Are nords overperforming?

Tasear

Seems like a lot of people tanks even healers are going for tanks? There's also talks of medium amour tanks with complete alkoash and powerful assault. Will this be good for game in King run?

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twing1_

Nords? Over powered? God no.

They are, however, in a hot race with both argonians and imperials (only after the recent imperial changes)

But that's the only thing they have going for them... Very questionably the top tank race, equally as uncertainly the 2nd or 3rd.

All in all, very balanced in terms of tanking and underperforming in literally all other things.

Tbh I'm ashamed of myself for even posting in this thread to even entertain the notion of nords being over powered.

kojou

No.

Vapirko

Tasear wrote: »

Seems like a lot of people tanks even healers are going for Nords? There's also talks of medium amour tanks with complete alkoash and powerful assault. Will this be good for game in the long run?

Fixed that for you. No I think it’s fine. There are already medium armor tanks. As I understand it tanking needs a shot of life as it’s grown somewhat static. Hopefully the changes open up some new builds. They are definitely not OP.

Lughlongarm

Nords got some advantages, but I don't think Imperials are inferior. If anything, Imperials are getting more 'passive value' for pure tanking. One can also make an argument for Argonians. Nop I don't think they are OP for tanking, I do think Nord is a very interesting race for PvP.

usmcjdking

Too powerful in what context? If you run medium armor, it's not all that much tankier than Imperial with worse sustain than Imperial and noticeably worse sustain than Argonian. It has massively worse Vigors than Orc.

5 ult every 10 seconds when most builds are going to net anywhere between 39-45 ult per 10 seconds isn't really all that great, either.

Tasear

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Tasear wrote: »

Seems like a lot of people tanks even healers are going for Nords? There's also talks of medium amour tanks with complete alkoash and powerful assault. Will this be good for game in the long run?

Fixed that for you. No I think it’s fine. There are already medium armor tanks. As I understand it tanking needs a shot of life as it’s grown somewhat static. Hopefully the changes open up some new builds. They are definitely not OP.

That's a good point and opens up my perspective.

Rungar

seems like imperial will be the better tank.

imperial has 2x health
more stamina
cheaper ultimates and all skills
a way to regen stam while blocking

nords only real advantage is the ultimate and if you think about it imperials got that too in the form of reduction but its not as good as nords (about 25% of what nord has).

nords will have a better choice of monster sets and that's about it. Even redguard is a better choice for the average tank given their crazy stam regen and cheap weapon abilities.

Mattock_Romulus

Yes...ahem, Nords are definitely overpowered.

Please nerf the Nords.

Sincerely,

An Imperial

Tasear

Rungar wrote: »

seems like imperial will be the better tank.

imperial has 2x health
more stamina
cheaper ultimates and all skills
a way to regen stam while blocking

nords only real advantage is the ultimate and if you think about it imperials got that too in the form of reduction but its not as good as nords (about 25% of what nord has).

nords will have a better choice of monster sets and that's about it. Even redguard is a better choice for the average tank given their crazy stam regen and cheap weapon abilities.

Okay I concede. It looks like we have got some nice balance.

MartiniDaniels

Oh yes, power assault+alkosh+bloodspawn. It's a-m-a-z-i-n-g.
Also I'm thinking if Ebon will be needed at all with changes to food.

MartiniDaniels

Rungar wrote: »

seems like imperial will be the better tank.

imperial has 2x health
more stamina
cheaper ultimates and all skills
a way to regen stam while blocking

nords only real advantage is the ultimate and if you think about it imperials got that too in the form of reduction but its not as good as nords (about 25% of what nord has).

nords will have a better choice of monster sets and that's about it. Even redguard is a better choice for the average tank given their crazy stam regen and cheap weapon abilities.

Well, 4k resistances is 3 set bonus worth. But you are right that nord doesn't have any sustain..

DoobZ69

The other 11 players won't give a damn about your stamina regeneration and cheaper abilities. They will want more Warhorns, pure and simple. Nord will be demanded by the raid. It may not make it a better tanking race but it will be a must nonetheless.

Strider__Roshin

No they're garbage now unless you're a PvE tank. I've been a Nord since launch and this is the first time I'll be race changing him. Yeah they need a buff.

Morgul667

Nop

There always was alkosh powerful assault tank this is not new

MartiniDaniels

Morgul667 wrote: »

Nop

There always was alkosh powerful assault tank this is not new

Yes, but was this tank using bloodspawn and still hitting resistance cap without bloodspawn proc? I mean nord will be able to run most dps-enhancing setup possible and still be durable enough.

twing1_

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Morgul667 wrote: »

Nop

There always was alkosh powerful assault tank this is not new

Yes, but was this tank using bloodspawn and still hitting resistance cap without bloodspawn proc? I mean nord will be able to run most dps-enhancing setup possible and still be durable enough.

People did this prior to the nord change with protective rings. It just opens up more slots for harmony traits.

TimeDazzler

Nord overperforming... Have you looked at orc?

Morgul667

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MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Nop

There always was alkosh powerful assault tank this is not new

Yes, but was this tank using bloodspawn and still hitting resistance cap without bloodspawn proc? I mean nord will be able to run most dps-enhancing setup possible and still be durable enough.

People did this prior to the nord change with protective rings. It just opens up more slots for harmony traits.

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Strider__Roshin

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Morgul667 wrote: »

Nop

There always was alkosh powerful assault tank this is not new

Yes, but was this tank using bloodspawn and still hitting resistance cap without bloodspawn proc? I mean nord will be able to run most dps-enhancing setup possible and still be durable enough.

2 protective pieces of jewelry gives you 93% of the value of the Nord's 3960 spell and physical resistance passive. 2 Infused pieces of jewelry with a weapon damage enchant gives you 81% of the value of the Orc's 258 weapon damage passive. And with all of this considered Orcs have the same health pool as Nords, but with 500 more stamina. Like I said, Nords are garbage next update.

J18696

Nord is hard to tell if it's good or not will probs have to wait till it hits live and war horns are not that hard to get up while tanking imperial having cheaper war horns will be a thing but I know a few healers that would roll nord for the ult gen

IronWooshu

Meh, I'm going to make a Redguard as a tank, in the end the Imperials 2k health will give them a slightly higher health pool but any race can reach 35k and that's all you really need. The Redguard has cheaper weapon costs than Imperial and the weapon is the taunt and with the Redguards natural stam regen you can literally permablock.

Bet I do it better than an Imperial as well.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

Yes...ahem, Nords are definitely overpowered.

Please nerf the Nords.

Sincerely,

An Imperial

Dear Imperial

Nords are fine where they are- except the drunken ones.

Sincerely, a Nord

satanio

Nord is good, but overrated.

Rungar

IronWooshu wrote: »

Meh, I'm going to make a Redguard as a tank, in the end the Imperials 2k health will give them a slightly higher health pool but any race can reach 35k and that's all you really need. The Redguard has cheaper weapon costs than Imperial and the weapon is the taunt and with the Redguards natural stam regen you can literally permablock.

Bet I do it better than an Imperial as well.

totally agree. In most cases the 950 stam/5 seconds & cheap taunts/heroic will trump everything else. Without a way to generate some stam while blocking nord wont even be in the running.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

The changes to Nords has made for some interesting tank combos. My sorc tank on PTS is among my favourites i've put together and wouldn't be possible without the changes, or rather would be a weaker tank without the changes.

I can make the same strength of tank in an Imperial too so it's not like the Nord is overpowered

Armann

Nord has been bottom tier for pretty much everything since launch, unfortunately that means they've lost their voice. You see plenty of threads arguing for buffs and changes for the other races.

With Nords they are silent. And you can't rely on class reps to advocate buffs for them, on the contrary, they even claim they're OP due to the ultimate regen. It's more of a curse than a buff. So now we are left with practically no changes to the race that was considered one of the worst.

I propose that you give us resource return and damage that scales with missing health instead of ult gen. Mechanically similar to Mark of the Pariah set. More useful since I rely on abilites every second, unlike ultimates.

Tasear

Armann wrote: »

Nord has been bottom tier for pretty much everything since launch, unfortunately that means they've lost their voice. You see plenty of threads arguing for buffs and changes for the other races.

With Nords they are silent. And you can't rely on class reps to advocate buffs for them, on the contrary, they even claim they're OP due to the ultimate regen. It's more of a curse than a buff. So now we are left with practically no changes to the race that was considered one of the worst.

I propose that you give us resource return and damage that scales with missing health instead of ult gen. Mechanically similar to Mark of the Pariah set. More useful since I rely on abilites every second, unlike ultimates.

That would be fun. Also maybe issue with Nord is because at top the power creep makes raw stats not as important? In turn let's assume they fix champion system. Then will issues with nords become more obvious?

Rungar

i actually think Nord requires 5% block and bash cost reduction to balance it out and 500 health for redguard and 1000 stam for Argonian. For Argonian i would of left the potion amount as on live and left the healing done and received the same as live as well.

so redguards have best stam regen while blocking and cheap weapon skills
imperials have low stam regen and low cost reduction on everything
nords have best cost reduction for blocking and the ultimate
argonians have the potion sustain and healing

thats fairly balanced to me.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Nord is now in a good spot overall i think. The resistances give rise to more unique setups in both PvE and PvP.

Outside of the meta life just got way more interesting with Nords.

Inside of the meta then of course the tanks will still be running setups like Ebon, Alkosh and (insert monster set here) but those monster set options just opened up a little more for Nord tanks.

In PvP Nord DK's just got a boost to the "kite and ult" playstyle most common among small scale and 1vX.

Some races got a "bad deal" but Nord isn't one of them. Not OP but no longer bottom of the stack.

josiahva

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IronWooshu wrote: »

Meh, I'm going to make a Redguard as a tank, in the end the Imperials 2k health will give them a slightly higher health pool but any race can reach 35k and that's all you really need. The Redguard has cheaper weapon costs than Imperial and the weapon is the taunt and with the Redguards natural stam regen you can literally permablock.

Bet I do it better than an Imperial as well.

totally agree. In most cases the 950 stam/5 seconds & cheap taunts/heroic will trump everything else. Without a way to generate some stam while blocking nord wont even be in the running.

lol, there are very few fights perma-blocking is required...you should only be blocking when needed, as for whether Nord is in the running or not I cant say yet