No one cares how much DPS Argonians do because they're good at everything else. ZOS is giving you 3 race change tokens. Use them and leave the Argonian race alone.👏 NOT EVERY RACE HAS TO BE A TOP PVE DPS RACE 👏
Buffing Argonians' offensive stats will inevitably lead to their utility passives being nerfed. Just race change your toon and leave the rest of us Argonians alone.
I would love to see this. Moving from that useless tank racials to something else. Tanks are minority of all players here and now argonians will have no chance to play anything else
But every race needs to be exactly matched in straight up boring as *** dps parses, down to the very last decimal because apparently that’s the only thing that matters in this game.ZOS didn’t say that every race would be perfectly matched for DPS. They said they wanted to even out the performance of each race while keep each races unique flavor and getting rid of percent stat boosts. They said do not expect a 1:1 conversion. This means toning down the DPS races that were at the top and bringing up the ones at the bottom and the same goes for tanking races. There’s no accounting for the willful ignorance going on with this patch release.
Argonian is:
Better tank than Imperial
Better healer than Imperial
Better Magicka DD than Imperial
Worse Stamina DD than Imperial
Better PvP choice than Imperial
Imperial is:
Worst Magicka DD
Worst Healer
6th place in Stamina DD
3th place in tanking.
So please tell me again, how the Imperial is better.
Argonian is:
Better tank than Imperial
Better healer than Imperial
Better Magicka DD than Imperial
Worse Stamina DD than Imperial
Better PvP choice than Imperial
Imperial is:
Worst Magicka DD
Worst Healer
6th place in Stamina DD
3th place in tanking.
So please tell me again, how the Imperial is better.
In PvP it is also overrated passive. What happens often is that you are low on stamina and you get stunned / cc-ed and you can not drink potion (even if it is off cooldown) while you are stunned. So relying solely on potion passive is basically a "noob trap" and most of the time you will end up dead fast if you do so.Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »In PvP, I'll admit it can come in handy. I don't pvp much with my argonian, but I do notice that I'm often restoring health, magicka, and stamina when I use a potion.
Dunmer has no sustain same with High elves unless the nerf is reverted, Khajiit has low sustain and crit is not something you want to bet on in healing, yes they can heal the same way an Argonian can do damage.Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »I agree that argonian DPS potential should be buffed in some way. Especially if you take into account that after next patch argonian will not be as good in tanking & healing roles.
Currently it is a BIS race for a tank role and good choice for a healer role. After next patch this will change and Argonian will be outpreformed by other Races.
So as a tank they will be outperformed by Nords, Imerials and possible even Redguards (most of the reason for that is that Argonians will be missing their +5% healing received bonus, while other races received numerous buffs).
As a Healer they will be outperformed by Bretons, High Elves, Dark Elves and even Khajiits (again, mostly because other races received numerous buffs that will outshine Argonian 6% bonus to healing done).
Argonians will still have some potential to be used in those roles (tank & healer) but the same can not be said about DPS role.
Princess_Ciri wrote: »Argonians are so strong in pvp (as any role) and make good tanks/healers in pve, I don't think you have much to complain about. The race is so strong it's basically broken.
I'd take the Argonian racials over the awful changes ZOS have made to High Elves in this PTS cycle (:
Princess_Ciri wrote: »Argonians are so strong in pvp (as any role) and make good tanks/healers in pve, I don't think you have much to complain about. The race is so strong it's basically broken.
I'd take the Argonian racials over the awful changes ZOS have made to High Elves in this PTS cycle (:
Dunmer has no sustain same with High elves unless the nerf is reverted, Khajiit has low sustain and crit is not something you want to bet on in healing, yes they can heal the same way an Argonian can do damage.Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »I agree that argonian DPS potential should be buffed in some way. Especially if you take into account that after next patch argonian will not be as good in tanking & healing roles.
Currently it is a BIS race for a tank role and good choice for a healer role. After next patch this will change and Argonian will be outpreformed by other Races.
So as a tank they will be outperformed by Nords, Imerials and possible even Redguards (most of the reason for that is that Argonians will be missing their +5% healing received bonus, while other races received numerous buffs).
As a Healer they will be outperformed by Bretons, High Elves, Dark Elves and even Khajiits (again, mostly because other races received numerous buffs that will outshine Argonian 6% bonus to healing done).
Argonians will still have some potential to be used in those roles (tank & healer) but the same can not be said about DPS role.
Bretons will be strong healers and also pretty sturdy who is nice.
Not saying Argonians should not get an damage bonus. Only reason not to give them it would be pvp balance.
argonians get a very small boost to magicka pool on live as well. So what OP is speaking to does not take into account what Argonians actually do get.
One cannot look at a specific passive in a vacuum as OP has done and make a proper comparison.
In other words, if OP rolled an Argonian on live thinking it was a great DPS race they have been doing it wrong all along.
Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »lol,
one want Argonian as DPS
https://legends-decks.com/card/125/preserveroftheroot
other want as Tank
and someone else want as Healer
Stop making such threads, Potion and healing nerf caused enough outrage!
This is ctrl+c/v? I see this on every your comment
well, you are doing same. Are not you?
No, my post are maybe all about argonians but there are different topics
Resourceful
Argonians are no tanks by lore
Give something to argonian dps (which was last week and other races were buffed but argonians got nothing in this way)
Etc
If you want you can find all my posts and post it here so others can see proof of what you said. I can, in return find at least 3 posts from last week when u used your copy answer
That's the part that bothers me, since when were Argonians ever tanks? Our stats have always been in int,agi, and speed, we had a handicap in endurance. Also we never had a bonus in restoration magic it was mysticism and illusion so how the hell are we such great healers? Yet we are the only race to have members hatched into the Dark Brotherhood as Shadowscales and trained to kill from a young age. Yet we end up being shoehorned into life saving roles like tank and healer. Don't even get me started on the idiotic and lore breaking idea to remove poison resistance.
Elder scrolls legends is lore breaking too. It came after eso and we know how they like to rewrite lore. Its just bad as eso.Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »lol,
one want Argonian as DPS
https://legends-decks.com/card/125/preserveroftheroot
other want as Tank
and someone else want as Healer
Stop making such threads, Potion and healing nerf caused enough outrage!
This is ctrl+c/v? I see this on every your comment
well, you are doing same. Are not you?
No, my post are maybe all about argonians but there are different topics
Resourceful
Argonians are no tanks by lore
Give something to argonian dps (which was last week and other races were buffed but argonians got nothing in this way)
Etc
If you want you can find all my posts and post it here so others can see proof of what you said. I can, in return find at least 3 posts from last week when u used your copy answer
That's the part that bothers me, since when were Argonians ever tanks? Our stats have always been in int,agi, and speed, we had a handicap in endurance. Also we never had a bonus in restoration magic it was mysticism and illusion so how the hell are we such great healers? Yet we are the only race to have members hatched into the Dark Brotherhood as Shadowscales and trained to kill from a young age. Yet we end up being shoehorned into life saving roles like tank and healer. Don't even get me started on the idiotic and lore breaking idea to remove poison resistance.
https://www.legends-decks.com/card/131/stalwartally
https://www.legends-decks.com/card/125/preserveroftheroot
Elder scrolls legends is lore breaking too. It came after eso and we know how they like to rewrite lore. Its just bad as eso.Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »lol,
one want Argonian as DPS
https://legends-decks.com/card/125/preserveroftheroot
other want as Tank
and someone else want as Healer
Stop making such threads, Potion and healing nerf caused enough outrage!
This is ctrl+c/v? I see this on every your comment
well, you are doing same. Are not you?
No, my post are maybe all about argonians but there are different topics
Resourceful
Argonians are no tanks by lore
Give something to argonian dps (which was last week and other races were buffed but argonians got nothing in this way)
Etc
If you want you can find all my posts and post it here so others can see proof of what you said. I can, in return find at least 3 posts from last week when u used your copy answer
That's the part that bothers me, since when were Argonians ever tanks? Our stats have always been in int,agi, and speed, we had a handicap in endurance. Also we never had a bonus in restoration magic it was mysticism and illusion so how the hell are we such great healers? Yet we are the only race to have members hatched into the Dark Brotherhood as Shadowscales and trained to kill from a young age. Yet we end up being shoehorned into life saving roles like tank and healer. Don't even get me started on the idiotic and lore breaking idea to remove poison resistance.
https://www.legends-decks.com/card/131/stalwartally
https://www.legends-decks.com/card/125/preserveroftheroot
Endurance wasnt argonian strong side, never. Agility, speed, inteligence. And these are not tank perks.
Elder scrolls legends is lore breaking too. It came after eso and we know how they like to rewrite lore. Its just bad as eso.Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »lol,
one want Argonian as DPS
https://legends-decks.com/card/125/preserveroftheroot
other want as Tank
and someone else want as Healer
Stop making such threads, Potion and healing nerf caused enough outrage!
This is ctrl+c/v? I see this on every your comment
well, you are doing same. Are not you?
No, my post are maybe all about argonians but there are different topics
Resourceful
Argonians are no tanks by lore
Give something to argonian dps (which was last week and other races were buffed but argonians got nothing in this way)
Etc
If you want you can find all my posts and post it here so others can see proof of what you said. I can, in return find at least 3 posts from last week when u used your copy answer
That's the part that bothers me, since when were Argonians ever tanks? Our stats have always been in int,agi, and speed, we had a handicap in endurance. Also we never had a bonus in restoration magic it was mysticism and illusion so how the hell are we such great healers? Yet we are the only race to have members hatched into the Dark Brotherhood as Shadowscales and trained to kill from a young age. Yet we end up being shoehorned into life saving roles like tank and healer. Don't even get me started on the idiotic and lore breaking idea to remove poison resistance.
https://www.legends-decks.com/card/131/stalwartally
https://www.legends-decks.com/card/125/preserveroftheroot
Endurance wasnt argonian strong side, never. Agility, speed, inteligence. And these are not tank perks.
Every single Elder Scrolls game is lore breaking. Don't you remember the times when Alduin was the nord version of Akatosh?
Twohothardware wrote: »The most overperforming Race that helped initiate the need to even rebalance Races isn't one of the top damage dealing races now? The nerve :P
Argonian will remain a top choice for healing and tanking and will be on the verge of OP in PvP due to the Resourceful passive.
We you complaining when 90% of tanks were Argonians because they were better suited for it?Argonian was never a DD race, it's always been bis for sustain/healing. That's part of the uniqueness of the race, not every race should have the exact same damage/healing/sustain capabilities. They should be good in some areas and weaker in others.
Thing is thre are better healers ( breton + altmer) better tanks ( Nord, redguard) and every race is better for dps.
How is this ballanced?
Kuramas9tails wrote: »We you complaining when 90% of tanks were Argonians because they were better suited for it?Argonian was never a DD race, it's always been bis for sustain/healing. That's part of the uniqueness of the race, not every race should have the exact same damage/healing/sustain capabilities. They should be good in some areas and weaker in others.
Thing is thre are better healers ( breton + altmer) better tanks ( Nord, redguard) and every race is better for dps.
How is this ballanced?
Silver_Strider wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »Argonians are so strong in pvp (as any role) and make good tanks/healers in pve, I don't think you have much to complain about. The race is so strong it's basically broken.
I'd take the Argonian racials over the awful changes ZOS have made to High Elves in this PTS cycle (:
Go make an Argonian and take him into PvP on both Live and PTS then get back to me and tell me Argonian are still top pick.
Silver_Strider wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »Argonians are so strong in pvp (as any role) and make good tanks/healers in pve, I don't think you have much to complain about. The race is so strong it's basically broken.
I'd take the Argonian racials over the awful changes ZOS have made to High Elves in this PTS cycle (:
Go make an Argonian and take him into PvP on both Live and PTS then get back to me and tell me Argonian are still top pick.
Argonians are insanely OP on live right now at least in PvP. They are the best race for even STAMINA on live, are you seriously defending the live version of it? The nerfs don't kill the class at all, to be honest for magicka builds I'd rate them 2nd best (behind breton).