About the cost of carries

siddique

So, someone was selling carries today and I thought I'd inquire about how much gold it costs.

VMoL was like a million gold whereas VHoF was 2.5mil. I asked about VCR+3 and that was for 12 million!

Now I wouldn't buy carries nor do I have any issues with people who want to buy or sell them, but 12 million? Is vcr+3 that much more difficult than vhof? I thought it takes less than half the time.

Bouldercleave

I guess it's all about supply and demand. If someone will pay that much for a carry, I assure you - someone will take advantage of it.


I've never understood the desire to get carried nor to charge to carry someone through content.

Ogou

It's probably a lot harder to find a group to carry you through vCR+3 than it is to find one for vHoF.

BuddyAces

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I guess it's all about supply and demand. If someone will pay that much for a carry, I assure you - someone will take advantage of it.


I've never understood the desire to get carried nor to charge to carry someone through content.

There are folks who want gear/titles/skins/whatever and either know they can't get into an end game guild, don't wanna raid at that level, only do PvP, RP, questers, and everything that isn't end game raiding. I can see why they'd pay for it and nothing should be held against someone for wanting to pay for it if they have the gold.

Also, they desire to carry someone cuz they make a crap ton of gold doing something that they would normally be doing anyway.

heaven13

siddique wrote: »

So, someone was selling carries today and I thought I'd inquire about how much gold it costs.

VMoL was like a million gold whereas VHoF was 2.5mil. I asked about VCR+3 and that was for 12 million!

Now I wouldn't buy carries nor do I have any issues with people who want to buy or sell them, but 12 million? Is vcr+3 that much more difficult than vhof? I thought it takes less than half the time.

From what I have heard, generally carries include all the tradeable gear drops. Perfected Cloudrest gear is pretty desirable and 3/4 of the sets are considered BiS. Now, I don't buy/sell carries so I'm not sure if that's entirely true or if the particular group you asked factored that in. That said, I've even seen advertised carries for between 600-800k for plain vet Depths of Malatar due to the skin.

Can't say that I would ever be interested in buying carries myself. There's something rewarding about finally being able to clear after working at it!

LeagueTroll

Vcr hm is much more difficult than vhof hm.
Melee dps in hof = hardly any mechanic.
As long as you have a good parse, you can get in hof runs with no exp and get clear.
Why pay when all you need is parse?
Vas hm is a lot harder.
There is exactly 2 mechanics for dd, run during storm and block the defile, so this is not just parse.
And vcr hm has even more mechanics, fire bomb, frost, bar swap, and also almost have to learn bottom.

Reverb

If we carry through vHoF we have core members up to the last fight, when someone drops and the carry comes in.

For vCR+3 a carry means the entire fight is 11-man, it’s a hard enough fight wth 12 High performing members.

UrQuan

heaven13 wrote: »

Can't say that I would ever be interested in buying carries myself. There's something rewarding about finally being able to clear after working at it!

And that's why we've got friendly guilds and Discords where people can get together and work together on getting those clears - because you and I and other like-minded individuals enjoy that sense of shared fun/suffering while working towards it, and the sense of accomplishment from finally getting it done!

But if people want to buy a carry, meh, whatever.

LordLomax

Also at the moment there is only about 3 current guilds on PS4 Eu server who can/have completed vcr+3 so they charge that amount as it is the current hardest content in the game

Kiralyn2000

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I've never understood the desire to get carried nor to charge to carry someone through content.

Not sure about here, but way back in early WoW, the big raid guilds sold carries in the raids they had on 'farm', to earn the huge amount of gold needed to work on their progression raid (elixirs and potions for 40+ people, repairs, etc.)

Runefang

VCR HM also only has 7 dps slots available since it takes 3 tanks and 2 healers. So losing 1 of 7 is huge, especially with the huge number of mechanics the dps deal with. I can’t imagine how hard that is to do...

WrathOfInnos

vCR+3 carries are more like 9 mil with gear. If the gold jewelry from these sets made it to the golden vendor people would happily pay 250k for each piece, so the 12 gold rings/necklaces alone are easily worth over 3 mil. On top of that you get 12 weapons and 12 armor pieces (or is it 24?), which can certainly vary in value depending what drops, but since 3/4 sets are excellent and even Galanwe is not bad, it’s not unreasonable to say that these average a couple hundred thousand gold each in value. There is certainly some RNG in gear drops (especially weapon types aligning with sets), but that is a gamble made by whoever is paying for it. The rest of the sum can be considered the price of the title and skin.

It is definitely a lot of gold, but I will say from the other side of things it can take a lot of effort to pull off a vCR+3 clear with a DPS missing. Many of the mechanics in there are require a certain number of players to survive. Once I participated in a carry that spanned 3 nights of attempts, totaling about 5-6 hours, for about 800k each. It would have been much more profitable to do vAS+2 carries that take 15 minutes max and pay 360k to everyone involved.

wishlist14

Wow players have brought carries to eso...this is so wrong on so many levels....not different to bots in my opinion. Just kills the integrity of the game but I guess some people don't care.

It's player exploitation imo.
Just thought id add that i myself played wow for years and it's the reason I know a lot of carries were being sold in wow. I hated it it there and then and I hate it here, now.

Runefang

wishlist14 wrote: »

Wow players have brought carries to eso...this is so wrong on so many levels....not different to bots in my opinion. Just kills the integrity of the game but I guess some people don't care.

It's player exploitation imo.

It's nothing to do with WoW.

It's not player exploitation. I know of players who are 'casual' and just wandering around questing, crafting, harvesting, outfitting etc and have done so for years. They have 20 million+ gold and if they decide they like the look of a skin they'd happily pay to get it because they'll never get it any other way.

Heady

wishlist14 wrote: »

Wow players have brought carries to eso...this is so wrong on so many levels....not different to bots in my opinion. Just kills the integrity of the game but I guess some people don't care.

It's player exploitation imo.

If someone is willing to pay for a service, how is that exploitation

code65536

vCR +3 is faster than vHoF, but it's a lot more unforgiving, and thus, harder.

With vHoF, all you really need are a pair of decent tanks, and you can drag pretty much any somewhat competent group through. It'll probably take a while, but the fights are pretty recoverable if mistakes are made.

With vCR +3, mistakes are a lot less tolerable, because it's possible for a mistake to domino into a wipe very fast. You can go from "everything is fine" to "we can't recover this, wipe it up" in the span of 10 seconds.

Of course, the best price is zero. Don't pay for carries. Somehow, carries have shed the stigma that they used to have, and now people are openly selling and buying them in zone chat. It's an unfortunate stain on the game.

siddique

Yeah I would personally prefer to do it myself even if I had the gold but I was just amazed at how much more expensive is VCR+3 compared to vhof. -_-

BuddyAces

wishlist14 wrote: »

Wow players have brought carries to eso...this is so wrong on so many levels....not different to bots in my opinion. Just kills the integrity of the game but I guess some people don't care.

It's player exploitation imo.

You may have posted the second dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums.

Goregrinder

wishlist14 wrote: »

Wow players have brought carries to eso...this is so wrong on so many levels....not different to bots in my opinion. Just kills the integrity of the game but I guess some people don't care.

It's player exploitation imo.

Two players exchanging goods or services in a consenting transaction...is paying someone to mow your lawn exploitation? Or hiring someone to do your taxes? How about going to a doctor when you have a medical problem, are you exploiting the doctor's skill and experience?

Mitrenga

wishlist14 wrote: »

Wow players have brought carries to eso...this is so wrong on so many levels....not different to bots in my opinion. Just kills the integrity of the game but I guess some people don't care.

It's player exploitation imo.

Carry was here since day 1. People paid for Emperor runs, trials, titles...
There were just not many rich people around. Game is aged and people got shiny gold, so...
Other players started to feel the carry runs are a thing.

acw37162

If you could guarantee gold perfected relequin and sorira its a bargain.

Granted a bargain I can’t afford but a bargain non the less.

siddique

Not that much of a difference between perfected and non perfected siroria though.

zaria

Runefang wrote: »

wishlist14 wrote: »

Wow players have brought carries to eso...this is so wrong on so many levels....not different to bots in my opinion. Just kills the integrity of the game but I guess some people don't care.

It's player exploitation imo.

It's nothing to do with WoW.

It's not player exploitation. I know of players who are 'casual' and just wandering around questing, crafting, harvesting, outfitting etc and have done so for years. They have 20 million+ gold and if they decide they like the look of a skin they'd happily pay to get it because they'll never get it any other way.

This vMoL skin runs almost as old as MoL itself.

MartiniDaniels

When I heard a word "carry" (other then that XP grind), I just wanna burp. I mean this is game, why you need to pay to not play it's high end content? Really just for cosmetics? Don't make me laugh.

RogueShark

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

When I heard a word "carry" (other then that XP grind), I just wanna burp. I mean this is game, why you need to pay to not play it's high end content? Really just for cosmetics? Don't make me laugh.

Some people have no interest in that facet of the game, but they like the cosmetic rewards. If they want to pay to get them instead of spending the time to form or get into a solid group to clear, what's the issue? People who have learned the content can make gold off of it, and the person who has zero interest outside of cosmetic rewards (or gear) can obtain it with funds from parts of the game they do enjoy.

Win/win.

Casterial

siddique wrote: »

So, someone was selling carries today and I thought I'd inquire about how much gold it costs.

VMoL was like a million gold whereas VHoF was 2.5mil. I asked about VCR+3 and that was for 12 million!

Now I wouldn't buy carries nor do I have any issues with people who want to buy or sell them, but 12 million? Is vcr+3 that much more difficult than vhof? I thought it takes less than half the time.

The PVE guilds are a joke, I'll help carry you to emp for 15mil lol jk. Just earn it. Don't pay for shi* carries, this is was my rule in WoW

Cpt_Teemo

Mitrenga wrote: »

wishlist14 wrote: »

Wow players have brought carries to eso...this is so wrong on so many levels....not different to bots in my opinion. Just kills the integrity of the game but I guess some people don't care.

It's player exploitation imo.

Carry was here since day 1. People paid for Emperor runs, trials, titles...
There were just not many rich people around. Game is aged and people got shiny gold, so...
Other players started to feel the carry runs are a thing.

I spent 17m on maxing JC on 15 chars instead, doh oh well

thorwyn

When I heard a word "carry" (other then that XP grind), I just wanna burp. I mean this is game, why you need to pay to not play it's high end content? Really just for cosmetics? Don't make me laugh.

You are entitled to laugh of course, but there are people out there who are doing this kind of stuff for exactly that purpose: the cosmetics. This is a MMO RPG and some folks care about the aesthetics, the skins, the outfit and what not. And if that is what floats their boat, who cares?

MartiniDaniels

RogueShark wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

When I heard a word "carry" (other then that XP grind), I just wanna burp. I mean this is game, why you need to pay to not play it's high end content? Really just for cosmetics? Don't make me laugh.

Some people have no interest in that facet of the game, but they like the cosmetic rewards. If they want to pay to get them instead of spending the time to form or get into a solid group to clear, what's the issue? People who have learned the content can make gold off of it, and the person who has zero interest outside of cosmetic rewards (or gear) can obtain it with funds from parts of the game they do enjoy.

Win/win.

I have nothing against those who provides and sells this. I simply don't understand people who buy it in games. 12 millions of gold it's a lot. Of course anybody can accumulate this over time, but this is so much time spend grinding, so much time lost IRL. For what? For skin which player doesn't earned? Of even worse, for title?
Though I may understand gear runs for vDSA/vBRP/vAS - that gear gives notable advantage in PVP, and it make take very long time to get that gear naturally.

ShadowKyuubi

I've always had mixed emotions about people being carried through a trial. On one side, I absolutely hate it. It demeans the amount of time and work I put into my own progression groups. Taking several months to clear one trial and finally getting that skin. There are few better feelings than that.

On the other side, I understand why people want the carries. They are simply incapable of doing the required DPS, Healing, or Tanking. It doesn't matter how much they practice, they simply can't do it. The fact that they are punished by ZoS for not being good enough to get a skin is unfair. So carries are a way around that, simply work hard at making money, and you can eventually get what you wanted.

I may not like bought carries, but I understand that they are a necessity to help keep the peace, so to speak.

RogueShark

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

RogueShark wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

When I heard a word "carry" (other then that XP grind), I just wanna burp. I mean this is game, why you need to pay to not play it's high end content? Really just for cosmetics? Don't make me laugh.

Some people have no interest in that facet of the game, but they like the cosmetic rewards. If they want to pay to get them instead of spending the time to form or get into a solid group to clear, what's the issue? People who have learned the content can make gold off of it, and the person who has zero interest outside of cosmetic rewards (or gear) can obtain it with funds from parts of the game they do enjoy.

Win/win.

I have nothing against those who provides and sells this. I simply don't understand people who buy it in games. 12 millions of gold it's a lot. Of course anybody can accumulate this over time, but this is so much time spend grinding, so much time lost IRL. For what? For skin which player doesn't earned? Of even worse, for title?
Though I may understand gear runs for vDSA/vBRP/vAS - that gear gives notable advantage in PVP, and it make take very long time to get that gear naturally.

You could also say people who spend time progressing the content are wasting IRL time. Playing the game at all, you could say is wasting IRL time.
It's not. It's a game for fun and entertainment. Farming might be what someone enjoys. Fishing, resource gathering, or even buying and selling... playing the market.
So, again: they are spending their game time on content they DO enjoy and using the gold from that to buy skins or whatever they want.