Stamina underperforming PVP

Mayrael

Hahaha people say it's a "bad troll" yet it triggers users of this forum pretty good, and that was the purpose I guess. He's right though - for those who still don't get it - OP's point is that magicka underperforms when compared to stamina

ATomiX96

adosrc25 wrote: »

Stamina NBs are so weak atm.Buff incap twice amount of damage and let it also give minor healing debuff with major one.Actually increase the duration as well.Also make it undodgable and cant be block.In that case there will be balance for every class.

and revert it back to 50 ultimate, 70/120 is too expensive for a 20% damage increase, high dmg, major defile, stun ultimate smh

Dragneel1207

Then give DK an execute where the take flight instantly kills all the enemies around u and They seriously need a buff if we are talking about balancing 😈😈

Neoauspex

It's really only Stam Warden that needs to be buffed. And bleeds.

Dragneel1207

Hybrid needs to be buffed and dark elf should get 2000 spell or physical damage

Raammzzaa

Clearly the only answer to stamina underperformance in ESO is for ZOS to nerf sorcs! 😈

LonePirate

Anybody asking for a Stsmina buff in PVP, and not doing so in jest, needs to spend more observing the game world around them and looking at their death recaps instead writing ridiculous posts on the forums.

Silver_Strider

To be fair, Medium Armor sets are pretty much limited to damaging proc sets for the overwhelming majority as opposed to stat buffing sets. Even Relequien falls into this category of being a medium set that only deals damage and doesn't increase your stats directly, unlike Siroria that offers you more spell damage. When was the last time ZOS released a medium set that wasn't a sustain or damage proc set? Last one I can remember is Briarheart.

Arkangeloski

JobooAGS wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

I'm sorry bro stam is at a good spot now, you say mag can run two sets and get over 700 wpd..I can run an infused Masters bow with wpn dmg enchant and get that, add hundings front bar and get 1,000 dmg total.

Did you read the post?

Oh...lol Dam you sarcasm!

red_emu

Burtan wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

I suggest you try rolling a mag character and go into PvP. Roll dodge once, get stunned after... No stam to break free... Dead.

Now roll a stam toon. Dodge, block, roll, break free, roll, block, break roots.... Still plenty of stam to deal damage... Alive and kicking.

Since you understand how frustrating this is, please stop spamming stampede, petrify and cost poisons on people while they get zerged.

Tyvm.

Someone remembered my name tag?

Datthaw

The worst thing about stamina is trying to solo a resource, I mean those guard ccs are out of control, it's like *negate*bubble*bubble*bubble*negate. Totally destroys my stam pool. How unreasonable and unnecessary. If only I could just walk up ult and spam aoe execute like mag toons.

CatchMeTrolling

Stamina is so underpowered that everyone spin to lose now

Nord_Raseri

as long as mag toons are able to spam shields stam toons will need heavy armor to compete. at least I do. of course I'm not running sets like 7th or fury and I'm not that great.

devilsTear

Why people never read the posts and just start responding always baffles me 😂

Minno

Mayrael wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

It's a great thread for seeing if people actually read the OP.

Not only read but also understand him and have enough knowledge about game to get the point of the thread.

I didnt read it, because it's one giant-ass paragraph lol.

Kaysha

Minno wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

It's a great thread for seeing if people actually read the OP.

Not only read but also understand him and have enough knowledge about game to get the point of the thread.

I didnt read it, because it's one giant-ass paragraph lol.

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I mean, how can people be expected to read 167 words (including numbers, I counted, yes)?

CyrusArya

Stamina doesn’t overperform and magicka doesn’t underperform. There’s just a few heavy stamina sets that enable a slightly overtuned playstyle for stamina builds.

In the grand scheme of things, Light Magicka and Heavy Stam are both extremely powerful atm, but Medium Stamina (sans nightblade) falls a bit behind.

Minno

Kaysha wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

It's a great thread for seeing if people actually read the OP.

Not only read but also understand him and have enough knowledge about game to get the point of the thread.

I didnt read it, because it's one giant-ass paragraph lol.

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I mean, how can people be expected to read 167 words (including numbers, I counted, yes)?

Formatting is a beautiful thing lol.

Mayrael

Datthaw wrote: »

The worst thing about stamina is trying to solo a resource, I mean those guard ccs are out of control, it's like *negate*bubble*bubble*bubble*negate. Totally destroys my stam pool. How unreasonable and unnecessary. If only I could just walk up ult and spam aoe execute like mag toons.

This guy gets it

HowlKimchi

The worst is that stamina nightblade always keeps getting nerfed because of its magicka counterpart which is overperforming by a LOT in pvp right now. sighhhh

Papachico

HaruKamui wrote: »

The worst is that stamina nightblade always keeps getting nerfed because of its magicka counterpart which is overperforming by a LOT in pvp right now. sighhhh

I agree buff stamina nb! they really underperform in openworld pvp compared to those annoying sniping mag nbs

Berenhir

Another major problem is that stamina has to build for health and stam because its heals are mainly burst based while magicka can happily stack spell damage through the roof with a 1.4x multiplier to boost their hot based playstyle even more. So stamina builds have to rely on stamina which basically has only warhorn (lol at warhorn in PvP) as multiplier left AND dig for health from that same pool while magicka can stack the more effective ressource AND let heavy armour take care of their health.

Additionally, stamina has higher skill costs than magicka, making heavy armour for (originally medium) stamina less beneficial than for (originally light) magicka due to the cost reduction scaling less effective with stamina.

Heavy attacks from Stamina's main single target weapon are also veeeery telegraphed and thus easily dodgeable and blockable while magicka has really short and effective heavies synergizing much better with those powerful HA ressource return based spell damage sets OP mentions.

Bergzorn

Also, most magica builds can literally stand still for days while stamina builds have to move around constantly at comparably high speed.

thankyourat

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

as long as mag toons are able to spam shields stam toons will need heavy armor to compete. at least I do. of course I'm not running sets like 7th or fury and I'm not that great.

Dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, miss, dodge dodge.

CyrusArya

Yeah but at least stamina has the arguably strongest skill in the game that provides ~600 regen and fracture at no cost, a massive penetration bonus in the armor passives that can’t be attained by any other means, and exponentially more build diversity/variety and class identity.

Mayrael

CyrusArya wrote: »

Yeah but at least stamina has the arguably strongest skill in the game that provides ~600 regen and fracture at no cost, a massive penetration bonus in the armor passives that can’t be attained by any other means, and exponentially more build diversity/variety and class identity.

You mean fracture built-in one of the best spammable damage dealing ability in the game or the magicka skill that buffs your damage by 8%, is the most hard hitting skill in the game and also buffs your cough "magicka" regen by 10%?

JobooAGS

Mayrael wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Yeah but at least stamina has the arguably strongest skill in the game that provides ~600 regen and fracture at no cost, a massive penetration bonus in the armor passives that can’t be attained by any other means, and exponentially more build diversity/variety and class identity.

You mean fracture built-in one of the best spammable damage dealing ability in the game or the magicka skill that buffs your damage by 8%, is the most hard hitting skill in the game and also buffs your cough "magicka" regen by 10%?

To be fair, assassin's will from meriless resolve does more dmg than assassin's scrouge from relentless focus

Iskiab

Wow, the stereotype of millennials is they don’t read and only skim information. You have to walk up, slap them in the face, and say something face to face for them to understand something.

This thread is both hilarious and a sad indictment of our future.

CyrusArya

Mayrael wrote: »

You mean fracture built-in one of the best spammable damage dealing ability in the game or the magicka skill that buffs your damage by 8%, is the most hard hitting skill in the game and also buffs your cough "magicka" regen by 10%?

There’s 4/5 stamina classes that aren’t a stamblade. Can’t use the strongest spec in the game as the standard to evaluate an entire playstyle by. Why I specifically mentioned that medium is sub par with the specific exception of stamblade.

Strider__Roshin

CyrusArya wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

You mean fracture built-in one of the best spammable damage dealing ability in the game or the magicka skill that buffs your damage by 8%, is the most hard hitting skill in the game and also buffs your cough "magicka" regen by 10%?

There’s 4/5 stamina classes that aren’t a stamblade. Can’t use the strongest spec in the game as the standard to evaluate an entire playstyle by. Why I specifically mentioned that medium is sub par with the specific exception of stamblade.

Stamblades are strong in medium because of Cloak. Balance that move then we can balance medium as a whole.