$ you can get an hdmi 2.0 cable and be sure you have the correct cable. If you arent 100% sure, you could easily conect your computer if you have one to your tv with the hdmi cable and see what you os reports your resolution and refresh rate are. if you get 30 hz instead of 60 then you know it's not a 2.0 hdmi cable with a 60 hz rating.