Dubious Cameron Throne & Witch Mother’s Brew nerf

Alucardo · April 2019

Their reasoning was because other foods/drinks didn't look as appealing, so they nerfed the top picks. What I'm wondering is why didn't they just buff the crappy ones, like increase their stats or give them unique bonuses.
Lazy move as always ZOS. Just remove some numbers and call it a day as usual.

highkingnm · April 2019

ruikkarikun wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
And so on. Why the hell nerf max health and stamina?
We have bad sustain with blue food both pve/pvp on the most classes, what is the point, logic, when this nerf machine will finally kill the game?
Buff other aspects, fix them, find alternative, give other options BUT YOU JUST NERF AND NERF GG NICE JOB.

Nerfing two food items will kill the game?

I also love the ‘finally’, as though it is in its dying days and not at its commercial peak.

Cinbri · April 2019

Alucardo wrote: »

Their reasoning was because other foods/drinks didn't look as appealing, so they nerfed the top picks. What I'm wondering is why didn't they just buff the crappy ones, like increase their stats or give them unique bonuses.
Lazy move as always ZOS. Just remove some numbers and call it a day as usual.

Reason was because some known PvErs where unhappy how those consumables bit better(and thus bis in PvE) than other types. So zos agreed to nerf it strictly coz PvE reasons, completely ignoring it's already equal usefulness in noCP PvP while
being overshadowed on CP PvP (coz addition of consumables scaling) by tristat consumables.

DarkPicture · April 2019

You will only lose 380 hp so its nothing after when they buffed cp by 20%. On ma Sorc now i have 15,6k hp and after "nerfs" I will have 15,3k what is still better before buffs cp where I had only 15,1k hp

If u still have problem with that just run 1 health enchant on small pieces u will have same value.

ruikkarikun · April 2019

Browart wrote: »

You will only lose 380 hp so its nothing after when they buffed cp by 20%. On ma Sorc now i have 15,6k hp and after "nerfs" I will have 15,3k what is still better before buffs cp where I had only 15,1k hp

If u still have problem with that just run 1 health enchant on small pieces u will have same value.

LOL. LIke if it's not so ,much hurt change. why did they do it??? LOGIC IS MISSING.

heng14rwb17_ESO · April 2019

GO BLUE OR GO CRY !

Dark_Lord_Kuro · April 2019

If i remember corectly one of the nerf in morrowind was to force you to chose between high sustain or hight damage

Seem to me they just followup on that

ruikkarikun · April 2019

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

GO BLUE OR GO CRY !

LFG

Maphusail · April 2019

ZOS just don't give a *** on your gameplay experience. It's more of "Our dev's feel happy with that" subject.

prototypefb · April 2019

this nerf is due to necromancer having passive that increases hp to make it op

Tasear · April 2019

Costs of gold food doesn't compare to it's value even not and will make it meaningless if this goes live.

likecats · April 2019

PVE targetted nerf.

Narvuntien · April 2019

I barely noticed any change in my max stats seems fine.

Reevster · April 2019

BlackMadara wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

It's just a loss of ~200 health and ~200 magicka/stamina.

Witchmother's gives 3191 health and magicka. A 12% decrease is about 393 of each stat. That is base. You will further lose stat based on attribute multipliers, such as undaunted, mage's guild, and cp passives. This is a rather substantial nerf.

Agree.

It should have been an increase not a decrease.

ZOS screwed up Bigly on this one.

HankTwo · April 2019

It's such an unnecessary nerf. Using ZOS own metric to gauge the value of stat boosts (--> set piece bonuses like they did for the racial rebalancing), the tri stat food gives stats equal to 11.2 set piece bonuses, while dubious camoran throne or witchmother's potent brew only give stats equal to 8.0 set piece bonuses. Blue food like lava foot soup-and-saltrice on the other hand already give 7.7 set piece bonuses, which is super close to dubious/witchmother's. Why ZOS suddenly thinks that purple food shouldn't give a little bit more stats than blue is beyond me and I really hope they revert this change. It's simply illogical.

DPShiro · April 2019

Narvuntien wrote: »

I barely noticed any change in my max stats seems fine.

It’s currently bugged and is only ~5% less and not 15% as it should be

Odovacar · April 2019

So... blue food and some resource glyphs are in store for some people... I'm all about just dealing and adapting to changes but this one was a little surprising.

jaws343 · April 2019

I'll be switching to Max Health and Max Resource recovery food. 5K health and 500 mag or stam recovery will go a long way and make up for not have 3K extra mag or stam.

valeriiya · April 2019

Did anyone actually ask for this or is this just a totally random thing?

Miswar · April 2019

The real reason for this is propably that RACE change token sales were not good enough.

Now they trying to force people to buy them.... Actually would bet that this is the reason for this nerf.

The sustains have mostly been horrible longtime and this just adds to that.

This change was not needed and if the reason was cash grab again than shame on you ZOS.

LadySinflower · April 2019

Since I've never managed to acquire the witchmother's potent brew recipe I guess I just won't notice this. I just got the DCT recipe but have never used it due to running a mag main. Even so, nerfing food just seems stupid. I know some guy at ZoS plugged some numbers into a spreadsheet that made it make sense to them. Now we have to live with it, whether we like it or not. -Sigh-

Making changes based on metrics that look good on paper so the dev can appear to be doing his job (instead of sitting around looking at Facebook all day). Thanks ZoS. We love you too.

greenmachine · April 2019

I have to think this is part of a larger tweak to stats, buffs, skills, etc, but really ZoS, nerfing food? LOL, here comes BiS Crown Store Food.

This is a buff if you are not leveled in Provisioning tho

Eldartar · April 2019

Adapt and Overcome, there is always a way instead of whining about it.

Koronach · April 2019

Eldartar wrote: »

Adapt and Overcome, there is always a way instead of whining about it.

That's funny we could say the same thing about all the pvp cryhards that cause these nerfs.

LiquidPony · April 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nobody asked for this nerf, LOL. Classic ZOS.

Nobody?

A certain class rep has been harping about nerfing these foods for the past 6 months.

ruikkarikun · April 2019

Eldartar wrote: »

Adapt and Overcome, there is always a way instead of whining about it.

Why we must adapt to be more weak each time? Do you guys have some other planet logic? I wonder how many of you want to adapt for decreasing your salary for example. ??? ADAPT!!11

ruikkarikun · April 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nobody asked for this nerf, LOL. Classic ZOS.

Nobody?

A certain class rep has been harping about nerfing these foods for the past 6 months.

No wonder. They want to kill the game. We need to shut down it.

Kikke · April 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nobody asked for this nerf, LOL. Classic ZOS.

Nobody?

A certain class rep has been harping about nerfing these foods for the past 6 months.

Whom? Curious to whom too hate you see.

WrathOfInnos · April 2019

Maybe it’s an attempt to push the new sustain set, False Gods, from Sunspire. If blue bistat food becomes the meta, we will all need other sources of sustain. Breton and Redguard will be largely unaffected, but Orc, Altmer and Dunmer will need to compensate with either set bonuses or jewelry glyphs. Is it too conspiracy theorist of me to say that the nonsensical food change will sell more race change tokens and more copies of Elsweyr?

DeadlyRecluse · April 2019

I have zero problem with this adjustment/nerf, but it seems super odd.

Such a trivial thing to "fix," but whatever. It's hardly a sky-is-falling moment, imo.