Stadia - new life for ESO?

cheifsoap

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Why would a streaming service improve ESO performance? How does that make any sense?

Front end hardware vs. backend hardware. At that point, performance is only limited by bandwidth

You'd be connecting to ESO servers through a streaming service, versus connecting directly to ESO servers through your computer/console. You're adding latency.

Okay we're getting "technical" but yea, anything that deals with networking

Ohtimbar

Can't say I'd mind playing ESO on the Switch, and this would be the most likely way to do it. I don't think ESO is on Google's radar though, and performance is poor enough at the best of times.

cheifsoap

"We are currently investigating issues some players are having regarding logging into the North American megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."

LOL yeah, "cloud" computing aint gonna fix that.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Linaleah wrote: »

green_villain wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

only useful if you have unlimited data

90% of users have unlimited internet
or more

just like 90% of statistics are made up on a spot.

dude. not even close, especially in US.

seriously, you think lag is bad now? its going to be WORSE with pure streaming. Stadia is nothing new, xbox and playstation have been doing game streaming for years now. and its MORE laggy, latency is WORSe, becasue you are not just streaming some of the data - you are streaming ALL of the data. you know what this platform is really for? to allow people with old computers - play newer games without having to upgrade. and well - to let people play variety of games without having to buy them. its essentially Netflix/hulu/etc version of video gaming. it is NOT going to improve performance for majority of players who have software already installed on semi decent systems.

Erm, dude?

Where on Earth has Xbox been doing game streaming?

I've been playing on Xbox for the best part of a decade. If there were game streaming, I'd know about it.

Are you thinking of Xbox Game Pass? Because that is NOT streaming.

xMovingTarget

Nvidia has this too. When I had no graphics card, I used GeForce now. Updates just go through. Since it uses steam or supported gamelaunchers.
I played warframe at the time over it. 1080p 120 fps worked.
Downside, you have to adjust settings everytime you fire it up. Also I don't think you will be able to use any addons over cloud.
60fps over cloud does not feel good. Mouse feels strange. 120 fps made this go away.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/geforce-now/ if you are interested.

Facefister

"Cloud Computing" is nothing new, this idea came up nearly a decade ago. There is literally no arugment speaking for this concept. It's straight up inferior to any local systems.

Rex-Umbra

Promising. Rather sick of upgrading pcs consoles etc. Though need to see how well it actually works and is it cheaper then maintaining and upgrading hardware

ghastley

The only way this could be an improvement is if the problem is the performance of the client. Most people here complain about the performance of the internet connection between the client and the server. Especially those in Oceania, with their latency problem.

If Google can show any benefits, then it means they have a more direct connection to both ESO's servers and your PC, and so they could actually do more good by just shortening your path for the regular gameplay. But if they're just adding an extra link into a very long, laggy pathway, it can only make it worse.

And 1920x1080 display at 32 bits/pixel is ~70Mbits for one frame. How fast a connection do you need? That's going to be less than one frame/sec on most people's connections unless there's lossy compression. 120fps uncompressed is ~8Gbits/sec, so compression would have to be amazing!

Danikat

They should have called it Google OnLive to manage expectations.

But I guess they want to act like this is a new concept they invented and totally different from anything which has come before.

SomeDogsAreCops

>buying Google products

By the Nine, what are you doing.

Kulvar

With PC
You <---> ESO

With Stadia
You <---> Google <---> ESO

Not only will you need a good and stable download bandwidth for the video stream, you'll have more lag due to the middle server.

green_villain

Kulvar wrote: »

With PC
You <---> ESO

With Stadia
You <---> Google <---> ESO

Not only will you need a good and stable download bandwidth for the video stream, you'll have more lag due to the middle server.

not true

You <--->Google(ESO)

starkerealm

green_villain wrote: »

Kulvar wrote: »

With PC
You <---> ESO

With Stadia
You <---> Google <---> ESO

Not only will you need a good and stable download bandwidth for the video stream, you'll have more lag due to the middle server.

not true

You <--->Google(ESO)

No, @Kulvar was correct. Google won't be hosting PCNA for this.

idk

I do not think OP understands why there is lag.

starkerealm

idk wrote: »

I do not think OP understands why there is lag.

I will add it to the litany.

Linaleah

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

green_villain wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

only useful if you have unlimited data

90% of users have unlimited internet
or more

just like 90% of statistics are made up on a spot.

dude. not even close, especially in US.

seriously, you think lag is bad now? its going to be WORSE with pure streaming. Stadia is nothing new, xbox and playstation have been doing game streaming for years now. and its MORE laggy, latency is WORSe, becasue you are not just streaming some of the data - you are streaming ALL of the data. you know what this platform is really for? to allow people with old computers - play newer games without having to upgrade. and well - to let people play variety of games without having to buy them. its essentially Netflix/hulu/etc version of video gaming. it is NOT going to improve performance for majority of players who have software already installed on semi decent systems.

Erm, dude?

Where on Earth has Xbox been doing game streaming?

I've been playing on Xbox for the best part of a decade. If there were game streaming, I'd know about it.

Are you thinking of Xbox Game Pass? Because that is NOT streaming.

pardon me, I thought it worked the same as ps now. i stand corrected. ps now however IS streaming and its... not great. workable if you want to try out a whole bunch of games without buying them or playstation system in general, but very inferior to actualy downloading a game in terms of latency and lag.

and oh yeah, completely frogot abvout service nvidia has been working on and betaing. all google is trying to do here is grab that sweet sweet slice of a pie other companies have been sharing for years.

but I reiterate. this has NOTHING to do with improving performance. it has everything to do with generating revenue via rentals/subscription

todokete

Kulvar wrote: »

With PC
You <---> Akamai <---> ESO

With Stadia
You <---> Google <---> Akamai <---> ESO

Not only will you need a good and stable download bandwidth for the video stream, you'll have more lag due to the middle server.

FTFY

zaria

green_villain wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Article says it would need around 25 Mb/s to play at just 1080p60. Run the math on that.

That would be 90,000 Mbits per hour of gaming. divide by 8 turn it into 11,000 MB or 11 GB of data per hour.

And for what exactly? To pay Google some large fee to use their proprietary platform? No thanks, I'll keep control over my own software.

its a feature of gaming and sooner or later you will have no choice

And ESO logs will show them that? I mostly play Khajiits so they try to sell me cat food
Problem is that current apartment is not very good for cats (no options for an cat door) and old cat ran away (probably back to old owner)

technohic

Im interested in the concept of Stadia, but I would not get too excited about it until you see it actually work with lots of people at the same time.

danno8

technohic wrote: »

Im interested in the concept of Stadia, but I would not get too excited about it until you see it actually work with lots of people at the same time.

And that there is a cost benefit to letting Google invest in and perform the computing for you and charging you monthly for it.

This will not be cheaper for the consumer. I virtually guarantee it.

Tommy_The_Gun

green_villain wrote: »

google just announced their cloud gaming platform
no lags or latency issues anymore!

do you think it will improve cyrodiil performance if ever ESO will be available there?

With this you have ENTIRE game running on a server. You only send input data (like movement keys, skills etc. you know - controls). The entire game runs not on your local machine, but on a "remotely controlled" server. So it is actually much more data (4K graphics resolution video) than we have now, as we have game client + server. With this streaming thingy you only have server. So the lags will actually will be much larger.
Currently in order for this to work properly, you will have to have at lest 25 Mbps+ internet. Not every one have access to it. In fact, too little % of players have a stable & fast fiber network based internet, so it will mean a huge % player base lost. Not good for the MMO game if you ask me.

Facefister

Apart from all the possible technical issues, Google isn't doing it because it loves games or believes in gamers, they want a monopoly. A gigantic surveillance machine like Facebook. Google products should be used with great caution.

Alucardo

This just in: Wireless Internet improves gaming performance because it travels through the air instead of running through those long, tangled up cables!

Kulvar

zaria wrote: »

And ESO logs will show them that? I mostly play Khajiits so they try to sell me cat food
Problem is that current apartment is not very good for cats (no options for an cat door) and old cat ran away (probably back to old owner)

You lack imagination.
Books, movies, songs, gaming furnitures, geek merchandising, computer parts, ISP. They'll also combine the data with your googling history, your browsing history because of analytics/chrome, etc.

Billdor

green_villain wrote: »

google just announced their cloud gaming platform
no lags or latency issues anymore!

do you think it will improve cyrodiil performance if ever ESO will be available there?

I think you have to be severly mentally deficent to even suggest that there will be no lags/latency issues anymore. For one it sounds like you've barely read what Stadia is. Two as with most Google products it will eventually be dumped and cut off. Three, thats not how networking works.

Not to be rude but it seems like you're just pulling facts right out of where the sun doesn't shine.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Linaleah wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

green_villain wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

only useful if you have unlimited data

90% of users have unlimited internet
or more

just like 90% of statistics are made up on a spot.

dude. not even close, especially in US.

seriously, you think lag is bad now? its going to be WORSE with pure streaming. Stadia is nothing new, xbox and playstation have been doing game streaming for years now. and its MORE laggy, latency is WORSe, becasue you are not just streaming some of the data - you are streaming ALL of the data. you know what this platform is really for? to allow people with old computers - play newer games without having to upgrade. and well - to let people play variety of games without having to buy them. its essentially Netflix/hulu/etc version of video gaming. it is NOT going to improve performance for majority of players who have software already installed on semi decent systems.

Erm, dude?

Where on Earth has Xbox been doing game streaming?

I've been playing on Xbox for the best part of a decade. If there were game streaming, I'd know about it.

Are you thinking of Xbox Game Pass? Because that is NOT streaming.

pardon me, I thought it worked the same as ps now. i stand corrected. ps now however IS streaming and its... not great. workable if you want to try out a whole bunch of games without buying them or playstation system in general, but very inferior to actualy downloading a game in terms of latency and lag.

and oh yeah, completely frogot abvout service nvidia has been working on and betaing. all google is trying to do here is grab that sweet sweet slice of a pie other companies have been sharing for years.

but I reiterate. this has NOTHING to do with improving performance. it has everything to do with generating revenue via rentals/subscription

Fair enough, m'dude.

Yeah. Microsoft has got "Project Xcloud" in the works, but it isn't live at all yet.

exeeter702

You're funny

Mathius_Mordred

Linaleah wrote: »

green_villain wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

only useful if you have unlimited data

90% of users have unlimited internet
or more

just like 90% of statistics are made up on a spot.

dude. not even close, especially in US.

seriously, you think lag is bad now? its going to be WORSE with pure streaming. Stadia is nothing new, xbox and playstation have been doing game streaming for years now. and its MORE laggy, latency is WORSe, becasue you are not just streaming some of the data - you are streaming ALL of the data. you know what this platform is really for? to allow people with old computers - play newer games without having to upgrade. and well - to let people play variety of games without having to buy them. its essentially Netflix/hulu/etc version of video gaming. it is NOT going to improve performance for majority of players who have software already installed on semi decent systems.

QFT

Runefang

Could be a win for Oceanic players. Connect to Stadia in a US location, experience under 200ms lag there, they connect to ZOS servers for maybe 80ms lag for a total 280ms. It's better than 400ms lag.

MLGProPlayer

green_villain wrote: »

Kulvar wrote: »

With PC
You <---> ESO

With Stadia
You <---> Google <---> ESO

Not only will you need a good and stable download bandwidth for the video stream, you'll have more lag due to the middle server.

not true

You <--->Google(ESO)

You don't seem to understand how this technology works.