Sunspire Senche in the Crown Store - Please don't do this!

p00tx · May 2019

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

Jthomas56 wrote: »

Except in the real world you work hard to earn cash, and if someone shows up with counterfeit cash could also by the Tesla. The person who actually worked hard for the cash might feel cheated because what they worked hard for could have been simply got by printing cash.

That's just how you see it. You nonironically compare someone buying the crown store version of the mount, a perfectly legal transaction, to someone buying a Tesla with counterfeit cash, an illegal practice.

Say what ever makes 'sense' to you if it helps your pride. Arguing isn't going change the fact that this mount exist, other people are going to buy it when (not if) it comes out because they want it, they are not responsible for your ego issues/personal beliefs, it's futile to use emotional appeals when its just business and ZOS has other communities to juggle as well. That's just fact.

You're going to have to live with casual players riding their sunspire senches all over the place. You get a free mount, others have to pay for it if they want one similar. At this point, you might as well get used to it. You really think a company is going to miss out on the opportunity to get more revenue just because of the principle of a few of a majority? The forums =\= the whole player base.

You'll get over it. If not, there's other MMOs with achievement locked exclusive mounts. No one said you can't look at those.

As long as it's not toxic behavior, no one needs to limit or curb their own gaming happiness or experience out of 'consideration' just because you think people owe it to you for the reason you stated. I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but respect is reserved for those who have more going for them overall as a person (maturity, compassion, reliability, etc) rather than just skills at a game.

None of us know one another outside of this game, and I don't think anyone really cares how great you think you are in your everyday life (seriously...no one cares). We're gamers, like it or not, and this is the game we all have in common. We WILL be worrying about this game and the outcome of any changes to it, no matter how often you sneer and make s****y comments about any and every aspect of an end-game that you clearly don't participate in. If you don't have anything constructive to add, you might think about finding another thread to troll. You've exhausted your welcome in this one.

Tsar_Gekkou · May 2019

They should just invert the colors to make it obvious who played and who paid.

ZOS_GinaBruno · May 2019

We’d like to thank everyone for sharing feedback, and offer a friendly reminder that any datamined images or information are subject to change until they are officially released. The final look of the Sunspire Ice-Fire Senche-Lion mount (the one that will be available from the Crown Store) is still in progress, but it will have a more clearly differentiated look compared to the Sunspire Champion Senche-Lion mount (the one obtained from the challenging Sunspire Dragonbreak Trial achievement).

BuddyAces · May 2019

p00tx wrote: »

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

Jthomas56 wrote: »

Except in the real world you work hard to earn cash, and if someone shows up with counterfeit cash could also by the Tesla. The person who actually worked hard for the cash might feel cheated because what they worked hard for could have been simply got by printing cash.

That's just how you see it. You nonironically compare someone buying the crown store version of the mount, a perfectly legal transaction, to someone buying a Tesla with counterfeit cash, an illegal practice.

Say what ever makes 'sense' to you if it helps your pride. Arguing isn't going change the fact that this mount exist, other people are going to buy it when (not if) it comes out because they want it, they are not responsible for your ego issues/personal beliefs, it's futile to use emotional appeals when its just business and ZOS has other communities to juggle as well. That's just fact.

You're going to have to live with casual players riding their sunspire senches all over the place. You get a free mount, others have to pay for it if they want one similar. At this point, you might as well get used to it. You really think a company is going to miss out on the opportunity to get more revenue just because of the principle of a few of a majority? The forums =\= the whole player base.

You'll get over it. If not, there's other MMOs with achievement locked exclusive mounts. No one said you can't look at those.

As long as it's not toxic behavior, no one needs to limit or curb their own gaming happiness or experience out of 'consideration' just because you think people owe it to you for the reason you stated. I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but respect is reserved for those who have more going for them overall as a person (maturity, compassion, reliability, etc) rather than just skills at a game.

None of us know one another outside of this game, and I don't think anyone really cares how great you think you are in your everyday life (seriously...no one cares). We're gamers, like it or not, and this is the game we all have in common. We WILL be worrying about this game and the outcome of any changes to it, no matter how often you sneer and make s****y comments about any and every aspect of an end-game that you clearly don't participate in. If you don't have anything constructive to add, you might think about finding another thread to troll. You've exhausted your welcome in this one.

I don't care either way on this issue (because as I said earlier, you're f'in delusional if you didn't see that this was going to happen because everything ZOS puts in the game ends up in the store too) but because you don't agree with him doesn't make him a troll. He's simply stating the truth honestly. Nobody outside of a very small portion of endgame players care if you earn the mount through a trial or buy it from the crown store. In fact, the folks who care that people can buy it are VASTLY much lower in number than the other way around.

Cheezits94 · May 2019

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We’d like to thank everyone for sharing feedback, and offer a friendly reminder that any datamined images or information are subject to change until they are officially released. The final look of the Sunspire Ice-Fire Senche-Lion mount (the one that will be available from the Crown Store) is still in progress, but it will have a more clearly differentiated look compared to the Sunspire Champion Senche-Lion mount (the one obtained from the challenging Sunspire Dragonbreak Trial achievement).

This is good to hear, thanks a lot for this update.

Wolfkeks · May 2019

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We’d like to thank everyone for sharing feedback, and offer a friendly reminder that any datamined images or information are subject to change until they are officially released. The final look of the Sunspire Ice-Fire Senche-Lion mount (the one that will be available from the Crown Store) is still in progress, but it will have a more clearly differentiated look compared to the Sunspire Champion Senche-Lion mount (the one obtained from the challenging Sunspire Dragonbreak Trial achievement).

Thanks for the update Gina

darkstar2084 · May 2019

they are totally different guys, one has silver armour the other gold

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

There ya have it, folks. The mount will likely still have its original flavor with the icy wind and fire pawprints, but it will have a more clearly differentiated look. Nothing more to worry about.

Case closed.

Thanks for the clarification Gina!

saf227_ESO · May 2019

"Guys! Quick! We need to differentiate the Sunspire Ice-Fire Senche-Lion from the Sunspire Champion Senche-Lion!"
"Er, okay, sure. How?"
"Uhm....I dunno. Give it just 1 leg and make it hop around."
"You got it!"

Seriously, I want a 1 legged hopping senche.

Jhalin · May 2019

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We’d like to thank everyone for sharing feedback, and offer a friendly reminder that any datamined images or information are subject to change until they are officially released. The final look of the Sunspire Ice-Fire Senche-Lion mount (the one that will be available from the Crown Store) is still in progress, but it will have a more clearly differentiated look compared to the Sunspire Champion Senche-Lion mount (the one obtained from the challenging Sunspire Dragonbreak Trial achievement).

Here’s an idea, instead of the same old senche, use a senche-rhat model with the ice and fire aesthetics

Make it unmistakably different, from the base up

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · May 2019

Does it really matter? I mean they are just pixels on a screen. At the end of the day the only people who care about your accomplishment is you and maybe a few friends. Other than that most people will see it, maybe say "cool" and move on. Aren't video games supposed to about fun and not worrying about what other players are doing?

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

Lol. No, they're not going to go back and change a Senche-Lion model into a Senche-Raht model just because some ppl, despite reassurances from official sources, still feel insecure that their mount isn't distinguishable.

Wolfkeks · May 2019

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

Lol. No, they're not going to go back and change a Senche-Lion model into a Senche-Raht model just because some ppl, despite reassurances from official sources, still feel insecure that their mount isn't distinguishable. XD

OMG imagine a fire-ice-senche-raht! That would be so awesome!

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

Wolfkeks wrote: »

OMG imagine a fire-ice-senche-raht! That would be so awesome!

On second thought, change the Champion mount into an awesome golden saddle and armor Ice fire Senche-Raht, since it makes sense because the trial is *full* of Senche-raht (like the dro m'athra senche, but with an ice-fire twist).

Jhalin · May 2019

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

Lol. No, they're not going to go back and change a Senche-Lion model into a Senche-Raht model just because some ppl, despite reassurances from official sources, still feel insecure that their mount isn't distinguishable.

Why shouldn’t they? It’s certainly not distinguishable as is, and unless it goes through a major shift anyway, the two will remain indestinguishable

Give the endgame community a real, proper reward that people can’t just buy

Greystag · May 2019

If anything I think they should make a fire senche, kinda like how we got the frost senche (even if it was a crown crate exclusive).

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

Jhalin wrote: »

Why shouldn’t they? It’s certainly not distinguishable as is, and unless it goes through a major shift anyway, the two will remain indestinguishable

Because the majority of the player base is casual and they are larger than the endgame community. They're the ones spending crowns on cosmetics and contributing more funds for the game. Some people also have disabilities and they will never be able to get the achievements, that doesn't mean they're lower than you or that they don't have the right to enjoy an Ice Fire Senche as well.

The Senche-Lion is not the equivalent to a Senche-Raht. The AS polymorphs were still similar, just differently colored, and people were generally fine with that arrangement. ZOS tries to be open and fair to all of it's communities. There's other communities like housing, role-playing, fishing, etc. They want everyone to have equal opportunity to get it.

The final look of the Sunspire Ice-Fire Senche-Lion mount (the one that will be available from the Crown Store) is still in progress

They've already established that it will be a Ice fire Senche-Lion, even if it will look clearly different. What incentive does ZOS have to change it, when the same players who would buy the Lion model isn't into the bulky Raht model? That's cutting off a potential source of revenue for them.

If you really don't see the issue here, then there shouldn't be any complaints if they change the Champion ice fire senche lion into a champion ice fire senche raht with the same golden tack, and just leave the CS mount as it is. Because you will still have real, proper reward that people can’t just buy.

Jhalin · May 2019

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Why shouldn’t they? It’s certainly not distinguishable as is, and unless it goes through a major shift anyway, the two will remain indestinguishable

Because the majority of the player base is casual and they are larger than the endgame community. They're the ones spending crowns on cosmetics and contributing more funds for the game. Some people also have disabilities and they will never be able to get the achievements, that doesn't mean they're lower than you or that they don't have the right to enjoy an Ice Fire Senche as well.

The Senche-Lion is not the equivalent to a Senche-Raht. The AS polymorphs were still similar, just differently colored, and people were generally fine with that arrangement. ZOS tries to be open and fair to all of it's communities. There's other communities like housing, role-playing, fishing, etc. They want everyone to have equal opportunity to get it.

The final look of the Sunspire Ice-Fire Senche-Lion mount (the one that will be available from the Crown Store) is still in progress

They've already established that it will be a Ice fire Senche-Lion, even if it will look clearly different. What incentive does ZOS have to change it, when the same players who would buy the Lion model isn't into the bulky Raht model? That's cutting off a potential source of revenue for them.

If you really don't see the issue here, then there shouldn't be any complaints if they change the Champion ice fire senche lion into a champion ice fire senche raht with the same golden tack, and just leave the CS mount as it is. Because you will still have real, proper reward that people can’t just buy.

The unique model brought in with Elsweyr done up fancy for Elsweyr’s full trial would be a much better option. They aren’t losing customers putting the more unique one as a trial reward because it’s not being purchased. People expect the same old reskinned senche model in the store, something better for the trial would be a step in the right direction for this game.

VDoom1 · May 2019

Greystag wrote: »

If anything I think they should make a fire senche, kinda like how we got the frost senche (even if it was a crown crate exclusive).

Excellent idea! Same as how the frost horse also came but we never saw any pure fire horse.

I agree with what's previously been said. Making the trial mount a different model, Senche Raht for example, would make it more unique. So there is no real way to get that really epic and unique looking mount, except the hard way.

People who don't do trials or hardmode could then at least get the same skin of the trial mount in the store, but on a normal Senche.

Txs for the update Gina!

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

VDoom1 wrote: »

Making the trial mount a different model, Senche Raht for example, would make it more unique. So there is no real way to get that really epic and unique looking mount, except the hard way.

People who don't do trials or hardmode could then at least get the same skin of the trial mount in the store, but on a normal Senche.

Txs for the update Gina!

This

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

DP woops, but oh well.

They aren’t losing customers putting the more unique one as a trial reward because it’s not being purchased.

If people see a mount they want, and can pay for, they will pay for it. If they don't want a specific mount, they won't spend a dime on it. If we take hypothetical scenarios in which ZOS puts an Ice-Fire Senche Lion (heavily edited, mind you to be distinguishable from its trial cousin) in the CS in one, and an Ice-Fire Senche Raht in another, the customers who see the trial Senche-Lion and want a similar version, or just want a Senche version, have the option of buying a less fancy version in the store. Because they are fundamentally the same mount, just visually different, there is no gate that bars them from buying a mount that they equally have the right to enjoy, circumstances being taking into consideration. Thus, ZOS is not losing potential customers because there is an avenue for those players.

What sort of 'equivalency' would there be to get the players to spend crowns on a mount if it's an entirely different mount? Why would players who would have purchased the Ice-Fire Senche Lion in one scenario, choose to buy a an Ice-Fire Senche Raht in another scenario, when its design doesn't appeal to them? The fact that not every player purchased the special edition of Elsweyr (which comes with a Senche-Raht mount) suggests that aside from the mementos and other small perks, not everyone likes the design of the mount itself.

I stand corrected, ya'll.

Jhalin · May 2019

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

DP woops, but oh well.

They aren’t losing customers putting the more unique one as a trial reward because it’s not being purchased.

If people see a mount they want, and can pay for, they will pay for it. If they don't want a specific mount, they won't spend a dime on it. If we take hypothetical scenarios in which ZOS puts an Ice-Fire Senche Lion (heavily edited, mind you to be distinguishable from its trial cousin) in the CS in one, and an Ice-Fire Senche Raht in another, the customers who see the trial Senche-Lion and want a similar version, or just want a Senche version, have the option of buying a less fancy version in the store. Because they are fundamentally the same mount, just visually different, there is no gate that bars them from buying a mount that they equally have the right to enjoy, circumstances being taking into consideration. Thus, ZOS is not losing potential customers because there is an avenue for those players.

What sort of 'equivalency' would there be to get the players to spend crowns on a mount if it's an entirely different mount? Why would players who would have purchased the Ice-Fire Senche Lion in one scenario, choose to buy a an Ice-Fire Senche Raht in another scenario, when its design doesn't appeal to them? The fact that not every player purchased the special edition of Elsweyr (which comes with a Senche-Raht mount) suggests that aside from the mementos and other small perks, not everyone likes the design of the mount itself.

Please read what I have written

The senche-RHAT would be given the appropriate textures and VFX then awarded for Sunspire trial achievements. Never available in the store, it should be a trial exclusive in every way

Nothing about the purchasable mount would be effected

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

Jhalin wrote: »

Please read what I have written

The senche-RHAT would be given the appropriate textures and VFX then awarded for Sunspire trial achievements. Never available in the store, it should be a trial exclusive in every way

Nothing about the purchasable mount would be effected

-slams head on desk-

You're right.

Now that I think about, that means endgame community can get that mount AND the IF Senche-Lion in the CS (if they even want to).

O_LYKOS · May 2019

Do you really expect anything different from zos at this point.

Integral1900 · May 2019

Soooo.......

It just means we have two ways of getting a realy naff looking mount....... why the big hooo haaa?

Wouldn’t use it if they gave it away free, it’s a ludicrous looking lump of nonsense 🤢

Eldartar · May 2019

Integral1900 wrote: »

Soooo.......

It just means we have two ways of getting a realy naff looking mount....... why the big hooo haaa?

Wouldn’t use it if they gave it away free, it’s a ludicrous looking lump of nonsense 🤢

NO, don't hold back, tell us what you really think

Tigerseye · May 2019

Wolfkeks wrote: »

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

Lol. No, they're not going to go back and change a Senche-Lion model into a Senche-Raht model just because some ppl, despite reassurances from official sources, still feel insecure that their mount isn't distinguishable. XD

OMG imagine a fire-ice-senche-raht! That would be so awesome!

It really wouldn't.

siddique · May 2019

I think it's a bit of a tacky move on the part of developers.

Tigerseye · May 2019

Kelces wrote: »

I remember the days, when there was no such a thing like achievements. The days, people still used their imagination to define success in a game.

I know.

You knew you had done it and that was the point.

Now, you have to be told what you have achieved (because you have no memory of it, apparently) and be bribed to do it, in future, because you don't actually enjoy doing it.

Hilarious.

Tigerseye · May 2019

Jhalin wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Swiftfox_Bouncyface wrote: »

Controversial? You mean as controversial as every other special snowflake casul? "Achievement elitism" is a the way someone chose to play so yea let's make it brain dead for all special snowflakes to have anything they want without moving a finger

P.S.
It's not as fun as doing quests for some for instance

Anyone praising this change is a scourge on this game

They just keep trying to remove any aspect of challenge to get rewards, it’s lazy and ZOS is going to milk them over and over while people who actually want a GAME just get a cash shop with RPG elements

No, people with inflated egos, which need constant massaging, are a scourge on every game.

Always have been, always will be.

So to be clear you think skilled players wanting a reward for all their hard work and time spent in the game are what bring a game down, not the people who want nothing to be exclusive to in-game player, who want all reward for skill played to be purchasable with next to no effort?

The "reward" is supposed to be the fun of playing and the accomplishment of succeeding.

If you don't enjoy doing trials and you don't gain any kind of sense of accomplishment, from having completed them, just do yourself (and us all) a massive favour and stop doing them.

Ah and I’m sure if universities pulled all sports scholarships and said the players should just put all that work in for “just fun” or “why don’t you shut up and quit”, that would go over well wouldn’t it

Um, this isn't a "scholarship" for people who, otherwise, might not be able to afford to go to school.

It's a cr*ppy-looking reward, for those who have to be bribed to play parts of the game they chose to buy, because they don't actually enjoy them.

...and if sports players don't enjoy playing their sport, yes they should absolutely quit doing it and leave it to those who do.

It's all "bread and circuses", anyway.