Pvp is broken

stephbay123

Zos needs to reintroduce faction lock, regardless of how some may not like it or if it has been taken away in the past. Pvp is broken now with too much cheating. Just played tonight with each faction locked. Ad took glade and dc fought back in, only for ep to come running out a tower. After dc were dead I watched as ep and ad stood by each other as the keep was repaired.
It may have been fine in the past to change factions but people now see to much reward in winning campaigns, no matter how rubbish it really is, and it’s ruining the game for the majority.

technohic

Have you ever thought of the downside? If people know that factions are going to get locked, more might bail on playing their DC at all because they want to go to the most likely faction to win. I mean your kind of damned if you do, damned if you dont so long as people are in it for rewards rather than fights.

Katahdin

Was this in Vivec? I was in an AD group that took Glade tonight and I can assure you we did not "stand next to EP as the keep was repaired" so I dont know what youre talking about.

DC took Glade back later then EP made it red and both AD and EP each took a DC scroll.

EP was a bit slower than AD in securing the scroll and we tried to snipe the scroll EP was carrying.
It didnt work, we died but someone put up a camp and we rezed and killed the DC chasing the scroll EP had, because, well DC was there and we could so we did.

I was in Vivec from 6:30 PM est til midnight and its now 12:15 and I didnt see any of this kind of behavior.
The group I was with fought both DC and EP all night. There was no buddy buddy action between our group and either DC or EP at all.

Siohwenoeht

I was unknowingly caught up in a scroll trading deal while skyshard hunting behind a gate recently. It was mildly annoying but I just broke off and went to do other things. Cyrodiil is quite a big place and it's easy to find where the legit action is.

I used to be on the "faction lock for the campaign" bandwagon but I really think it would drive more players away rather than fix the trolling/griefing.

I think a new motivation to stick with factions, rather than a full lock would be better. You could make AP character bound for example, so that only the toon that earned it could spend it. That would be an incentive for folks to stick to one faction for the duration, or at least a majority of the campaign.

stephbay123

Sorry but watched both ad and ep in and outside the keep standing by each other. Outside after the fight a poor dc guy popped his head up and about 20 ad and ep went chasing after him.

stephbay123

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

I was unknowingly caught up in a scroll trading deal while skyshard hunting behind a gate recently. It was mildly annoying but I just broke off and went to do other things. Cyrodiil is quite a big place and it's easy to find where the legit action is.

I used to be on the "faction lock for the campaign" bandwagon but I really think it would drive more players away rather than fix the trolling/griefing.

I think a new motivation to stick with factions, rather than a full lock would be better. You could make AP character bound for example, so that only the toon that earned it could spend it. That would be an incentive for folks to stick to one faction for the duration, or at least a majority of the campaign.

Sound like a great alternative too

generalmyrick

stephbay123 wrote: »

Zos needs to reintroduce faction lock, regardless of how some may not like it or if it has been taken away in the past. Pvp is broken now with too much cheating. Just played tonight with each faction locked. Ad took glade and dc fought back in, only for ep to come running out a tower. After dc were dead I watched as ep and ad stood by each other as the keep was repaired.
It may have been fine in the past to change factions but people now see to much reward in winning campaigns, no matter how rubbish it really is, and it’s ruining the game for the majority.

i haven't played seriously in 6 months. strictly IMPERIAL CITY where cheating is small scale! where the truly elite do it for LOLs and not to win a camp! :-)

Katahdin

stephbay123 wrote: »

Sorry but watched both ad and ep in and outside the keep standing by each other. Outside after the fight a poor dc guy popped his head up and about 20 ad and ep went chasing after him.

Again, was this on Vivec?
Did you see any guild tags on either group?
I know damn well it wasnt my group, because we dont play that crap and I dont want anyone blaming my group for something it did not do.
Another AD group may have taken it later but I dont remember.

In any case, I did not see it happen tonight but we have all seen this sort of thing happen in the past.

Its really funny that a DC player would complain about an EP/AD coop because we have seen EP and DC do it many many times in the past. How many times has EP taken a DC scroll and DC doesnt even make an attempt to take it back at all for hours and hours? How many times has EP back doored a keep behind DC and helped them take it or helped them defend it against AD. LOTS AND LOTS. You dont complain about it then do you? You didnt complain about it last week when DC and EP had AD gated and one of our scrolls got taken, did you?

But since its EP and AD youve seen do this NOW its a problem?
Riiiight

In any case, faction lock wont stop it from happening. A 3 way fight is going to go that way sometimes, 2 are going to be simultaneously attacking one once in a while.

How many times have any of the two factions worked together to de-emp the third faction. Sometimes it is the only way to de-emp is for the other two factions to cooperate and not attack each other for a bit to get it done.

Ilithyania

not fair play agree. but hardly worth the BROKEN tag

its a videogame, humans do silly stuff.

Alucardo

Ilithyania wrote: »

its a videogame, humans do silly stuff.

Yeah, I'm not sure that's a great excuse for wasting other peoples time, because while you thought the scroll carrier was taking your scroll home, they ended up handing it over to the enemy because they are good friends. Or when a member of your alliance leads a group of pvers just trying to get war horn and vigor into a trap, tells them to start sieging a keep, switches to enemy faction and slaughters them all for the huge def tick.
Alliance hopping is a huge problem. It's no longer a matter of "they are just being silly". They're actually wasting peoples time because there's no sense of loyalty.
I get people may have friends they want to mess about with on other alliances, but it's no reason to ruin everyone else's experience.

stephbay123

stephbay123 wrote: »

Zos needs to reintroduce faction lock, regardless of how some may not like it or if it has been taken away in the past. Pvp is broken now with too much cheating. Just played tonight with each faction locked. Ad took glade and dc fought back in, only for ep to come running out a tower. After dc were dead I watched as ep and ad stood by each other as the keep was repaired.
It may have been fine in the past to change factions but people now see to much reward in winning campaigns, no matter how rubbish it really is, and it’s ruining the game for the majority.

Again tonight. All factions full, dc have ash and nikel, ad have roe and fought at nikel for 20 mins. From the other side of the map 20 ep show up and fight along side ad, stand by and watch as ad siege nikel. I lay dead to watch and when ad moved to ash they followed again they helped ad at ash. Pvp used to be great fun but now it is just cancer with alliance jumping when full taking space up of one faction but really playing for the other. Faction lock won’t solve all problems but it will certainly go a long way for folk to choose what alliance to play each month and stick with it and also to help with the cheating. If folk want to play with friends they can easily make a character of that alliance or play a different campaign.

Tipsy

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

I think a new motivation to stick with factions, rather than a full lock would be better. You could make AP character bound for example, so that only the toon that earned it could spend it. That would be an incentive for folks to stick to one faction for the duration, or at least a majority of the campaign.

A loyalty boon if your character/account only supported one alliance during the whole duration of the campaign might be cool

yodased

I was with you until the "ruining for the majority".

There isnt enough players to support faction 🔐

Reistr_the_Unbroken

yodased wrote: »

I was with you until the "ruining for the majority".

There isnt enough players to support faction 🔐

Keep in mind though: not everyone who owns ESO has a forum account

Gnozo

Faction lock wont change anything.

Mostly its just in your personal feeling or they just respect the other players and dont attack them. Or they know them from Guilds, pve activities and more and they dont want to attack their Friends.

Get over it.

yodased

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

I was with you until the "ruining for the majority".

There isnt enough players to support faction 🔐

Keep in mind though: not everyone who owns ESO has a forum account

Oh that isn't lost on me I am well aware of that. I am also well aware that none of us can have any data beyond the 2600 individual connections we have to show any real trends. Which is a drop in the ocean of the game population (or so we are told)

I am also aware of my personal bias towards wanting this game to succeed.

All that being true, there still isn't enough players who PvP to reinstate faction lock on PC/NA. Thats math since its not pop locked except for 4-5 hours per 24 hour cycle and during that time there are multiple waves of swapping alliances.

We just don't have it captain, I'm givven er all she got

JediCody

How is it broken when I got Caltrops on one toon and Warhorn on another in one afternoon?

[snip]

[Edit for bait.]

Wrathmane

There may be an element of strategy involved as well...... I mean when I was on last night AD was winning the Campaign EP was about 100 points behind and DC was about 1000 points behind EP....... as far as strategy goes EP wants anyone but AD to be holding the the AD scrolls. I would say as long as DC is holding AD's scroll EP will be gaining points on them, so its in EP best interest to be actively defending the AD scroll that is held by DC.

I myself have never been in cyrodil on anything but an EP toon.... I wouldn't even know what the home camps of the other two factions look like.

illusiouk

I doubt there will ever be a faction lock in this game. Its been poorly designed from the megaserver to the multi-alliance guilds with pvp in mind.

With Alliance Loyalty in mind ZOS would need to reconstruct the core of the game and make cyrodiil server v server. There's nothing worse seeing your so called alliance watching the enemy attack your keep or kill a fellow soldier all because they are in the same guild or they are friends.

To the OP, my advice is hope games like Camelot Unchained happen or someone you know wins the lottery and develops a true realm v realm game. ESO is not that game.

It should have been 1 account = server and alliance/realm. If you wanted to join another faction on that server you needed another account or delete your existing one and join it.

In its prime Dark ages of Camelot was the perfect example.

Universe

Broken is a delicate word to describe it...
It is either completely shattered to a few million different pieces or has been reduced to dust xD

yodased

illusiouk wrote: »

I doubt there will ever be a faction lock in this game. Its been poorly designed from the megaserver to the multi-alliance guilds with pvp in mind.

With Alliance Loyalty in mind ZOS would need to reconstruct the core of the game and make cyrodiil server v server. There's nothing worse seeing your so called alliance watching the enemy attack your keep or kill a fellow soldier all because they are in the same guild or they are friends.

To the OP, my advice is hope games like Camelot Unchained happen or someone you know wins the lottery and develops a true realm v realm game. ESO is not that game.

It should have been 1 account = server and alliance/realm. If you wanted to join another faction on that server you needed another account or delete your existing one and join it.

In its prime Dark ages of Camelot was the perfect example.

It was character bound by alliance, hell you couldn't even see other people in other alliances. You also could not go to other alliance areas.

Then they must have realized their content was thin so they allowed you to go to the other zones with cadwell silver and gold

illusiouk

yodased wrote: »

It was character bound by alliance, hell you couldn't even see other people in other alliances. You also could not go to other alliance areas.

Then they must have realized their content was thin so they allowed you to go to the other zones with cadwell silver and gold

There was a lot more problems than just alliances at the start and then they took the easy route and changed it to One Tamriel.

I played beta and thought it was so bad I didn't play until they actually made the changes but my grief was with the leveling curve and bugs.

Toc de Malsvi

Wrathmane wrote: »

There may be an element of strategy involved as well...... I mean when I was on last night AD was winning the Campaign EP was about 100 points behind and DC was about 1000 points behind EP....... as far as strategy goes EP wants anyone but AD to be holding the the AD scrolls. I would say as long as DC is holding AD's scroll EP will be gaining points on them, so its in EP best interest to be actively defending the AD scroll that is held by DC.

I myself have never been in cyrodil on anything but an EP toon.... I wouldn't even know what the home camps of the other two factions look like.

Unfortunately that kind of strategy is rarely seen.

More often are situations like these:

DC is controlling the map EP is in second and AD is in a distant third. DC decides to push AD because they are putting up less resistance and promise quicker AP, EP decides DC is too strong to fight right now and pushes AD. AD becomes gated until DC and EP decide to fight each other for a bit. AD takes back home keeps and then DC decides to push AD again, EP again decides they don't want any part of fighting DC while they are strong and pushes AD again.

This cycle rinses and repeats until the central DC powers get bored and DC population dwindles.

p00tx

Katahdin wrote: »

stephbay123 wrote: »

Sorry but watched both ad and ep in and outside the keep standing by each other. Outside after the fight a poor dc guy popped his head up and about 20 ad and ep went chasing after him.

Again, was this on Vivec?
Did you see any guild tags on either group?
I know damn well it wasnt my group, because we dont play that crap and I dont want anyone blaming my group for something it did not do.
Another AD group may have taken it later but I dont remember.

In any case, I did not see it happen tonight but we have all seen this sort of thing happen in the past.

Its really funny that a DC player would complain about an EP/AD coop because we have seen EP and DC do it many many times in the past. How many times has EP taken a DC scroll and DC doesnt even make an attempt to take it back at all for hours and hours? How many times has EP back doored a keep behind DC and helped them take it or helped them defend it against AD. LOTS AND LOTS. You dont complain about it then do you? You didnt complain about it last week when DC and EP had AD gated and one of our scrolls got taken, did you?

But since its EP and AD youve seen do this NOW its a problem?
Riiiight

In any case, faction lock wont stop it from happening. A 3 way fight is going to go that way sometimes, 2 are going to be simultaneously attacking one once in a while.

How many times have any of the two factions worked together to de-emp the third faction. Sometimes it is the only way to de-emp is for the other two factions to cooperate and not attack each other for a bit to get it done.

LOL! We don't take it back on Xbox because it's 2 bars of "solo" DC against a pop locked EP campaign and all of them traveling in one massive hoard. We just figure we'll let them have it so they can pat themselves on the back and maybe get bored and wander off. It's impossible to play through that mess and there is no way to really fight back.

vamp_emily

I know it is just a game but please give us a competitive campaign. A campaign that doesn't allow flipping and population is balanced at all times. A campaign where players that actually work together as a "faction".

#Please

yodased

vamp_emily wrote: »

I know it is just a game but please give us a competitive campaign. A campaign that doesn't allow flipping and population is balanced at all times. A campaign where players that actually work together as a "faction".

#Please

They had that for 2 years, population was never balanced and pvp never had a working together feel.

There is not enough interest from players.

Toc de Malsvi

Maybe give more AP for fighting Emp Alliance

vamp_emily

yodased wrote: »

They had that for 2 years, population was never balanced and pvp never had a working together feel.

There is not enough interest from players.

What campaign are you talking about?

stephbay123

vamp_emily wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

They had that for 2 years, population was never balanced and pvp never had a working together feel.

There is not enough interest from players.

What campaign are you talking about?

PS4 Vivec eu

Bam_Bam

yodased wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I know it is just a game but please give us a competitive campaign. A campaign that doesn't allow flipping and population is balanced at all times. A campaign where players that actually work together as a "faction".

#Please

They had that for 2 years, population was never balanced and pvp never had a working together feel.

There is not enough interest from players.

Yet since they got rid of faction locking, the PvP population has dwindled and left for greener pastures. I'd say there was a LOT more interest in PvP when there was faction locking and more people played PvP when there was faction locking.

Seems the only people who don't want it to come back are those who think faction flipping and Pvdooring is just fine.

TequilaFire

All I know is I sure spend a lot of time everyday playing broken PvP.