About the cost of carries

lassitershawn

If anyone wants a vAS or vCR HM carry on PC NA send me a mail ingame @lassitershawn or over discord lassitershawn#6133.

RodneyRegis

And more to the point, there are plenty of people who farm gold and make millions a week flipping the market, but that takes all their time so they don't do trials or any sort of combat. I don't think anyone is going to spend 3 years grinding to 9m gold just to buy a VCR carry. Supply and demand.

ATomiX96

wishlist14 wrote: »

Wow players have brought carries to eso...this is so wrong on so many levels....not different to bots in my opinion. Just kills the integrity of the game but I guess some people don't care.

It's player exploitation imo.

Definitly, wow is the root of all evil and bad things that has happened to ESO, im sure you can also find some correlation between the *** server performance for almost 2 years now and wow, if you just try hard enough.
/sarcasm (excluding the *** performance part)

MartiniDaniels

ATomiX96 wrote: »

wishlist14 wrote: »

Wow players have brought carries to eso...this is so wrong on so many levels....not different to bots in my opinion. Just kills the integrity of the game but I guess some people don't care.

It's player exploitation imo.

Definitly, wow is the root of all evil and bad things that has happened to ESO, im sure you can also find some correlation between the *** server performance for almost 2 years now and wow, it you just try hard enough.
/sarcasm (excluding the *** performance part)

Obviously if Blizzard didn't showed everybody that complex multiplayer game can be stable and run as clock 20 years ago, it will be much easier for today's devs to tell that "it's MMO what do you want".

wishlist14

I obviously need to explain my comment further. I call selling carries exploitation of other players simply because those players are locked out of that content for ....reasons. Nothing should lock players out. There should be ways for players to improve and do all content imo.

Not everyone crafts so crafters sell their crafted gear etc but....and yes i say but...anyone can craft. Crafting is not too difficult for any player to do. Many players choose not to craft and many say they are simply too lazy to craft gear. That is reasonable. But to have to buy carries because ...let's face it...it's not time that is the issue but really how difficult it is for many players. That means the players that are selling carries for l9ads of gold are doing it because they can do the content and not only get their own rewards but also make gold from other players. I bet some of these guys also craft.


How many players have 20 million ? Not your average player no. I don't follow the crowd and yes I think outside the crowd perhaps that is why my ideas seem so odd...or just how I view things. I just like things to be fair for everyone.

Let's buy skins, skyshards heck you know what why dont we just pay someone to play eso for us aye? Excuse me while I go make a very long list of things we can buy...heck everything. Gold or crowns?

WuffyCerulei

vMoL and vHoF are easier for vet trial peeps than vCR+3, especially vMoL. You can bring the buyer in on the last boss in the first two, which means they’ll have a full experienced raid group for the first few bosses. And these groups can sail through them with ease. vCR+3 tho, a lot more is going on. Buyer has to be there the whole time. There’s many more mechanics going on than the other 2 trials. It’s hectic. And a lot of effort.

Zaketh

RogueShark wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

When I heard a word "carry" (other then that XP grind), I just wanna burp. I mean this is game, why you need to pay to not play it's high end content? Really just for cosmetics? Don't make me laugh.

Some people have no interest in that facet of the game, but they like the cosmetic rewards. If they want to pay to get them instead of spending the time to form or get into a solid group to clear, what's the issue? People who have learned the content can make gold off of it, and the person who has zero interest outside of cosmetic rewards (or gear) can obtain it with funds from parts of the game they do enjoy.

Win/win.

I don't think the poster you quoted has an issue with it, per se; just that it's a headscratcher for some of us

Chaos2088

Or don’t be lazy, learn how to play the game and do the content.

Cpt_Teemo

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Or don’t be lazy, learn how to play the game and do the content.

Or make gold and buy everything

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

siddique wrote: »

So, someone was selling carries today and I thought I'd inquire about how much gold it costs.

VMoL was like a million gold whereas VHoF was 2.5mil. I asked about VCR+3 and that was for 12 million!

Now I wouldn't buy carries nor do I have any issues with people who want to buy or sell them, but 12 million? Is vcr+3 that much more difficult than vhof? I thought it takes less than half the time.

cheap prices there but im ok with it...as long as im the carrier >:3

siddique

Just saw some website claiming to give carries including all drops from all 11 players to the person carried for 250 USD. Now I'm not even sure if thats allowed or not

WrathOfInnos

siddique wrote: »

Just saw some website claiming to give carries including all drops from all 11 players to the person carried for 250 USD. Now I'm not even sure if thats allowed or not

That is definitely not allowed. Real money trading is against the ToS.

IzzyStardust

code65536 wrote: »

vCR +3 is faster than vHoF, but it's a lot more unforgiving, and thus, harder.

With vHoF, all you really need are a pair of decent tanks, and you can drag pretty much any somewhat competent group through. It'll probably take a while, but the fights are pretty recoverable if mistakes are made.

With vCR +3, mistakes are a lot less tolerable, because it's possible for a mistake to domino into a wipe very fast. You can go from "everything is fine" to "we can't recover this, wipe it up" in the span of 10 seconds.

Of course, the best price is zero. Don't pay for carries. Somehow, carries have shed the stigma that they used to have, and now people are openly selling and buying them in zone chat. It's an unfortunate stain on the game.

I am apathetic about it other than: what’s the main thing we use as checks other than dps? Clears.

Therefore - people who buy a carry and are slotted in the carry as a dps but who main a healer or tank so have to show clears to get into some groups or if they’re new to that guild, they can use that clear as proof because they can bring any char to the carry.

Again, I’m not sure if it’s a big deal because ability will become obvious pretty quickly, but it’s a shame to have to set up a group to go wipe for an evening because healer or tank or offtank doesn’t actually know what to do.

I am probably overthinking it.

All in all, I don’t personally like it and will not do it, but I’m apathetic as to whether or not others do it.

anitajoneb17_ESO

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

Just saw some website claiming to give carries including all drops from all 11 players to the person carried for 250 USD. Now I'm not even sure if thats allowed or not

That is definitely not allowed. Real money trading is against the ToS.

In theory, yes. But, since you can legally exchange real life money for crowns (that's called buying crowns) and then exchange said crowns legally for gold (that's called crown store gifting) you have a perfectly legal bridge to do that.
Considering that 1 crown is currently rated at more or less 350 gold, and 250 USD are more or less 30K crowns, that makes the run for 9.5K gold... so quite consistent with the amount mentioned by the OP.

WrathOfInnos

IzzyStardust wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

vCR +3 is faster than vHoF, but it's a lot more unforgiving, and thus, harder.

With vHoF, all you really need are a pair of decent tanks, and you can drag pretty much any somewhat competent group through. It'll probably take a while, but the fights are pretty recoverable if mistakes are made.

With vCR +3, mistakes are a lot less tolerable, because it's possible for a mistake to domino into a wipe very fast. You can go from "everything is fine" to "we can't recover this, wipe it up" in the span of 10 seconds.

Of course, the best price is zero. Don't pay for carries. Somehow, carries have shed the stigma that they used to have, and now people are openly selling and buying them in zone chat. It's an unfortunate stain on the game.

I am apathetic about it other than: what’s the main thing we use as checks other than dps? Clears.

Therefore - people who buy a carry and are slotted in the carry as a dps but who main a healer or tank so have to show clears to get into some groups or if they’re new to that guild, they can use that clear as proof because they can bring any char to the carry.

Again, I’m not sure if it’s a big deal because ability will become obvious pretty quickly, but it’s a shame to have to set up a group to go wipe for an evening because healer or tank or offtank doesn’t actually know what to do.

I am probably overthinking it.

All in all, I don’t personally like it and will not do it, but I’m apathetic as to whether or not others do it.

Fair points. IMO this would be solved by returning trial gear to bind on equip, then raiders could make gold selling it to others without them needing to be on the run. The number of carries would go way down if they were having to pay those sums just for a skin and title, and these things would retain more of their meaning. Most people seem to just want the gear anyway.

Until then, if I want to sell some Perfect Relequen or an Asylum Inferno Staff, the only way to do that is to bring the buyer through the trial.

Cpt_Teemo

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

Just saw some website claiming to give carries including all drops from all 11 players to the person carried for 250 USD. Now I'm not even sure if thats allowed or not

That is definitely not allowed. Real money trading is against the ToS.

In theory, yes. But, since you can legally exchange real life money for crowns (that's called buying crowns) and then exchange said crowns legally for gold (that's called crown store gifting) you have a perfectly legal bridge to do that.
Considering that 1 crown is currently rated at more or less 350 gold, and 250 USD are more or less 30K crowns, that makes the run for 9.5K gold... so quite consistent with the amount mentioned by the OP.

The group wasn't looking for crowns though they wanted irl $ not crowns

DaveMoeDee

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

When I heard a word "carry" (other then that XP grind), I just wanna burp. I mean this is game, why you need to pay to not play it's high end content? Really just for cosmetics? Don't make me laugh.

Since I have not real interest in anything cosmetic, I do find it a bit much. But, whatever. People can enjoy the game however they like.

I would find any rewards received from being carried a mark of shame and I would lose a lot of self respect in the moment. But, whatever. I have no problem with people doing this if of their own choice.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

siddique wrote: »

Just saw some website claiming to give carries including all drops from all 11 players to the person carried for 250 USD. Now I'm not even sure if thats allowed or not

That will definitely get an account (or perhaps 12 accounts) banned.

As to the price, well, VMOL carry is easy. VHOF carry is a bit trickier, VCR+3 Carry takes 11 people that really know what they are doing. 12 mil sounds steep, but I bet that number is open to haggling. Haha.

I mean I get it. I helped sell a fair amount of VMOL carries a while back. Progression raiding is an expensive pastime in this game. If a crafter can sell gear, I dont see why a good PVE team cant sell carries (as long as you keep RL money out of it, and everyone keeps their hands on their own controls).

anitajoneb17_ESO

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

The group wasn't looking for crowns though they wanted irl $ not crowns

It's not hard to exchange gold back into irl $. I personally wouldn't know how in details, because I don't need it, but I know it does exist plenty. And yes, that part is illegal, but it's there.

But my point was merely to compare the irl $ price with the gold price. Not to discuss the legality of it. I was just curious how fluent those markets were amongst each other, and it appears that they are, because the prices are consistent.

Kalgert

Well, you know what they say...

A fool's gold is easily parted, and parasites exist everywhere to take advantage of said fool.

Heelie

The player base that can consistently carry vCR+3 is an ever smaller group of people, hense it has had a consitent price of more than 10 million for over a year. Pretty much anyone with more than 10 IQ and propper gear can clear HoF, so a carry run in there is more just compensation for the time spent, often around half an hour.

Raisin

But we must ask ourselves: Was this worth the necro?

Alienoutlaw

your not just paying for the carry, your paying for 11 ppl to take you through content you cant do normally or with your guild/friends, 12mil may sound like alot buts it only 1mil each for the team that will take you through until its done, no rage quits, no complaining about bad tanks or healers or your lack of dps, and you get a skin/title and loot. it takes time to put a group together that can carry, it takes hours of practise running end game content with (for dungeon runs which i currently do) 3 players co-ordinating for speed, no death and hard modes. you pay for that time and effort.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Raisin wrote: »

But we must ask ourselves: Was this worth the necro?

Yes... 🧐

FierceSam

I guess all those selling carries aren’t the players saying skins should be about achievements.

Selling skins kind of makes them a bit... soiled.

Although, that said I know I’ve sometimes been the least contributory player in a vDoM run. But not sure if that counts as a carry.

Alienoutlaw

FierceSam wrote: »

I guess all those selling carries aren’t the players saying skins should be about achievements.

Selling skins kind of makes them a bit... soiled.

Although, that said I know I’ve sometimes been the least contributory player in a vDoM run. But not sure if that counts as a carry.

i sell carries to those that want to pay for my time, for some players its just to get something done they cant do with a guild/friends or a pug, other its just they want the cosmetics. its only soiled if they go on to pass off as an experienced player but thats on them not me or others that provide the same services

TheGreatBlackBear

Selling carries have gotten easier with the increase in dps. If the buyer isn't a total idiot it's quite possible that they get an IR or GH thrown in for free with their skin. I've sold two accidental IRs while selling the skin. Some lucky guy almost got GH too but the hoarfrost synergy bugged out.

furiouslog

The only thing bad about this is when a player pays for a carry and then uses the achievement as proof of clear to join vet pug groups. They end up being terrible and waste everyone's time. If you're getting the skin or mount or whatever, that's cool. But don't think a carry entitles you to tell everyone you cleared that content. You didn't.

Alienoutlaw

furiouslog wrote: »

The only thing bad about this is when a player pays for a carry and then uses the achievement as proof of clear to join vet pug groups. They end up being terrible and waste everyone's time. If you're getting the skin or mount or whatever, that's cool. But don't think a carry entitles you to tell everyone you cleared that content. You didn't.

not unless you show everyone the price ticket

FrancisCrawford

Buying a title just seems wrong.

Buying gear doesn't seem much different from other ways to pay for gear or to trade favors for help in getting gear.