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Jesus, greedy company ! Stop making this game Pay to 2 win.
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BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »I have no problem with this whatsoever.
I can totally understand why someone would not want to grind these skill lines over and over again when they already did it 1, 2, 3 times.
I have 18 characters.
I could buy every skill line for them if I wanted but would rather not spend that kind of money on that. I've purchased the Cyrodiil shards for the other alliances for my 3 new characters because I dont want to go through that torture after I've done it 15 times.
I work full time, have a family, other hobbies and responsibilities so I have not had time to complete all those skill lines on all my characters.
Complaining that someone can buy them is like me complaining that someone that can play all day every day and level those skill lines in game is play to win and we should limit everyone's play time each day to 4 hours so they don't have an advantage.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »What do you win by paying to unlock skill lines you've already unlocked?
By making a new character that will have a skill line that they shouldn't get at such a low level?
The benefit is very brief only a few skill lines force a character to level up while leveling up the line.
Granted, it was suggested that the skill lines increase based on the characters level or be locked to lvl 50, however, OP is saying if you can buy a weapon in game that is P2W and as such there is nothing that compares. It really seems that unless you actually famed the Mother's Sorrow weapon yourself or crafted it yourself you are guilty of P2W. Not the best argument to make.
He's saying what if they had a weapon like that in game that you could buy and it was the best and he's asking how it's any different from buying all of the best skills now since they buffed skills to be meta dps so they could sell them. It's a fairly solid argument.
Yes, I understood what they were trying to say but that they offered an analogy that does not offer the clarification they think it does. You would have to obtain it in game first to be an appropriate comparison. Even then it is not P2W as it does not offer you an advantage over what you can obtain in game since it can be obtained in game and has to be obtained in game to be able to use it. It really is that simple.
It is 100% pay to win if the item you're saying is available in game and to purchase. How is it not pay to win if I can buy the best weapon in the game vs grinding for it? It has to by definition offer you an invite advantage in this case or it wouldn't be sold. Also imagine players obtaining the item then going to pvp with it or buying it and using it on level ones cuz they already own it on an alt. Look you can keep trying to switch it, oh guys it's only temporary, oh it's only this and that but at the end of it it is pay to win. If you're paying for convenience, a short cut, whatever you wanna call it it is paying for an ingame advantage.
Yeah, but who cares? It is temporary, so who gives a shirt? Under 50 pvp is meaningless. And anybody willing to spend money to dominate there is just a ridiculous failure and we should all be laughing at that person.
Even if it is temporary IT IS STILL PAY TO WIN and it doesn't just affect under 50 pvp. "yeah, but who cares?" People that don't need to buy these and have ground out their toon and would like people to not have to carry the whales that pay. Play the game well sometime and you'll know that feeling.
No, it literally is just a <50 pvp issue. There is nowhere else in the game you can pay for these skill lines and get a sense of winning. Now you're saying the exact opposite of pay to win - you're saying you have to carry people who bought the skills and don't know how to play because they purchased everything.
First, this is nonsense. You have to earn the skills before they are available for purchase on an alt. Second, what you are describing is pay to lose. Who cares if somebody wants to give up all of their money and still be a bad player? I don't - there are plenty who are bad that have gotten that way for free.
Last, you know you're bad when instead of making an argument you attempt to make an insult. Git gud at discussion dude.
"Git gud at discussion dude"
"No, it literally is just a <50 pvp issue. There is nowhere else in the game you can pay for these skill lines and get a sense of winning"
Your own words, it's pay to win but it doesn't affect you because you only think it affects low level pvp. So you're wrong, might wanna Git dud at remembering your own points for more than 5min. It's like debating a goldfish.
"You have to earn the skills before they are available for purchase on an alt"
On an alt that didn't earn those skills. Pay to win is paying for an in game advantage. "Git gud at discussion dude"
"Second, what you are describing is pay to lose. Who cares if somebody wants to give up all of their money and still be a bad player? I don't - there are plenty who are bad that have gotten that way for free."
So you want bad players to have the ability to buy things and stay bad because some people are bad in the game. "Git gud at discussion dude"
"Last, you know you're bad when instead of making an argument you attempt to make an insult. Git gud at discussion dude."
Tries to take the moral high ground. Proceeds to do what you chastise people about insulting people then ends last line with an insult. So by your own words we shouldn't listen to what you have to say because you attempted to make an insult so that means your argument is bad? Go think about that and have a good day friend!
I remember what I said - I said it's a non-issue and it is. Unless you're so bad you have to stick to <50 pvp to feel like you're winning. There is zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt for money otherwise - and <50 pvp is totally inconsequential. Not sure what you don't understand. I also don't know why you quoted me after every one of your arguments, but yeah - git gud. Being angry and obnoxious doesn't add weight to your words, it just makes you look like an insufferable person.
If there was zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt why are they selling them? Oh wait, it's cuz there's an advantage.
"There is zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt for money otherwise - and <50 pvp is totally inconsequential. Not sure what you don't understand. "
I don't understand why you keep thinking your opinion is fact. If you're paying for an advantage it isn't inconsequential. Not sure why this is so hard for you to get. Just because it isn't an advantage in your opinion doesn't mean it's not an advantage. But again "Git gud at discussion dude" you might wanna try it.
" Being angry and obnoxious doesn't add weight to your words, it just makes you look like an insufferable person."
Didn't you tell me to "Git gud at discussion dude", you might wanna follow your own words before you tell other people what to do. I'm not angry, I might be obnoxious but that's because if you wanna have an opinion that you can't defend you shouldn't be in there defending it.
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ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »I have no problem with this whatsoever.
I can totally understand why someone would not want to grind these skill lines over and over again when they already did it 1, 2, 3 times.
I have 18 characters.
I could buy every skill line for them if I wanted but would rather not spend that kind of money on that. I've purchased the Cyrodiil shards for the other alliances for my 3 new characters because I dont want to go through that torture after I've done it 15 times.
I work full time, have a family, other hobbies and responsibilities so I have not had time to complete all those skill lines on all my characters.
Complaining that someone can buy them is like me complaining that someone that can play all day every day and level those skill lines in game is play to win and we should limit everyone's play time each day to 4 hours so they don't have an advantage.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »What do you win by paying to unlock skill lines you've already unlocked?
By making a new character that will have a skill line that they shouldn't get at such a low level?
The benefit is very brief only a few skill lines force a character to level up while leveling up the line.
Granted, it was suggested that the skill lines increase based on the characters level or be locked to lvl 50, however, OP is saying if you can buy a weapon in game that is P2W and as such there is nothing that compares. It really seems that unless you actually famed the Mother's Sorrow weapon yourself or crafted it yourself you are guilty of P2W. Not the best argument to make.
He's saying what if they had a weapon like that in game that you could buy and it was the best and he's asking how it's any different from buying all of the best skills now since they buffed skills to be meta dps so they could sell them. It's a fairly solid argument.
Yes, I understood what they were trying to say but that they offered an analogy that does not offer the clarification they think it does. You would have to obtain it in game first to be an appropriate comparison. Even then it is not P2W as it does not offer you an advantage over what you can obtain in game since it can be obtained in game and has to be obtained in game to be able to use it. It really is that simple.
It is 100% pay to win if the item you're saying is available in game and to purchase. How is it not pay to win if I can buy the best weapon in the game vs grinding for it? It has to by definition offer you an invite advantage in this case or it wouldn't be sold. Also imagine players obtaining the item then going to pvp with it or buying it and using it on level ones cuz they already own it on an alt. Look you can keep trying to switch it, oh guys it's only temporary, oh it's only this and that but at the end of it it is pay to win. If you're paying for convenience, a short cut, whatever you wanna call it it is paying for an ingame advantage.
Yeah, but who cares? It is temporary, so who gives a shirt? Under 50 pvp is meaningless. And anybody willing to spend money to dominate there is just a ridiculous failure and we should all be laughing at that person.
Even if it is temporary IT IS STILL PAY TO WIN and it doesn't just affect under 50 pvp. "yeah, but who cares?" People that don't need to buy these and have ground out their toon and would like people to not have to carry the whales that pay. Play the game well sometime and you'll know that feeling.
No, it literally is just a <50 pvp issue. There is nowhere else in the game you can pay for these skill lines and get a sense of winning. Now you're saying the exact opposite of pay to win - you're saying you have to carry people who bought the skills and don't know how to play because they purchased everything.
First, this is nonsense. You have to earn the skills before they are available for purchase on an alt. Second, what you are describing is pay to lose. Who cares if somebody wants to give up all of their money and still be a bad player? I don't - there are plenty who are bad that have gotten that way for free.
Last, you know you're bad when instead of making an argument you attempt to make an insult. Git gud at discussion dude.
"Git gud at discussion dude"
"No, it literally is just a <50 pvp issue. There is nowhere else in the game you can pay for these skill lines and get a sense of winning"
Your own words, it's pay to win but it doesn't affect you because you only think it affects low level pvp. So you're wrong, might wanna Git dud at remembering your own points for more than 5min. It's like debating a goldfish.
"You have to earn the skills before they are available for purchase on an alt"
On an alt that didn't earn those skills. Pay to win is paying for an in game advantage. "Git gud at discussion dude"
"Second, what you are describing is pay to lose. Who cares if somebody wants to give up all of their money and still be a bad player? I don't - there are plenty who are bad that have gotten that way for free."
So you want bad players to have the ability to buy things and stay bad because some people are bad in the game. "Git gud at discussion dude"
"Last, you know you're bad when instead of making an argument you attempt to make an insult. Git gud at discussion dude."
Tries to take the moral high ground. Proceeds to do what you chastise people about insulting people then ends last line with an insult. So by your own words we shouldn't listen to what you have to say because you attempted to make an insult so that means your argument is bad? Go think about that and have a good day friend!
I remember what I said - I said it's a non-issue and it is. Unless you're so bad you have to stick to <50 pvp to feel like you're winning. There is zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt for money otherwise - and <50 pvp is totally inconsequential. Not sure what you don't understand. I also don't know why you quoted me after every one of your arguments, but yeah - git gud. Being angry and obnoxious doesn't add weight to your words, it just makes you look like an insufferable person.
If there was zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt why are they selling them? Oh wait, it's cuz there's an advantage.
"There is zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt for money otherwise - and <50 pvp is totally inconsequential. Not sure what you don't understand. "
I don't understand why you keep thinking your opinion is fact. If you're paying for an advantage it isn't inconsequential. Not sure why this is so hard for you to get. Just because it isn't an advantage in your opinion doesn't mean it's not an advantage. But again "Git gud at discussion dude" you might wanna try it.
" Being angry and obnoxious doesn't add weight to your words, it just makes you look like an insufferable person."
Didn't you tell me to "Git gud at discussion dude", you might wanna follow your own words before you tell other people what to do. I'm not angry, I might be obnoxious but that's because if you wanna have an opinion that you can't defend you shouldn't be in there defending it.
Look man, if you don't understand the difference between a rebuff to an insult and an insult, then you're not going to understand anything else I say. Maybe chill and stop attacking me for a minute - you don't have to agree with me, but it isn't making your argument stronger by implying that I don't play well. I said git gud because you resorted to insults rather than arguing your point. I hope you're pretending to be too dense to understand that, or I feel really bad for you.
There is zero advantage when you buy these skills outside of <50 pvp. I'm stating that as a fact even though it's an opinion, because - in fact - I believe it to be true. I'm stating it exactly the same way you're making your statements.
They are selling them because people are willing to pay not to have to grind the same trash quests they have already done 8 times previously. And they design the quests to get old fast so that people will be more willing to pay not to have to do them. I'm not saying it's a good practice or that they shouldn't be ashamed of themselves - I'm saying that you aren't 'winning' if you fork over cash instead of playing horse simulator for several days obtaining the same skill lines and shards.2 -
Keledus✭✭✭Wasn't it made that you must have it maxed out on a character before you can even purchase it with crowns on another character?
If so, I dont really mind it because they've already put in the effort once and if they're that rich enough and find it worth purchasing with crowns be my guest. Having this is still better than having actual pay to win (Buying bis gear etc)..
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✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »I have no problem with this whatsoever.
I can totally understand why someone would not want to grind these skill lines over and over again when they already did it 1, 2, 3 times.
I have 18 characters.
I could buy every skill line for them if I wanted but would rather not spend that kind of money on that. I've purchased the Cyrodiil shards for the other alliances for my 3 new characters because I dont want to go through that torture after I've done it 15 times.
I work full time, have a family, other hobbies and responsibilities so I have not had time to complete all those skill lines on all my characters.
Complaining that someone can buy them is like me complaining that someone that can play all day every day and level those skill lines in game is play to win and we should limit everyone's play time each day to 4 hours so they don't have an advantage.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »What do you win by paying to unlock skill lines you've already unlocked?
By making a new character that will have a skill line that they shouldn't get at such a low level?
The benefit is very brief only a few skill lines force a character to level up while leveling up the line.
Granted, it was suggested that the skill lines increase based on the characters level or be locked to lvl 50, however, OP is saying if you can buy a weapon in game that is P2W and as such there is nothing that compares. It really seems that unless you actually famed the Mother's Sorrow weapon yourself or crafted it yourself you are guilty of P2W. Not the best argument to make.
He's saying what if they had a weapon like that in game that you could buy and it was the best and he's asking how it's any different from buying all of the best skills now since they buffed skills to be meta dps so they could sell them. It's a fairly solid argument.
Yes, I understood what they were trying to say but that they offered an analogy that does not offer the clarification they think it does. You would have to obtain it in game first to be an appropriate comparison. Even then it is not P2W as it does not offer you an advantage over what you can obtain in game since it can be obtained in game and has to be obtained in game to be able to use it. It really is that simple.
It is 100% pay to win if the item you're saying is available in game and to purchase. How is it not pay to win if I can buy the best weapon in the game vs grinding for it? It has to by definition offer you an invite advantage in this case or it wouldn't be sold. Also imagine players obtaining the item then going to pvp with it or buying it and using it on level ones cuz they already own it on an alt. Look you can keep trying to switch it, oh guys it's only temporary, oh it's only this and that but at the end of it it is pay to win. If you're paying for convenience, a short cut, whatever you wanna call it it is paying for an ingame advantage.
Yeah, but who cares? It is temporary, so who gives a shirt? Under 50 pvp is meaningless. And anybody willing to spend money to dominate there is just a ridiculous failure and we should all be laughing at that person.
Even if it is temporary IT IS STILL PAY TO WIN and it doesn't just affect under 50 pvp. "yeah, but who cares?" People that don't need to buy these and have ground out their toon and would like people to not have to carry the whales that pay. Play the game well sometime and you'll know that feeling.
No, it literally is just a <50 pvp issue. There is nowhere else in the game you can pay for these skill lines and get a sense of winning. Now you're saying the exact opposite of pay to win - you're saying you have to carry people who bought the skills and don't know how to play because they purchased everything.
First, this is nonsense. You have to earn the skills before they are available for purchase on an alt. Second, what you are describing is pay to lose. Who cares if somebody wants to give up all of their money and still be a bad player? I don't - there are plenty who are bad that have gotten that way for free.
Last, you know you're bad when instead of making an argument you attempt to make an insult. Git gud at discussion dude.
"Git gud at discussion dude"
"No, it literally is just a <50 pvp issue. There is nowhere else in the game you can pay for these skill lines and get a sense of winning"
Your own words, it's pay to win but it doesn't affect you because you only think it affects low level pvp. So you're wrong, might wanna Git dud at remembering your own points for more than 5min. It's like debating a goldfish.
"You have to earn the skills before they are available for purchase on an alt"
On an alt that didn't earn those skills. Pay to win is paying for an in game advantage. "Git gud at discussion dude"
"Second, what you are describing is pay to lose. Who cares if somebody wants to give up all of their money and still be a bad player? I don't - there are plenty who are bad that have gotten that way for free."
So you want bad players to have the ability to buy things and stay bad because some people are bad in the game. "Git gud at discussion dude"
"Last, you know you're bad when instead of making an argument you attempt to make an insult. Git gud at discussion dude."
Tries to take the moral high ground. Proceeds to do what you chastise people about insulting people then ends last line with an insult. So by your own words we shouldn't listen to what you have to say because you attempted to make an insult so that means your argument is bad? Go think about that and have a good day friend!
I remember what I said - I said it's a non-issue and it is. Unless you're so bad you have to stick to <50 pvp to feel like you're winning. There is zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt for money otherwise - and <50 pvp is totally inconsequential. Not sure what you don't understand. I also don't know why you quoted me after every one of your arguments, but yeah - git gud. Being angry and obnoxious doesn't add weight to your words, it just makes you look like an insufferable person.
If there was zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt why are they selling them? Oh wait, it's cuz there's an advantage.
"There is zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt for money otherwise - and <50 pvp is totally inconsequential. Not sure what you don't understand. "
I don't understand why you keep thinking your opinion is fact. If you're paying for an advantage it isn't inconsequential. Not sure why this is so hard for you to get. Just because it isn't an advantage in your opinion doesn't mean it's not an advantage. But again "Git gud at discussion dude" you might wanna try it.
" Being angry and obnoxious doesn't add weight to your words, it just makes you look like an insufferable person."
Didn't you tell me to "Git gud at discussion dude", you might wanna follow your own words before you tell other people what to do. I'm not angry, I might be obnoxious but that's because if you wanna have an opinion that you can't defend you shouldn't be in there defending it.
Actually, it's time saved.
I'm making the assumption that like most people in here you drive a car, why did you buy it and why don't you still walk everywhere like you did at 13 years old?
I don't think you understand pay to win. It's like being on a train to a beach that everyone is going to and you get to a scheduled stop and there's someone there offering to sell you a car so you can reach the beach faster than everyone else so you can get the best spot.0 -
daniolio90✭✭Wispsister wrote: »
It would be P2W if they made those skill lines locked behind a paywall. Which they are not.Rave the Histborn wrote: »WTF are you even talking about? I'm not trying to be mean here, but they buffed skills that were under powered and unused for YEARS and then started selling the skill lines those skills are from for cash. That is a pretty heavy indication they are going there.
What they did was for money, of course because they are a company and kind of need to make money, but it is for convenience more than anything. You, right now, can have those sweet, sweet buffed skills for -- you guessed it! -- free.
The second they ACTUALLY lock those skills behind a 3k crown purchase, as in the ONLY way you could get those skills is by purchase (which is how it'd be if it was P2W btw), then you can poke them with your pitchforks all you want. Stop condemning them for giving players the option to skip boring grinds they may have already done numerous times. That's all it is, a shortcut. An option. If you don't want to pay, then you don't HAVE TO. Ya'll crying so hard over nothing.
I bought best in slot gear in archeage, community called it pay to win, But hey, if i maxed out crafting, and crafted those my self, it aint locked behind a paywall :P means its not pay to win by your logic :P ? Blizzard acted on auction house in diablo 3, because u could buy gear for irl money. But hey ! u could get same or better gear by farming x) , so .. again, not pay to win ? Pay to win does'nt have to be locked behind a paywall, Pay to win is defined today by advantages/time consuming where u could of difered your time elsewhere. It's an mmo, it takes time, it's supposed to be "endless" and take time. And for people with family and limited time, Well play causually, make time, or simply dont play an mmo maybe ^^
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✭✭✭✭✭Idiots trying to justify the skill lines being not pay to win because “you’ve already unlocked them once” get a grip. Have you people heard of below 50 PVP and battle levelled characters in this game? The only reason they are getting away with this crap is because the game isn’t popular enough for there to be coverage on this.
I agree this is an issue in under lvl 50 PvP. It was suggested that the benefits of unlocking the skill line scale as the character levels.
However, under 50 PvP is a really small part of PvP making it fairly insignificant in the big picture overall.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »I have no problem with this whatsoever.
I can totally understand why someone would not want to grind these skill lines over and over again when they already did it 1, 2, 3 times.
I have 18 characters.
I could buy every skill line for them if I wanted but would rather not spend that kind of money on that. I've purchased the Cyrodiil shards for the other alliances for my 3 new characters because I dont want to go through that torture after I've done it 15 times.
I work full time, have a family, other hobbies and responsibilities so I have not had time to complete all those skill lines on all my characters.
Complaining that someone can buy them is like me complaining that someone that can play all day every day and level those skill lines in game is play to win and we should limit everyone's play time each day to 4 hours so they don't have an advantage.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »What do you win by paying to unlock skill lines you've already unlocked?
By making a new character that will have a skill line that they shouldn't get at such a low level?
The benefit is very brief only a few skill lines force a character to level up while leveling up the line.
Granted, it was suggested that the skill lines increase based on the characters level or be locked to lvl 50, however, OP is saying if you can buy a weapon in game that is P2W and as such there is nothing that compares. It really seems that unless you actually famed the Mother's Sorrow weapon yourself or crafted it yourself you are guilty of P2W. Not the best argument to make.
He's saying what if they had a weapon like that in game that you could buy and it was the best and he's asking how it's any different from buying all of the best skills now since they buffed skills to be meta dps so they could sell them. It's a fairly solid argument.
Yes, I understood what they were trying to say but that they offered an analogy that does not offer the clarification they think it does. You would have to obtain it in game first to be an appropriate comparison. Even then it is not P2W as it does not offer you an advantage over what you can obtain in game since it can be obtained in game and has to be obtained in game to be able to use it. It really is that simple.
It is 100% pay to win if the item you're saying is available in game and to purchase. How is it not pay to win if I can buy the best weapon in the game vs grinding for it? It has to by definition offer you an invite advantage in this case or it wouldn't be sold. Also imagine players obtaining the item then going to pvp with it or buying it and using it on level ones cuz they already own it on an alt. Look you can keep trying to switch it, oh guys it's only temporary, oh it's only this and that but at the end of it it is pay to win. If you're paying for convenience, a short cut, whatever you wanna call it it is paying for an ingame advantage.
Yeah, but who cares? It is temporary, so who gives a shirt? Under 50 pvp is meaningless. And anybody willing to spend money to dominate there is just a ridiculous failure and we should all be laughing at that person.
Even if it is temporary IT IS STILL PAY TO WIN and it doesn't just affect under 50 pvp. "yeah, but who cares?" People that don't need to buy these and have ground out their toon and would like people to not have to carry the whales that pay. Play the game well sometime and you'll know that feeling.
No, it literally is just a <50 pvp issue. There is nowhere else in the game you can pay for these skill lines and get a sense of winning. Now you're saying the exact opposite of pay to win - you're saying you have to carry people who bought the skills and don't know how to play because they purchased everything.
First, this is nonsense. You have to earn the skills before they are available for purchase on an alt. Second, what you are describing is pay to lose. Who cares if somebody wants to give up all of their money and still be a bad player? I don't - there are plenty who are bad that have gotten that way for free.
Last, you know you're bad when instead of making an argument you attempt to make an insult. Git gud at discussion dude.
"Git gud at discussion dude"
"No, it literally is just a <50 pvp issue. There is nowhere else in the game you can pay for these skill lines and get a sense of winning"
Your own words, it's pay to win but it doesn't affect you because you only think it affects low level pvp. So you're wrong, might wanna Git dud at remembering your own points for more than 5min. It's like debating a goldfish.
"You have to earn the skills before they are available for purchase on an alt"
On an alt that didn't earn those skills. Pay to win is paying for an in game advantage. "Git gud at discussion dude"
"Second, what you are describing is pay to lose. Who cares if somebody wants to give up all of their money and still be a bad player? I don't - there are plenty who are bad that have gotten that way for free."
So you want bad players to have the ability to buy things and stay bad because some people are bad in the game. "Git gud at discussion dude"
"Last, you know you're bad when instead of making an argument you attempt to make an insult. Git gud at discussion dude."
Tries to take the moral high ground. Proceeds to do what you chastise people about insulting people then ends last line with an insult. So by your own words we shouldn't listen to what you have to say because you attempted to make an insult so that means your argument is bad? Go think about that and have a good day friend!
I remember what I said - I said it's a non-issue and it is. Unless you're so bad you have to stick to <50 pvp to feel like you're winning. There is zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt for money otherwise - and <50 pvp is totally inconsequential. Not sure what you don't understand. I also don't know why you quoted me after every one of your arguments, but yeah - git gud. Being angry and obnoxious doesn't add weight to your words, it just makes you look like an insufferable person.
If there was zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt why are they selling them? Oh wait, it's cuz there's an advantage.
"There is zero advantage to gaining these skills on an alt for money otherwise - and <50 pvp is totally inconsequential. Not sure what you don't understand. "
I don't understand why you keep thinking your opinion is fact. If you're paying for an advantage it isn't inconsequential. Not sure why this is so hard for you to get. Just because it isn't an advantage in your opinion doesn't mean it's not an advantage. But again "Git gud at discussion dude" you might wanna try it.
" Being angry and obnoxious doesn't add weight to your words, it just makes you look like an insufferable person."
Didn't you tell me to "Git gud at discussion dude", you might wanna follow your own words before you tell other people what to do. I'm not angry, I might be obnoxious but that's because if you wanna have an opinion that you can't defend you shouldn't be in there defending it.
Actually, it's time saved.
I'm making the assumption that like most people in here you drive a car, why did you buy it and why don't you still walk everywhere like you did at 13 years old?
I don't think you understand pay to win. It's like being on a train to a beach that everyone is going to and you get to a scheduled stop and there's someone there offering to sell you a car so you can reach the beach faster than everyone else so you can get the best spot.
I have a car. Winning! And a disability badge. Double win! And I live a stone throw from the beach... Flawless Victory!Edited by mairwen85 on August 29, 2019 4:32PM3 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭I love it, thank you ZOS. Better would not be to repeat all these things and unluck them account wide. But I get what I want and ZOS get money so fair play.Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only3 -
ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭daniolio90 wrote: »Wispsister wrote: »
It would be P2W if they made those skill lines locked behind a paywall. Which they are not.Rave the Histborn wrote: »WTF are you even talking about? I'm not trying to be mean here, but they buffed skills that were under powered and unused for YEARS and then started selling the skill lines those skills are from for cash. That is a pretty heavy indication they are going there.
What they did was for money, of course because they are a company and kind of need to make money, but it is for convenience more than anything. You, right now, can have those sweet, sweet buffed skills for -- you guessed it! -- free.
The second they ACTUALLY lock those skills behind a 3k crown purchase, as in the ONLY way you could get those skills is by purchase (which is how it'd be if it was P2W btw), then you can poke them with your pitchforks all you want. Stop condemning them for giving players the option to skip boring grinds they may have already done numerous times. That's all it is, a shortcut. An option. If you don't want to pay, then you don't HAVE TO. Ya'll crying so hard over nothing.
I bought best in slot gear in archeage, community called it pay to win, But hey, if i maxed out crafting, and crafted those my self, it aint locked behind a paywall :P means its not pay to win by your logic :P ? Blizzard acted on auction house in diablo 3, because u could buy gear for irl money. But hey ! u could get same or better gear by farming x) , so .. again, not pay to win ? Pay to win does'nt have to be locked behind a paywall, Pay to win is defined today by advantages/time consuming where u could of difered your time elsewhere. It's an mmo, it takes time, it's supposed to be "endless" and take time. And for people with family and limited time, Well play causually, make time, or simply dont play an mmo maybe ^^
They are going to sell whatever game earns them profits. I think if you're too poor to play a modern mmo, you should just play casually. Sound fair to you?
Seriously, what do you care whether somebody invests time vs. money into the game? I can't for the life of me see how it impacts you in any way whatsoever. If you have time instead of money, grind away. If you have money instead of time, pay away. I'm really trying to see why anybody cares about the distinction and just can't do it.1 -
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