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All chars are witches?
Salvas_Aren
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Why are male chars witches?
For obvious reasons you would not name them witchers here, but how about warlocks?
For obvious reasons you would not name them witchers here, but how about warlocks?
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Given that male characters can wear the witches' hat and the Glenmoril Witch Robes, I'm coming to the conclusion that "witch" is a gender neutral term in 2nd Era Tamriel.
After all, "Wizard" is definitely gender neutral in Tamriel, thanks to the Mages Guild!24 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Witch is the title and in this case is not gender specific. In this context, both males and females gain the title of witch with the achievement.
We can have gender specific titles like emperor/empress but ZOS has made the decision to not go that way this time.1 -
mayasunrising✭✭✭✭✭Good question! Whether male, female, or other; the proper term is "witch". The term Warlock was actually a derogatory term used by witch hunters during the times of mass witch burnings and persecution. Warlock means "oathbreaker." Oathbreaker referring to a betrayal of humankind's covenant with God."And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
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✭✭✭Witch is generally a gender neutram term. Warlocks, wizards and sorcerers are all different things!6 -
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✭✭English is not my native language but I guess the word "witch" can be used both for males and females, if we take in consideration the Witch-King from Lord of the Rings, who was male. And since Tolkien was a professor of english language & literature, we can trust him.Edited by gatekeeper13 on November 11, 2019 11:00PM28 -
mayasunrising✭✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »English is not my native language but I guess the word "witch" can be used both for males and females, if we take in consideration the Witch-King from Lord of the Rings, who was male. And since Tolkien was a professor of english language & literature, we can trust him.
And honestly, who is going to argue with one of Sauron's lieutenants? Not me! HAHA"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
“There’s a difference between wanting to be looked at and wanting to be seen." ♥ Amanda Palmer
“A game is an opportunity to focus our energy, with relentless optimism, at something we’re good at (or getting better at) and enjoy. In other words, gameplay is the direct emotional opposite of depression.” ♥ Jane McGonigal
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✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »English is not my native language but I guess the word "witch" can be used both for males and females, l if we take in consideration the Witch-King from Lord of the Rings, who was male. And since Tolkien was a professor of english language & literature, we can trust him.
Well king is a male title and I feel the Witch part of his title gets kind of glossed over so it's hard to tell.3 -
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✭✭Why are male chars witches?
For obvious reasons you would not name them witchers here, but how about warlocks?
Agree
It was the first thing I tested on PTS back when it had that event. It was really disappointing to see that title is same for all genders. One of my girls got this title cause it suits her character and appearance (I even had to learn Double Bloody Mara on her for few writs and spend more skill points into Provisioning line), and at least one of my guys would love to have appropriate variant of that title...The term Warlock was actually a derogatory term used by witch hunters during the times of mass witch burnings and persecution. Warlock means "oathbreaker." Oathbreaker referring to a betrayal of humankind's covenant with God.
And now I want Oathbreaker title for some my characters
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✭✭Warlock or Oathbreaker would be a great title for a necromancer.
I am so disappointed now.
Talking about witchcraft, witch-kings and so: Maybe its not so present in english as in other languages, but there are terms that can be referred to as generic male or generic female words. These are at least grammatically male or female until they experience further specification.
But a title is never generic male or generic female.1 -
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✭It is a gender neutral term.
[removed baiting comment] The world will not end because you have the same title as a woman.Edited by ZOS_JesC on November 13, 2019 12:59PM22 -
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Yeah, because not equipping it fixes that.
Edited by ZOS_JesC on November 13, 2019 12:59PM1 -
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Some sources claim gender neutrality, others are very specific which sex/gender a witch refers to. There's not a smoking gun, perfect answer to the question.
Examples:
"witch
/wiCH/
noun
1.
a woman thought to have magic powers, especially evil ones, popularly depicted as wearing a black cloak and pointed hat and flying on a broomstick.
Similar:
sorceress
enchantress
occultist
necromancer
Wiccan
beldam
hex
pythoness
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INFORMAL
an ugly or unpleasant woman.
"he can marry the old witch for all I care""
3A girl or woman who is bewitchingly attractive.
Tip: Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained otherwise. My masculinity is strong enough to withstand an onslaught, and I was a little bummed I wouldn't be a warlock.
Title is great on my bosmer female though!
Edit: My spelling could use work though!Edited by ZOS_JesC on November 13, 2019 1:00PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭We're seriously pulling out the dictionaries to argue over the non-gendered nature of a title in Tamriel?
"Warlock" is an actual rank in the Mages Guild, just underneath "Wizard", in Morrowind and Oblivion. No offense, but its not a title that gets handed out for doing festival writs. Oh, and Warlock and Wizard are both non-gendered in the Elder Scrolls games.8 -
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✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »We're seriously pulling out the dictionaries to argue over the non-gendered nature of a title in Tamriel?
"Warlock" is an actual rank in the Mages Guild, just underneath "Wizard", in Morrowind and Oblivion. No offense, but its not a title that gets handed out for doing festival writs. Oh, and Warlock and Wizard are both non-gendered in the Elder Scrolls games.
No, I was "pulling out a dictionary" to show that people who are confused by this are really not "fragile".
Can't speak to others
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✭✭✭✭✭Clan Father / Clan Mother
Lord / Lady
Lord of Misrule / Lady of Misrule
Witch / Witch.... ?!
Just like you have said OP, I think they simply wanted to avoid using Witcher, either because it could have been misused or maybe because it is copyrighted or something...
Anyway, some alternatives that I have literary spend 2 minutes into thinking about:
- Witchman
- Witch-doctor
- Whitch-crafter
- Whitch-cultist
- Oculist
Clearly, they have not even spend 1 min into thinking of something alternative...Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on November 12, 2019 3:58PM1 -
January1171✭✭✭✭✭Witch can be gender neutral. In 17th century iceland, there were ~120 witch trials, the majority of which were men. There were 22 people killed for witchcraft, and only one was a woman.
In Salem, there were men killed for witchcraft.
Just because nowadays witch is more likely to be used to describe a woman doesn't mean it's incorrect when describing a man9 -
January1171✭✭✭✭✭Besides which, it's called the Witches Festival, not the Witches or Warlocks Festival
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✭✭✭Witch is a title for casters of all genders. Even though it is mostly and generally used for women.6 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭Witch is a gender neutral word period. Wicce is female. Wicca is male. Etymology is a hell of a drug. Although most people associate witches with females — that has never been the case. Also considering this is a fictional world, a witch can include both. Could you ultra-left or ultra-right ideologues keep your propaganda out of Nirn. It’d be appreciated.Edited by khajiitNPC on November 12, 2019 4:18PM12
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OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »Witch is a gender neutral word period. Wicce is female. Wicca is male. Etymology is a hell of a drug. Although most people associate witches with females — that has never been the case. Also considering this is a fictional world, a witch can include both. Could you ultra-left or ultra-right ideologues keep your propaganda out of Nirn. It’d be appreciated.
While, I agree with the first part of what you say that second to last last sentence reeks of "enlightened centrism".3 -
January1171✭✭✭✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »Witch is a gender neutral word period. Wicce is female. Wicca is male. Etymology is a hell of a drug.
All of this. Add in the fact that the middle english word for witch "Wicche" did not have separate male/female versions.
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if spider is gender neutral, why do we have spiderman and spiders words?Edited by OG_Kaveman on November 12, 2019 4:59PM10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭For what it's worth I know several modern Wiccans in the UK use witch as a gender neutral term.
It's not consistent, Wicca generally allows practitioners a lot of freedom in how they interpret things so titles and some other terminology will vary between groups and individuals, but if you go to any Wiccan or Pagan event you wouldn't have a hard time finding male witches.
(Also the in-game title has just made me kind of disappointed my breton warden had to settle for this instead of the more accurate Wyress.)PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭Because dress probably !
Edited by Aznarb on November 12, 2019 5:29PM[ PC EU ]
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