Stamina curse

TheValar85

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Show me a strong 1vX where a stamsorc can get kills in quick succession, not using DW spin2win like a scrub. Ill wait..

Youtube and google is your friend, there are tons of guides how to make a strong stam sorc. And they are indeed very powerful.

Chilly-McFreeze

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Please read more carefully. Most of us aren't asking for straight buffs, we're asking for something that sets us apart from the "all weapon, no class" approach we're forced into now.

psychotic13

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Show me a strong 1vX where a stamsorc can get kills in quick succession, not using DW spin2win like a scrub. Ill wait..

Youtube and google is your friend, there are tons of guides how to make a strong stam sorc. And they are indeed very powerful.

Why are people so naive? Ive mained stamsorc since day. I know what theyre good and what theyre lacking. But in comparison to other classes you cant believe they're on par.

TheValar85

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Please read more carefully. Most of us aren't asking for straight buffs, we're asking for something that sets us apart from the "all weapon, no class" approach we're forced into now.

I did. and i still say no.

TheValar85

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Show me a strong 1vX where a stamsorc can get kills in quick succession, not using DW spin2win like a scrub. Ill wait..

Youtube and google is your friend, there are tons of guides how to make a strong stam sorc. And they are indeed very powerful.

Why are people so naive? Ive mained stamsorc since day. I know what theyre good and what theyre lacking. But in comparison to other classes you cant believe they're on par.

Oh yes definetly, on par. but still it hase nothing to do with being navive or waht so ever my friend. stam sorcerers can be unstopable forces on the battle fields. What i see here now it is probably a l2p issue here, ineasted of a class issue unless you can proove everyone we are wrong about that.

psychotic13

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Show me a strong 1vX where a stamsorc can get kills in quick succession, not using DW spin2win like a scrub. Ill wait..

Youtube and google is your friend, there are tons of guides how to make a strong stam sorc. And they are indeed very powerful.

Why are people so naive? Ive mained stamsorc since day. I know what theyre good and what theyre lacking. But in comparison to other classes you cant believe they're on par.

Oh yes definetly, on par. but still it hase nothing to do with being navive or waht so ever my friend. stam sorcerers can be unstopable forces on the battle fields. What i see here now it is probably a l2p issue here, ineasted of a class issue unless you can proove everyone we are wrong about that.

Ok... you obviously lack the brain capacity and perception to understand. Id have a more productive conversation with a wall.

Theyre not on par by a long shot, no other class is more dependent on weapon skills than stamsorc.

TheValar85

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Show me a strong 1vX where a stamsorc can get kills in quick succession, not using DW spin2win like a scrub. Ill wait..

Youtube and google is your friend, there are tons of guides how to make a strong stam sorc. And they are indeed very powerful.

Why are people so naive? Ive mained stamsorc since day. I know what theyre good and what theyre lacking. But in comparison to other classes you cant believe they're on par.

Oh yes definetly, on par. but still it hase nothing to do with being navive or waht so ever my friend. stam sorcerers can be unstopable forces on the battle fields. What i see here now it is probably a l2p issue here, ineasted of a class issue unless you can proove everyone we are wrong about that.

Ok... you obviously lack the brain capacity and perception to understand. Id have a more productive conversation with a wall.

Theyre not on par by a long shot, no other class is more dependent on weapon skills than stamsorc.

So what? you want a hybrid stam sroc? Stamina builds are MENT to be mele oriented at most points omg now who is lacking brain capacaty? nonsense.

psychotic13

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Show me a strong 1vX where a stamsorc can get kills in quick succession, not using DW spin2win like a scrub. Ill wait..

Youtube and google is your friend, there are tons of guides how to make a strong stam sorc. And they are indeed very powerful.

Why are people so naive? Ive mained stamsorc since day. I know what theyre good and what theyre lacking. But in comparison to other classes you cant believe they're on par.

Oh yes definetly, on par. but still it hase nothing to do with being navive or waht so ever my friend. stam sorcerers can be unstopable forces on the battle fields. What i see here now it is probably a l2p issue here, ineasted of a class issue unless you can proove everyone we are wrong about that.

Ok... you obviously lack the brain capacity and perception to understand. Id have a more productive conversation with a wall.

Theyre not on par by a long shot, no other class is more dependent on weapon skills than stamsorc.

So what? you want a hybrid stam sroc? Stamina builds are MENT to be mele oriented at most points omg now who is lacking brain capacaty? nonsense.

You are clearly as you dont read. Who said anything about a hybrid? (I do have one though, and if you happen to be on Xbox EU come duel me and ill use a hybrid, youll pipe down then)

Stamina builds are ment to be melee orientated and have no range is that so?
Then why is a bow in the game?
Stamwarden birds?
Javelin?
PotL?
Relentless Focus?
New Necro skill?
Silver leash?

Yeah pipe down you made yourself look stupid enough now.

TheValar85

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Show me a strong 1vX where a stamsorc can get kills in quick succession, not using DW spin2win like a scrub. Ill wait..

Youtube and google is your friend, there are tons of guides how to make a strong stam sorc. And they are indeed very powerful.

Why are people so naive? Ive mained stamsorc since day. I know what theyre good and what theyre lacking. But in comparison to other classes you cant believe they're on par.

Oh yes definetly, on par. but still it hase nothing to do with being navive or waht so ever my friend. stam sorcerers can be unstopable forces on the battle fields. What i see here now it is probably a l2p issue here, ineasted of a class issue unless you can proove everyone we are wrong about that.

Ok... you obviously lack the brain capacity and perception to understand. Id have a more productive conversation with a wall.

Theyre not on par by a long shot, no other class is more dependent on weapon skills than stamsorc.

So what? you want a hybrid stam sroc? Stamina builds are MENT to be mele oriented at most points omg now who is lacking brain capacaty? nonsense.

You are clearly as you dont read. Who said anything about a hybrid? (I do have one though, and if you happen to be on Xbox EU come duel me and ill use a hybrid, youll pipe down then)

Stamina builds are ment to be melee orientated and have no range is that so?
Then why is a bow in the game?
Stamwarden birds?
Javelin?
PotL?
Relentless Focus?
New warden Necro skill?

Yeah pipe down you made yourself look stupid enough now.

Now who is not reading? I you quoted me but you forgot three tiny words: (At most point) That dosent ment you have to be and i still say stam sorcerers are good enough without any curse change. And btw im not playing on Xbox. PC master racer sorry, so i have to cancel that Duelign date my love. but thank you.

Galarthor

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Can you stop with this "best of both world" nonsense"? It makes you look like a self centric. Do you ramble about stamblades using cloak and many skills that magblades have access to too? Do you complain about Race against Time cutting deep into mobility terrain while a short while ago the devs stated that "good mobility is something you should heavily invest in to archieve" and always was one of the main selling points of going stam over magicka? Do you complain about the rise of ranged stam dps builds while it should be magicka that has the ranged edge? I don't think so.

Oh you mean the cloak that cost magicka? Great example ...

I have mixed feeling about Race against Time. On the one hand, mobility should be mainly a medium armor stamina thing. On the other hand snares and roots are completely out of control. In addition, most stamina builds are actually heavy armor builds and as such cannot claim the right to be granted the best mobility in the game. In fact heavy armor builds should have the least amount of mobility! Stamina gets Mobility without having to sacirfice a bar slot, that already puts them ahead of magicka, even in Heavy Armor.

There is no reason why either magicka nor stamina should be confined to either melee or ranged DPS.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Then on to the pet dilemma. With NBs now effectively having stam scaling pets, wardens and necromancers too, I doubt that it would give them much uniqueness. It really seems to me like the reason why you want to take pets (completely ?) away from magsorcs and change them to a "stam sorc thing" is because you don't like them on your magsorc. Oh, right:

Galarthor wrote: »

3) they are not really taking away anything from magSorcs, as most magSorcs don't want to run pets but rather throw spells

And using the same skills as magSorcs just costing stamina is giving you uniqueness? Your pets would be a completely different kind of pets than those of necros, NBs, and to some extent wardens. That's far more unique than copying magicka skills and just have them cost stamina.

As for why I propose to use sorc pets to give stamSorcs identity ... just see above. I already explained it. There aren't many options if you don't just want to copy magSorc core abilities, so you can essentially be a magSorc while retaining all the benefits of being a stam build.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Talking about nitpicking and taking away uniqueness, right? Like I mentioned so many times before, a change must be worth it, if you just dump on us what the magsorc overlords consider "trash", why even having this discussion at all?

There is no reason why it shouldn't be worth it. You essentially get more class skills and as a result buffed - which in and of itself should not happen since stamSorcs are already very strong in PvP.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Also don't you think it's far too harsh to rip away THE magSorc thing completely? We're asking about a single morph of any skill and maybe better suiting passives (for all, not just petSorcs) not about a complete inside-out-turning.

Less harsh than turning magSorcs in the poor man's version of stamSorc, with stamSorcs having all the core abilities of magSorcs PLUS all the nice stuff you get from being stamina build - i.e. mitigation and mobility without sacrificing skill slots that are also not affected by lag. More weapon skill lines. And the everlasting love of one Eric Wrobel - though the value of that might be slightly diminished as of late.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

"and tbh, I don't see stamSorcs throwing around spells as either lore-friendly or marketable."
Well, that's on you. But that's exactly what every other class does as well. That's exactly what was possible in every other TES game - and quit funnily, it's what always made it so much more enjoyable than games with strict archtypes that deemed you to be either a pure spellslinger or a full on weapons-only warrior. There are even people on this forum asking for a complete removal of the class boundaries or for bringing back soft caps so that the hybrid approach becomes viable again. So I don't see how that isn't lore-friendly or marketable.
You know what isn't marketable at all? A class without an archtype. Hurricane and an "wrong dmg type" ultimate, that is what you have to show for as a stam sorc in PvE. Try selling that *** to anyone who played a stamblade, magsorc, necromancer etc.

I don't remember any spells in other TES games that require stamina to cast - aside from some resource exchange maybe. As a battlemage you are a warrior that also uses magicka. You are already free to do so in ESO. But that's not what you want. You want what magSorcs have and what you already got all rolled into one.

As I stayed before, I liked the inital approach of ZOS better where ALL class abilities were magicka based b/c that fits their thematic best. And weapons aside from staves were all stamina based ... again fits their thematic best. But stamina builds, already dominating in PvP keep asking for more and more class abilities to become stamina based.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

"Fourth, Bound Armament perfectly fits in with this new identity and could made into something long lasting (e.g. 30 sec buff) that acutally gives you some benefits (e.g. additional pet damage, damage mitigation, speed, etc. etc. etc.). It could even replace Hurricane as it would be a much better fit thematically."

You've got to be trolling. Replacing Hurricane, the tiny bit of class identity for a buff? Man, now at least you've shown what you're really up to. That would make the "class" even more boring. I can't even comprehend how you can't see that.

All it shows is your lack of imagination and unwillingness to give something up in return for getting stamina morphs for class abilities - just what I have been saying the whole time. You want to cherry pick.

You want a stamina CFrag.
You want a stamina Curse.
You want a stamina Execute, but are fine if you don't get it b/c there are already plenty of better stamina executes out there.

You want all the cherries of magSorcs, but the stuff that is not so great does not necessarily need a stam morph. Instead of taking something and make it your own, so it can be balanced around it's new purpose and give you a new identity.

Why bother with stamSorcs in the first place, if you just want what magSorcs got? Oh wait ... you want to be a magSorc+!

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Tl;dR:
What this "class uniqueness" should be about isn't magSORC vs stamSORC but it should be viewed as what sets any SORC apart from an NB, DK etc.
But instead what you're saying is: take pets away form mag and take Hurricane away from stam. So thanks for your time and your input, but I think we have insurmountable differences on that topic.

So if mag and stam builds of each class should be equal, why bother with distinguishing them? Again, the only reason would be so that stamina builds can have everything magicka builds have while retaining their benefits of being stamian builds.

I suggested replacing Hurricane with Bound Armor b/c that would fit the thematic of a battle mage far better than turning into lightning by flexing you butt cheeks. I'd just place the same or similar effects on Bound Armor as Hurricane currently provides, and maybe some additional ones. With Bound Armor and Pets both being in the Daedric Summoning skill line it'd also be a lot easier to adjust the passives accordingly. But again, that's not what you want. You want to cherry pick!

Faulgor

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Please read more carefully. Most of us aren't asking for straight buffs, we're asking for something that sets us apart from the "all weapon, no class" approach we're forced into now.

I know this has been said many times already (but then what hasn't, we've been asking for stam Sorc buffs since forever), but a focus on weapons would be in line with Sorcerers' lore (being adept in the use of artifacts and enchantments) and would be absolutely fine - if they actually excelled at it. But they don't, they aren't using weapon abilities because they're better with them than anybody else, but because they don't have anything else to use.

What I'd like to see is Bound Armaments turned into true Bound Weapons. Make it an active buff, extend the damage buff from only light attacks to all weapon abilities, give it a cool purple aura or translucency to your weapons, and we're good. The actual magnitude is of course debatable, but it would fit perfectly into the Sorcerer theme and TES lore, be distinct from mag Sorcs, and give stam Sorcs something unique compared to other classes.

Galarthor

Faulgor wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Please read more carefully. Most of us aren't asking for straight buffs, we're asking for something that sets us apart from the "all weapon, no class" approach we're forced into now.

I know this has been said many times already (but then what hasn't, we've been asking for stam Sorc buffs since forever), but a focus on weapons would be in line with Sorcerers' lore (being adept in the use of artifacts and enchantments) and would be absolutely fine - if they actually excelled at it. But they don't, they aren't using weapon abilities because they're better with them than anybody else, but because they don't have anything else to use.

What I'd like to see is Bound Armaments turned into true Bound Weapons. Make it an active buff, extend the damage buff from only light attacks to all weapon abilities, give it a cool purple aura or translucency to your weapons, and we're good. The actual magnitude is of course debatable, but it would fit perfectly into the Sorcerer theme and TES lore, be distinct from mag Sorcs, and give stam Sorcs something unique compared to other classes.

That's actually a good idea as well. And fits perfectly in with what I have been trying to explain to the cherry pickers in here.
It doesn't even have to be an active skill. You could also put something like +5% damage and -5% cost with weapon abilities on Bound Armaments (exact values are debatable), while also moving over the the Major Ward and Resolve from Hurricane, and potentially even the AoE - it all depends on the values of each individual buff in the end.

Chilly-McFreeze

Galarthor wrote: »

And using the same skills as magSorcs just costing stamina is giving you uniqueness? Your pets would be a completely different kind of pets than those of necros, NBs, and to some extent wardens. That's far more unique than copying magicka skills and just have them cost stamina.

As for why I propose to use sorc pets to give stamSorcs identity ... just see above. I already explained it. There aren't many options if you don't just want to copy magSorc core abilities, so you can essentially be a magSorc while retaining all the benefits of being a stam build.

Sure, if you twist it like that it's not copying anymore since you robbed them first. I'm puzzled that your rather strip magsorcs of a core feature than to give stamsorcs access to class skills too, like it's with every other class.

You want a stamina CFrag.
You want a stamina Curse.
You want a stamina Execute, but are fine if you don't get it b/c there are already plenty of better stamina executes out there.

You want all the cherries of magSorcs, but the stuff that is not so great does not necessarily need a stam morph. Instead of taking something and make it your own, so it can be balanced around it's new purpose and give you a new identity.

People asking for something, not for everything. Get that into your head. Even if it doesn't fit your agenda.

C.Blast (not frags), Execute or Curse are just the most fitting to the current stamsorc playstyle (sure, if you rip the whole class apart and turn it upside down like with your pet suggestion it looks different) - curse is just the best fitting through passives and combat potential.
And just to be sure, Curse doesn't have to be 1 to 1 copied. Just a delayed dmg skill would be enough. Doesn't have to be ranged, AoE or double proccing.

The rest goes into spoilers so people don't have to scroll through OT stuff.

Galarthor wrote: »

Oh you mean the cloak that cost magicka? Great example ...

1st Cloak is the trademark and both use it, just like streak, so okay moot point but you conveniently ignore the rest of the sentence "and many skills that magblades have access to too?" Shall we take a look?

What are the core skills that both, stam and mag blades have access to via specific morphs?

• Assasin's blade (execute)
• Teleport Strike (gap closer)
• Grim Focus (proc burst)
• Death Stroke (ultimate)
• Veiled Strike (spam)
• Siphoning Strikes (sustain)
• Drain Power (AoE buff)

While all the great utility sure ends up costing magicka, but is not restricted to magblades bc it isn't used to deal damage

• Cloak
• Fear
• Shades (funnily enough, it's now a skill that scales with wathever resource is higher)
• if you wish you can add blur and mark here

Plus all thepassives have their uses for both sides. Great, this is how a well designed class should look like: accessible to both sides.

I have mixed feeling about Race against Time. On the one hand, mobility should be mainly a medium armor stamina thing. On the other hand snares and roots are completely out of control. In addition, most stamina builds are actually heavy armor builds and as such cannot claim the right to be granted the best mobility in the game. In fact heavy armor builds should have the least amount of mobility! Stamina gets Mobility without having to sacirfice a bar slot, that already puts them ahead of magicka, even in Heavy Armor.

There is no reason why either magicka nor stamina should be confined to either melee or ranged DPS.

I assume you play medium so I don't know why you conceal that to have some kind of survivability (through mobility) you need a snare removal and a source of major expedition. While I can get mEx via bow dodge I need at least 1 slot for snares, be it via Shuffle (short duration) or FM (no burst heal) + not everyone runs a bow so there goes another slot. So you're not quite on point.
However, with the new RaT I can just use that over Shuffle + Bow/Quick Cloak and can use Rally as well. So what's the point in going medium over heavy or magicka at all? If I'd be on about it I'd say: you magsorcs can streak for days, now have snare removal + mEx on demand, can hide behind pets, have great shields and be ranged while not wanting to have any competition even in the own class. But whatever.

I can agree on that range/melee statement. Thing is just that up until shortly competitive ranged dps used to be a magicka thing.

I don't remember any spells in other TES games that require stamina to cast - aside from some resource exchange maybe. As a battlemage you are a warrior that also uses magicka. You are already free to do so in ESO. But that's not what you want. You want what magSorcs have and what you already got all rolled into one.

As I stayed before, I liked the inital approach of ZOS better where ALL class abilities were magicka based b/c that fits their thematic best. And weapons aside from staves were all stamina based ... again fits their thematic best. But stamina builds, already dominating in PvP keep asking for more and more class abilities to become stamina based.

It's not easy to make that little jump in your mind, is it? Jip, older TES games' spells didn't cost stam but they allowed you to use spells as a swordswinger. In the last 5 years you should have noticed that stamina works different in ESO than it does in older parts. Hint: light attacks, heavy attacks, weapon skills.

Chilly-McFreeze

Faulgor wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Realy? :d stam sorc need buufs have you seen a strom stam builds recently guys? they are strong af, they dont need buffs at all. Nor curse morphs.

Please read more carefully. Most of us aren't asking for straight buffs, we're asking for something that sets us apart from the "all weapon, no class" approach we're forced into now.

I know this has been said many times already (but then what hasn't, we've been asking for stam Sorc buffs since forever), but a focus on weapons would be in line with Sorcerers' lore (being adept in the use of artifacts and enchantments) and would be absolutely fine - if they actually excelled at it. But they don't, they aren't using weapon abilities because they're better with them than anybody else, but because they don't have anything else to use.

What I'd like to see is Bound Armaments turned into true Bound Weapons. Make it an active buff, extend the damage buff from only light attacks to all weapon abilities, give it a cool purple aura or translucency to your weapons, and we're good. The actual magnitude is of course debatable, but it would fit perfectly into the Sorcerer theme and TES lore, be distinct from mag Sorcs, and give stam Sorcs something unique compared to other classes.

It would certainly be something. Not interesting since we'd still use the same weapon abilities only + it's rather hard to balance but indeed better that what we currently have. But I'm not really asking for straight buffs, rather something to make the class more interesting.

After all I think that's what Zeni tried to accomplish with the Energized Passive, but we see how that turned out.

Galarthor

@Chilly-McFreeze , I am not gonna quote you here b/c these things turned into monsters by now.

Frags, Curse, Execute are more of a magSorc feature than pets.
Pets would in addition also be lore-friendly and far more unique than a magicka ability just costing stamina.
But I already explained that to you ...

No you don't want every skill (yet), just the good ones that you'd actually use. But that would make you OP - even more than currently. Case in point, you want to get a delayed burst in form of the curse so that you are essentially a stamwarden with a curse instead of Subterreanian Assault ... great class identity there. You just want what is currently most OP in PvP for yourself without rerolling a stamden. You don't want uniqueness / identity, you want OPness.

Also the fact that ZOS screwed up with other classes doesn't make it any better that you want to screw up the sorc class now as well. The extent to which there are stamina equivalents to magicka based class skills is ridiculous. At this point stamina is more like a green magical energy whereas magicka is a blue magical energy. But if they are all magic, why the f*** bother at all with having 2 different resources. Well ... except so that stamina builds can retain inherent benefits over magicka builds (i.e. build-in mitigation & mobility that is not affected by lag, and a great choice of weapons).

You also have to make up your mind.
First to bring up older TES games to substantiate your allegation that spells should be available for stamina. When I point out that this was not the case in the games you brought up, you tell me I should not get hung up on older games ... wtf? Get your story straight!

Chilly-McFreeze

Galarthor wrote: »

Also the fact that ZOS screwed up with other classes doesn't make it any better that you want to screw up the sorc class now as well. The extent to which there are stamina equivalents to magicka based class skills is ridiculous.

Well, it boils down to that why we won't ever come to a consensus. I appreciate your input, really, but we should just agree to disagree. Maybe someone else can further this discussion with an additional PoV as it seems we're running in circles.

E: also

Galarthor wrote: »

No you don't want every skill (yet), just the good ones that you'd actually use.

Of course we ask for a good skill we'd actually use. Why should we ask for anything else?

BRODY

Necro have stamina/mana morphs. All his skills will be NECRO and you use it and you see, it was NECRO skill. But stamsorc not have SORC use/spam skill. Understand, stamsorc have nothing!

Galarthor

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Of course we ask for a good skill we'd actually use. Why should we ask for anything else?

But if you want something because it is currently strong on magicka, it means that this something has to be a copy of the magicka ability, for else it would be something completely different and unknown and thus you'd have no way of telling whether it is good skill or not. Ergo, it is just a stamina copy of a magicka ability.

What I wanted to do was use abilities that are not often used by magSorcs b/c they are either unattractive to them or don't really fit the idea of "throwing around spells", and adapt them to be powerful in the hands of a stamSorc - best example: Bound Armor (whether it only adds some buffs or also turns into an active ability is another story).

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Well, it boils down to that why we won't ever come to a consensus. I appreciate your input, really, but we should just agree to disagree. Maybe someone else can further this discussion with an additional PoV as it seems we're running in circles.

Agreed. We are running in circles here.

ruikkarikun

No.

Pyatra

No. Haunting Curse is the Non-pet MagSorc Meta... which means they would choose to axe Daedric Prey.

cpuScientist

stamSorc and stamPlar are both lacking in terms of passives, stamSorc however is also lacking in terms of class abilities. HOWEVER I do not think curse is the way to go about fixing the class up. Both are unique options for magSorc, and are from different schools of magSorc. Frag Overload and Atro are not. There is a clear mag favorite and only new players who do not know better pick the wrong morphs, it is here that stamSorc needs to get their identity, a melee frag or even a procced range one IDGAF, air Overload for their weaves, and air atro for PvE, and to not be shoehorned into using a mag ultimate.

And while I WOULD LOVE physical curses, it is definitely not the way to go I think stark choices for the magSorc should remain. It helps keep the class fresh, mag needs the most morphs, which is why usually classes even stamNecro which is overloaded with stamMorphs, are still mostly mag with a few of the attack abilities shared.

StamSorc just relies on what every other class has access to dawn spin or dizzy dawn. Every class has that and can add to it, which I just do not see how that is healthy for the longevity of the class. And continued intrest. For those who are invested in that class as its main, it is a hard sell to keep them on board.

rafaelcsmaia

Oof, I see too many insults and aggressiveness, no doubt no one at zos pays attention to this kind of topic