Dubious Cameron Throne & Witch Mother’s Brew nerf

devildog13_93

Sooo the changes to gold food are trash...

If the 15% loss is applied to gold food

Starting 3724 health, 3458 resource

Ending 3165.4 health, 2939.3 resource

Purple food 10%

starting 3511 health 3192 resource

Ending 3159.9 health 2872.8 resource.

Main difference will be health recovery

Delsskia

This is how the zombie apocalypse begins.

Arkangeloski

I already erased it from my hard drive a month ago and no plans on coming back but I still roam in this forum just to see how Zenimax destroys their game with each patch literally at this point it is pure entertainment (the forums atleast bc the game is not) every day people crying about Nerf's and changes lol but how many of you are going to sit here cry and complain to then turn around and buy their newest nerf on demand lol. Until you learn not to feed the beast and let it starve then it will listen... But until then just make room for more Nerf's...but seriously If you don't agree don't buy it don't feed them or give them anymore power, once their sales are in the gutter and investors are angry then this will become a better game because they will please us instead of us pleasing them.

Glory

Edit: Wasn't constructive.

Certain consumables were extremely stat dense, now they are more in line with other consumables.

LiquidPony

Kikke wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nobody asked for this nerf, LOL. Classic ZOS.

Nobody?

A certain class rep has been harping about nerfing these foods for the past 6 months.

Whom? Curious to whom too hate you see.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5976991/#Comment_5976991

John_Falstaff

Glory wrote: »

Edit: Wasn't constructive.

Certain consumables were extremely stat dense, now they are more in line with other consumables.

...right. Only one costs a few dozen gold to make, and the other one will run you 5k gold apiece. I can't shake the feeling that something's fishy about whole that in-line-with-other-consumables thing, wonder what would that be. ^^

Mudcrabber

Nerfing something that's so good it's practically mandatory is understandable. And those foods have an extra advantage of scaling to any level (not really relevant for the gold stuff, since nobody would waste it like that).

I'm far from unaffected, since I just golded my bright-throat jewelry, which makes me committed to Witchmother's Potent Brew or other drinks. This reverses some of the buff I got from the champion point changes in Wrathstone (which made 5-piece bonuses, food, and mundus receive the 20% bonus from CP).

Double Bloody Mara is still an option, which just got a little more attractive. I don't see any stamina drink substitute for Bone Pirate users though, unless Elsweyr's adding some (haven't looked too deeply).

The part I find unreasonable is that the hyper-expensive gold food was nerfed harder than the cheap purple stuff. There's little/no reason to craft the most expensive food now. I wasn't even using it.

Eldartar

ruikkarikun wrote: »

Eldartar wrote: »

Adapt and Overcome, there is always a way instead of whining about it.

Why we must adapt to be more weak each time? Do you guys have some other planet logic? I wonder how many of you want to adapt for decreasing your salary for example. ??? ADAPT!!11

Salaries? We are talking about a GAME ffs! You play the cards you are dealt with, you find an alternative method to claw back what you have lost or you cry at how badly you have been treated and quit.

Pevey

Eldartar wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

Eldartar wrote: »

Adapt and Overcome, there is always a way instead of whining about it.

Why we must adapt to be more weak each time? Do you guys have some other planet logic? I wonder how many of you want to adapt for decreasing your salary for example. ??? ADAPT!!11

Salaries? We are talking about a GAME ffs! You play the cards you are dealt with, you find an alternative method to claw back what you have lost or you cry at how badly you have been treated and quit.

I think this change should be reverted. If anything, I always thought purple food and drinks should provide MORE base stats to be in balance considering their purple rarity level.

But the mentioning of devs working for their salary is laughable. They already adapt to low salaries. Game devs notoriously make low salaries for the very long hours they put in. It is a labor of love. However much we might disagree with certain changes, they are not made because the devs don't care and are 9-5ing it. They do care, or they would be doing something more lucrative with their skills.

Splattercat_83

ruikkarikun wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nobody asked for this nerf, LOL. Classic ZOS.

Nobody?

A certain class rep has been harping about nerfing these foods for the past 6 months.

No wonder. They want to kill the game. We need to shut down it.

Which ever one it was is a total fuckstick.

Twohothardware

It’s a 12% nerf, not 50% and the Recovery portion isn’t touched. Chill out.

It won’t make any noticeable difference in PvP and in PvE it was likely done because thanks to the previous Race changes that went from percentages to a flat amount of bonus health it made it possible to hit the health requirement for PvE content with the drinks and get that big bonus to Recovery. There isn’t much point in running the slightly higher max stat blue food then because the extra recovery helps DPS more.

All this likely does is revert the status quo to where it was before the recent Race changes when it comes to choosing the purple drinks vs blue food.

Mayrael

Twohothardware wrote: »

It’s a 12% nerf, not 50% and the Recovery portion isn’t touched. Chill out.

It won’t make any noticeable difference in PvP and in PvE it was likely done because thanks to the previous Race changes that went from percentages to a flat amount of bonus health it made it possible to hit the health requirement for PvE content with the drinks and get that big bonus to Recovery. There isn’t much point in running the slightly higher max stat blue food then because the extra recovery helps DPS more.

All this likely does is revert the status quo to where it was before the recent Race changes when it comes to choosing the purple drinks vs blue food.

Then change the perfect roe ingredient to frozen miriam in gold food. Nobody will run 4k gold per unit food if it won't be better than 40 gold per piece food.

Twohothardware

Mayrael wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

It’s a 12% nerf, not 50% and the Recovery portion isn’t touched. Chill out.

It won’t make any noticeable difference in PvP and in PvE it was likely done because thanks to the previous Race changes that went from percentages to a flat amount of bonus health it made it possible to hit the health requirement for PvE content with the drinks and get that big bonus to Recovery. There isn’t much point in running the slightly higher max stat blue food then because the extra recovery helps DPS more.

All this likely does is revert the status quo to where it was before the recent Race changes when it comes to choosing the purple drinks vs blue food.

Then change the perfect roe ingredient to frozen miriam in gold food. Nobody will run 4k gold per unit food if it won't be better than 40 gold per piece food.

Nobody was running gold food before anyway. Outside of the three or four people who will post here saying they did. They need to come up with other buffs for gold food besides flat stat bonuses.

Lady_Rosabella

@Twohothardware
That's funny been watching Alcast stream for a few hours with over 3500 current viewers and several people, not "three or four" people were discussing the gold foods and if it will be worth them to continue to run it. Even Alcast runs Gold food as well as most of his builds list them to run. Make sure you have your numbers right before making claims that only three or four people use Gold food.

Lord_Eomer

Another nerf to sustain is worst,

ZOS taking ESO sustain in weird direction!

Parrot1986

I’ve lost c.230 magicka and health. 100% this isn’t going to make or break my build.

Agree it’s a strange nerf to throw in but it’s not that impactful.

Lady_Rosabella

Vapirko wrote: »

BlackMadara wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

It's just a loss of ~200 health and ~200 magicka/stamina.

Witchmother's gives 3191 health and magicka. A 12% decrease is about 393 of each stat. That is base. You will further lose stat based on attribute multipliers, such as undaunted, mage's guild, and cp passives. This is a rather substantial nerf.

@Parrot1986 As someone else pointed out there are others things to consider in this nerf to purple and gold foods.

ruikkarikun

LiquidPony wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nobody asked for this nerf, LOL. Classic ZOS.

Nobody?

A certain class rep has been harping about nerfing these foods for the past 6 months.

Whom? Curious to whom too hate you see.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5976991/#Comment_5976991

Expected lol.

susniand

ruikkarikun wrote: »

and now it will be MORE LESS? FOR WHAT?

wtf is wrong with you?

Pevey

Parrot1986 wrote: »

I’ve lost c.230 magicka and health. 100% this isn’t going to make or break my build.

Agree it’s a strange nerf to throw in but it’s not that impactful.

This is probably a bug. The current PTS patch does not match what is in the patch notes.

Also, do we get to vote on class reps at any point? If this is something that came about as a result of a class rep, I have serious concerns about our representation. People will often disagree on things, some decisions will be controversial, but this one is just unambiguously bad.

AuraNebula

They want to nerf purple and gold food, that's fine (not really) But make the ingredients cheaper, like blue food. Clockwork is expensive, what's the point of spending time fishing, or buying roe for something that is just okay?

Lady_Rosabella

Twohothardware

Lady_Rosabella wrote: »

@Twohothardware
That's funny been watching Alcast stream for a few hours with over 3500 current viewers and several people, not "three or four" people were discussing the gold foods and if it will be worth them to continue to run it. Even Alcast runs Gold food as well as most of his builds list them to run. Make sure you have your numbers right before making claims that only three or four people use Gold food.

Alcast is a streamer with infinite gold. Him and and a handful of min maxers is exactly what I meant by the representation of 3 or 4 people would chime in here about how they run it all the time.

The difference between Artaeum Takeaway Broth and Dubious Cameron Throne is 532 health, 266 stamina, and 351 health recovery and it costs like 4K per serving. The vast majority of the ESO player base is not running gold food. Ever.

Runefang

Twohothardware wrote: »

Lady_Rosabella wrote: »

@Twohothardware
That's funny been watching Alcast stream for a few hours with over 3500 current viewers and several people, not "three or four" people were discussing the gold foods and if it will be worth them to continue to run it. Even Alcast runs Gold food as well as most of his builds list them to run. Make sure you have your numbers right before making claims that only three or four people use Gold food.

Alcast is a streamer with infinite gold. Him and and a handful of min maxers is exactly what I meant by the representation of 3 or 4 people would chime in here about how they run it all the time.

The difference between Artaeum Takeaway Broth and Dubious Cameron Throne is 532 health, 266 stamina, and 351 health recovery and it costs like 4K per serving. The vast majority of the ESO player base is not running gold food. Ever.

So a food/drink that few people are using (mostly due to rarity/price) is now even less likely to be used?

I mean, come on, who cares how many people run it? It's gold, it's expensive and therefore should be the best. It's used by players who completing the toughest content in the game, which is naturally few players given the casual/single player nature of the player base.

Of course all min-maxers will continue to use it if it's still the best despite the nerf, but it seems like a silly change.

SydneyGrey

I already don't use them, because blue food works nicely for my characters, and they made the purple food worse? Hmmm ... well, no point in using them at all, now.

Elsonso

Twohothardware wrote: »

Nobody was running gold food before anyway. Outside of the three or four people who will post here saying they did. They need to come up with other buffs for gold food besides flat stat bonuses.

Yeah, but they haven't. Instead, they narrowed the gap between purple and gold food.

Wildberryjack

The truth is they never should have made any scalable food items to begin with because they are way superior to level-limited foods. But they did, that cat is out of the bag, the barn door is open. It's too late to try to "fix" this now, just don't make any more new scalable foods. Nerfing the current ones won't stop everyone from choosing them though because they are still superior. This is pointless and won't achieve their goal of prompting us to choose other foods.

ruikkarikun

susniand wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

and now it will be MORE LESS? FOR WHAT?

wtf is wrong with you?

Enjoy nerfs and adapt, be slave.

usmcjdking

I can almost guarantee this change occurred because of racial interactions. Races like Breton, Argonian and Redguard were non-competitive because Gold Food essentially invalidated them. Now, this change doesn't validate them, but it does make them more attractive. Races that had zero reason to run Gold Food in PVE now have a distinct stat advantage over those that do have a reason to run it - more max HP and deeper stats.

Much needed nerf IMO.

mikemacon

Looks like you’ll need to swap in a few HAs for sustain - the way the devs always intended.

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