Worst pvp meta yet
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30k health petsorcs, magblades with like 60% mitigation plus vamp undeath, fury and ravaging or sevenths on all group based stam builds, masters bleeds, pure dot builds, insane off heals and of course the super balanced pummeling goliath bash spam and colossus ults. this is by far the worst time for a solo player, is it going to improve or will this game just be everyone plating ulti dump dot tank builds in a years time?
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before19 -
Datolite✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
The bash problem is sadly prevalent even in BGs, necros wiping entire groups, but it's gonna get nerfed so whatever.
Count me as another vote for noCP. The only way to PvP.7 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
How you figure? Offensive and defensive CP basically cancel out.
Looking at the various builds, they all have essentially the same CP allocations. The only advantage is high CP vs low CP.
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Hashtag_✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
High MMR BGs is just open world pvp just more concentrated and intensified.1 -
Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭remeber the proc meta? viper, red mountain, veli? There have been far worse times to eso's combat system than just some tanky players.
Performance it is what keeps me from playing the game.8 -
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✭✭I normally play cp. but with how atrociously unbalanced CP has become especially this patch with twilight pet sorcs running armor master literally the most fingerless class to play in the game. and magblades with literally 50% damage mitigation, and Goliath bash builds. I recently began to play BG’s more even with the terrible MMR. I am now one to say that noncp is more balanced than cp is. This most recent patch has solidified that fact.Edited by frostz417 on June 24, 2019 1:45PM2 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
you will see full time dm matches with few frags on a winning side. people are too tanky and if they have a nb healbot then it becomes a waste of time
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✭Pvp in the most survive-to-win meta yet.
Everyone stays at +80% health until ult dumps happen. Pirate skelly, max protective... class mitigation. But hey when three of those tanks jump on you your pretty much dead.5 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
The bash problem is sadly prevalent even in BGs, necros wiping entire groups, but it's gonna get nerfed so whatever.
Count me as another vote for noCP. The only way to PvP.
What is getting nerfed?0 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
The bash problem is sadly prevalent even in BGs, necros wiping entire groups, but it's gonna get nerfed so whatever.
Count me as another vote for noCP. The only way to PvP.
What is getting nerfed?
Necro bash bs.0 -
Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
The bash problem is sadly prevalent even in BGs, necros wiping entire groups, but it's gonna get nerfed so whatever.
Count me as another vote for noCP. The only way to PvP.
What is getting nerfed?
Necro bash bs.
is it official?August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭And necro as a class is pretty bad.
It's a class clearly designed for zerging, basically useless outside of ults.
Pathing issues on ai, the body system needs tuning, bodies vanish too quick, having to target bodies is a mess. Classes sustain isn't kinda bad and again, its tied to bodies which are unreliable and tied to death, so large scale combat.
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
How you figure? Offensive and defensive CP basically cancel out.
Looking at the various builds, they all have essentially the same CP allocations. The only advantage is high CP vs low CP.
Ok, I thought about making a long thread however; to streamline it. Mitigation comes after amplification, they don't cancel each other. Say I have a 2k attack and +20% that's 2.4, then you mitigate 20% of that 2.4, that's 4.8 bringing it down to 1.8k (below the starting point). There's other logical reasoning behind it (such as CP BGs being never ending etc) but that's why I say that (the jist)Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
High MMR BGs is just open world pvp just more concentrated and intensified.
In OW I'm always going 1v3+, in BGs I have teammates - that alone is a difference
In OW people can peace, in BGs you still gotta play
In OW you face zergs, or you hunt potatoes, you don't face equal competition
There's more to it than that obviously, but big difference is not being truly alone3 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »And necro as a class is pretty bad.
It's a class clearly designed for zerging, basically useless outside of ults.
Pathing issues on ai, the body system needs tuning, bodies vanish too quick, having to target bodies is a mess. Classes sustain isn't kinda bad and again, its tied to bodies which are unreliable and tied to death, so large scale combat.
They're not really designed for Zerging, they're designed for PvE a lot of their damage abilities are completely worthless in PvP zerg or no which is probably a big reason most necro's zerg.Invictus1 -
Metemsycosis✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
How you figure? Offensive and defensive CP basically cancel out.
Looking at the various builds, they all have essentially the same CP allocations. The only advantage is high CP vs low CP.
Ok, I thought about making a long thread however; to streamline it. Mitigation comes after amplification, they don't cancel each other. Say I have a 2k attack and +20% that's 2.4, then you mitigate 20% of that 2.4, that's 4.8 bringing it down to 1.8k (below the starting point). There's other logical reasoning behind it (such as CP BGs being never ending etc) but that's why I say that (the jist)Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
High MMR BGs is just open world pvp just more concentrated and intensified.
In OW I'm always going 1v3+, in BGs I have teammates - that alone is a difference
In OW people can peace, in BGs you still gotta play
In OW you face zergs, or you hunt potatoes, you don't face equal competition
There's more to it than that obviously, but big difference is not being truly alone
+1
Another being you can diversify defense
using cp in a way you cant your offense (outside of applying defile). You can boost heals, and your ability to dodge more, cc break better, block more efficiently, etc.Edited by Metemsycosis on June 24, 2019 4:40PMTerethea Magdalena, Breton Nightblade
A Dark-Adapted Eye, Imperial Necromancer
sanguinare vampiris
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Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
The bash problem is sadly prevalent even in BGs, necros wiping entire groups, but it's gonna get nerfed so whatever.
Count me as another vote for noCP. The only way to PvP.
What is getting nerfed?
Necro bash bs.
is it official?
I haven’t seen anything but it’s fairly obvious. BASH BOMB FTW!Edited by Insco851 on June 24, 2019 4:40PM0 -
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✭✭✭Pvp in the most survive-to-win meta yet.
Everyone stays at +80% health until ult dumps happen. Pirate skelly, max protective... class mitigation. But hey when three of those tanks jump on you your pretty much dead.
In my opinion pvp this way is way better then the alternative.
If someone’s relatively easy to take out solo then they can be killed in one or two GCDs by 4 people. Tankiness means things like focus firing and group pvp tactics become more important, instead of the standard: ele drain - dot - stun - execute - kill... 3-4 GCDs per kill is silly.
Sounds to me like people aren’t used to playing pvp as a group and want to be a solo hero. If they remove tankiness they remove pvp group tactics, and that’s when pvp gets good.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten5 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pvp in the most survive-to-win meta yet.
Everyone stays at +80% health until ult dumps happen. Pirate skelly, max protective... class mitigation. But hey when three of those tanks jump on you your pretty much dead.
In my opinion pvp this way is way better then the alternative.
If someone’s relatively easy to take out solo then they can be killed in one or two GCDs by 4 people. Tankiness means things like focus firing and group pvp tactics become more important, instead of the standard: ele drain - dot - stun - execute - kill... 3-4 GCDs per kill is silly.
Sounds to me like people aren’t used to playing pvp as a group and want to be a solo hero. If they remove tankiness they remove pvp group tactics, and that’s when pvp gets good.
My favorite part of this game is small scale. I run a 3-5 man when my people are on. My favorite memories of this game all come from impressive outnumbered but not out played moments.
Even in those times you could catch a random 1v1 that didn’t stall out. Now you have to play tanky enough that magsorc cant blow you up but you also can’t kill the sorc with that spec.6 -
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✭Pvp in the most survive-to-win meta yet.
Everyone stays at +80% health until ult dumps happen. Pirate skelly, max protective... class mitigation. But hey when three of those tanks jump on you your pretty much dead.
In my opinion pvp this way is way better then the alternative.
If someone’s relatively easy to take out solo then they can be killed in one or two GCDs by 4 people. Tankiness means things like focus firing and group pvp tactics become more important, instead of the standard: ele drain - dot - stun - execute - kill... 3-4 GCDs per kill is silly.
Sounds to me like people aren’t used to playing pvp as a group and want to be a solo hero. If they remove tankiness they remove pvp group tactics, and that’s when pvp gets good.
Being tanky has nothing to do with group pvp. If I can wear all damage sets and still survive 4 or more players attacking me as a solo player there is no reason someone in a group needs to build tanky to survive when they have group support and healers. The reason players build tanky is they don’t have the skill to survive without equipping multiple defensive sets. It has nothing to do with group tactics at all.
Actually what happens is being tanky allows you to ignore certain group mechanics like good positioning and predicting when enemy groups are going to burst because you can just tank through it. The fact that a lot of people seem to think you can’t survive a few global cooldowns without building tanky lets me know that players are struggling to keep their defensive buffs up.11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I miss the days where everyone was burstable and there was counters to pretty much everything.
I could 3 hit people sure but they could just as easy 3 hit me. Games just gone pure casual and there is 0 incentive for people to get better.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...16 -
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✭✭If PVP was actually playable it would be worth discussing the Meta but right now it's hard to think about that when the servers feel like they're in meltdown.4 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »I miss the days where everyone was burstable and there was counters to pretty much everything.
I could 3 hit people sure but they could just as easy 3 hit me. Games just gone pure casual and there is 0 incentive for people to get better.leepalmer95 wrote: »I miss the days where everyone was burstable and there was counters to pretty much everything.
I could 3 hit people sure but they could just as easy 3 hit me. Games just gone pure casual and there is 0 incentive for people to get better.
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✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
I just spent the last 2-3 hours doing bgs, 1st I did any PvP since Elsweyr came out. It's a completely different story in comparison to how it was before. The meta shifted mostly to super tanky builds, or glass cannons that kill you before you can react. The latter is forcing people to build into the former.
It is without a doubt the worst meta I've experienced since i started playing ESO regularly a year and a half ago."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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✭✭✭✭✭ShadowProc wrote: »
Not a lot usually lmao. Extra hp just makes it so much harder to burst people. Usually give up nothing to become unburstable/
I think its time for the extra 5k hp in pvp to be lowered.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Go into BGs.
First mobility is the true king here.
CP unbalancingly favors mitigation (all CP problems aren't in BGs)
The proc meta is Over
We do have Pets - this cannot be avoided
Bleeds not nearly as bad after the update
No bash spam here, occasional bashes but nothing compared to Cyrodiil
Tanks can exist but not like what was running around before
I just spent the last 2-3 hours doing bgs, 1st I did any PvP since Elsweyr came out. It's a completely different story in comparison to how it was before. The meta shifted mostly to super tanky builds, or glass cannons that kill you before you can react. The latter is forcing people to build into the former.
It is without a doubt the worst meta I've experienced since i started playing ESO regularly a year and a half ago.
It's shifted indeed!
But have you shifted to accommodate?
Tanky isn't resistance anymore but you stack major protection with maim
That alone should really open up how you are approaching BGs1
