Nerf Maelstrom Arena or give weapon drops on normal

codestripper

I will say this though, if @Gandork can bash his way through vMA I believe in you too

Eso101rus

hazelnuts wrote: »

So my problem is that for every good dps pve build you need either Maelstrom Staff or Maelstrom Bow. But to complete Veteran Maelstrom Arena you need kinda good dps. So how should you complete it when you dont have the weapons to do good dps?
My solution.... Nerf veteran Maelstrom Arena (maybe give bosses only half the hp they have now or give players who dont have a maelstrom weapon equiped a 20k dps buff) or make the weapons drop on normal Maelstrom Arena. So that we "noobs" also can get them.

Just ...,wow. I have no words.

Undefwun

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Feanor wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/457165/maelstrom-world-first-600k-with-ice-staves-only

Just leaving that here for perspective.

Well...to be completely fair to OP, that was done with a vMA Ice Staff

Ok how bout this then...

Gandork's "Bash only" clear.. posted a week ago, he's also done a light attack only clear.. among other things...

https://youtu.be/qw_RWyq1LRQ

codestripper

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codestripper wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/457165/maelstrom-world-first-600k-with-ice-staves-only

Just leaving that here for perspective.

Well...to be completely fair to OP, that was done with a vMA Ice Staff

Ok how bout this then...

Gandork's "Bash only" clear.. posted a week ago, he's also done a light attack only clear.. among other things...

https://youtu.be/qw_RWyq1LRQ

You're a little late to the party on that one too, I already linked it [see 2 posts above yours], but yes Gandork is extremely impressive. One of the best in vMA (also known as Gandork's house).

Undefwun

codestripper wrote: »

You're a little late to the party on that one too, I already linked it [see 2 posts above yours]

lol... well then.... I had to search for the vid... getting old (but I still cleared vMA haha)...

at least we had the same idea...

Agenericname

You dont need the vMA weapons to beat the arena. I've completed it dozens of times and have yet to use a vMA weapon in vMA.

I think there are some misconceptions about how much DPS those weapons account for and what is good DPS, and especially what DPS is needed to clear vMA.

Casdha wrote: »

Speaking of learning, how do you avoid the frost giant from busting the platforms? Trolls are easy just interrupt.

You don't need to avoid it as much as anticipate it. You know that she will break them at certain points, position yourself accordingly and move to the platform with the sigil that you want to use next. Save the defensive sigil and power sigil for the last platform. When she breaks the 2nd platform, run to the last platform, grab both sigils, burn her down.

Good luck!

Kalante

stam spriggans with hundings rage.

at least that was my ghetto build for vma when i beat it back in 2016.

codestripper

Kalante wrote: »

vma is a joke

This statement was both constructive and informative.

thorwyn

1. You don't *need* MA weapons.

2. When doing it for the first time, vMA is a challenge and the satisfaction of beating it is worth the effort

3. You can not expect everything to be toned down to absolute beginner level. If content is so easy that everyone can complete it on your first try, you might as well skip it completely and get the loot for free as a login reward.

hazelnuts

well, since so many of you are against to make vma easier for newer players. How about making it a 2man arena? So that newer player (like me) could go in there with someone of you vma pros.

codestripper

hazelnuts wrote: »

well, since so many of you are against to make vma easier for newer players. How about making it a 2man arena? So that newer player (like me) could go in there with someone of you vma pros.

UHG I WISH, I don't think you realize how long we've been wanting more 1 and 2 man arenas...

hazelnuts

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hazelnuts wrote: »

well, since so many of you are against to make vma easier for newer players. How about making it a 2man arena? So that newer player (like me) could go in there with someone of you vma pros.

UHG I WISH, I don't think you realize how long we've been wanting more 1 and 2 man arenas...

i dont think i understand what u mean? is it a bad idea or what?

Czekoludek

There are ppl who can beat it with no cp or with using only light attacks and you want to nerf it? Learn it like each one of us did

Agenericname

hazelnuts wrote: »

well, since so many of you are against to make vma easier for newer players. How about making it a 2man arena? So that newer player (like me) could go in there with someone of you vma pros.

Open a thread asking for help. It's one of the most helpful sub communities in the game. Standing over Voriak Solkyn's corpse for the first time is an awesome feeling. We all want to share that.

codestripper

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codestripper wrote: »

hazelnuts wrote: »

well, since so many of you are against to make vma easier for newer players. How about making it a 2man arena? So that newer player (like me) could go in there with someone of you vma pros.

UHG I WISH, I don't think you realize how long we've been wanting more 1 and 2 man arenas...

i dont think i understand what u mean? is it a bad idea or what?

No It's not a bad idea I'm serious, I literally was just about to write up a thread for an idea for the next kind of arena lol.

Now, making vMA a 2 man arena is ridiculous yeah, but making a new arena 2 man would be fine.

John_Falstaff

@hazelnuts , if you're playing stamina, then consider vet Dragonstar Arena. It's a 4-man, and from there, you can get Master bow, which will give you almost the same damage boost as vMA bow (with the caveat of being single target only, while vMA bow boosts AoE - but in most endgame fights, single target is all you focus on). In my tests, it was behind by 0.5-0.8k dps at most, and even then it might be just variance of parses, other people report almost no difference at all.

Ragged_Claw

I've not finished it, I'm at the last boss and am taking a break (It's been a four month break so far ). I used a one-bar pet build from Youtube and that helped me so much. I've done vet trials without the vma weapon so it's not vital to high-end content. I don't think it should be nerfed because I found that I improved tremendously in dungeons and trials after slogging away in Vma. It's not so much about having high damage as it is about learning mechanics, having situational awareness, learning which enemies to target first etc.

There are lots of really helpful guides, check out @Joy_Division on this forum. I seriously doubt ZoS will ever nerf it, especially as it is (allegedly) easier now with power creep. And despite the fact that I've been trying on and off for years to finish it, I don't want them to nerf it. I throw myself at it over and over again when I feel the need for a challenge. Don't be put off by L2P, git-gud or 'it's easy' comments either. It's not easy at all. Of course it seems easy when you've run it many times.

It's super frustrating, believe me I know, but take a nice long break, read some guides, watch some videos and come back to it fresh. It would be unfair on those who've previously beaten it to nerf it now anyway.

hazelnuts

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@hazelnuts , if you're playing stamina, then consider vet Dragonstar Arena. It's a 4-man, and from there, you can get Master bow, which will give you almost the same damage boost as vMA bow (with the caveat of being single target only, while vMA bow boosts AoE - but in most endgame fights, single target is all you focus on). In my tests, it was behind by 0.5-0.8k dps at most, and even then it might be just variance of parses, other people report almost no difference at all.

well try to find a group without maelstrom weapons. First Question that most people ask if you tell them that you havnt done dsa yet is whats your dps and did you completed vma....

codestripper

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John_Falstaff wrote: »

@hazelnuts , if you're playing stamina, then consider vet Dragonstar Arena. It's a 4-man, and from there, you can get Master bow, which will give you almost the same damage boost as vMA bow (with the caveat of being single target only, while vMA bow boosts AoE - but in most endgame fights, single target is all you focus on). In my tests, it was behind by 0.5-0.8k dps at most, and even then it might be just variance of parses, other people report almost no difference at all.

well try to find a group without maelstrom weapons. First Question that most people ask if you tell them that you havnt done dsa yet is whats your dps and did you completed vma....

are you on PC/NA? I'll help you out this weekend if you want.

MakeMeUhSamich

mairwen85 wrote: »

You can hit 35-40k dps without a vma weapon. This is plenty to do all content, including vma.

This.

Zathras

mairwen85 wrote: »

You can hit 35-40k dps without a vma weapon. This is plenty to do all content, including vma.

^ This. VMA is overrated, especially considering the grind and pain to get it. Is it nice? Sure. Is it needed? Absolutely not.

Undefwun

People need to start to realise that published builds are a guide not law.

Yes often they are the mathematically most efficient build, but that doesn't mean deviating from it makes you useless...

If you looked into the WHY gear and skills are used and placed instead of just blindly following WHAT the are using... it will go a long way into making you a better player...

As a DPS a practiced smooth rotation will also be of much more use to you than having this patch's "BiS" gear.
I know ppl that IMO are amazing at DPS yet they still spend hours going over their rotation to squeeze another lil bit out of it..

Knowledge of the game and mechanical practiced skill over the best gear any day... just happens that the former leads to having the latter....

Perwulf

I used to cry on this stuff when I'm still a noob but it turns out that I had to "git gud" and do a learning curve on how to dps the right way. Trust me, once you hit those numbers, practiced your reflexes, and memorized VMA, you'd ask yourself "why did I complain about this?"

frostz417

hazelnuts wrote: »

well, since so many of you are against to make vma easier for newer players. How about making it a 2man arena? So that newer player (like me) could go in there with someone of you vma pros.

This has to be the most absurd suggestion I have ever heard

Kuramas9tails

hazelnuts wrote: »

So my problem is that for every good dps pve build you need either Maelstrom Staff or Maelstrom Bow. But to complete Veteran Maelstrom Arena you need kinda good dps. So how should you complete it when you dont have the weapons to do good dps?
My solution.... Nerf veteran Maelstrom Arena (maybe give bosses only half the hp they have now or give players who dont have a maelstrom weapon equiped a 20k dps buff) or make the weapons drop on normal Maelstrom Arena. So that we "noobs" also can get them.

No.

I was by NO MEANS a big DPS player when I first beat V Maelstrom and I had Twice Born Star, Julianos and Skoria on. I was also a MageKhajiit (mageblade). I could barely beat normal for a the first couple of months MA came out.

You want to know the secret that got me better?

Light attack weaving and watch YT videos of others with my build.

Then it took me a month on and off to beat VMA. But, my boyfriend has more solid rotation and DPS. I can tell when we run dungeons together and he can't beat VMA because you know why? He gets bored of dying and retrying and does't find it fun. He has the DPS. He has better gear. He is by all means 100% better than me in DPS...but he can't clear it.

So moral of the story: fix rotation, watch videos, and keep trying.

It does not need to be nerfed at all.

myskyrim26

Why does one need vMA weapons? - To do vet content, maybe hard mode and all those crazy things for people who master the combat aspect of a game.
So, to enter the "club", one should pass a serious test. To complete a vMA. I think it is fair.

ankeor

Your solution? vMA does not need a solution because it is not thing that has problems, it is you have problems. And here is my solution for you. L2P.

ayu_fever

the weapons that currently drop in vma should now drop in normal maelstrom.
do this for dragonstar as well.

and then have stronger “perfected” weapons drop in vma.
this functions just like asylum and black rose.

some of us cant do vma so making a weaker version more accessible on normal mode does help out the casuals.
this should also be done in dlc dungeons for helmets because vet dlc are just too hard. normal mode is difficult enough and we casuals are locked out of those things too.

i would be ok with the items being locked to blue quality.

l33t players have their things to do and thats great they can do it. the deserve it.
however just throw us casual players a bone zos because you know... we casuals are 90% of your playerbase who spend money on subs and crown items... dont bite the hand that feeds you zos.

SoLooney

Lol, do people still whine about vma?

First off, the weapons arent going to make you a god at dps.

Good dps comes down mostly to the player. If you're a bad player, all the gear in the world wont help you

If you complain that much about vma, you dont need the weapons

Content is so old too, with 810 cp and really good gear, it's very doable. Also, theres a reason why theres flippin sigils....

Juju_beans

hazelnuts wrote: »

So my problem is that for every good dps pve build you need either Maelstrom Staff or Maelstrom Bow. But to complete Veteran Maelstrom Arena you need kinda good dps. So how should you complete it when you dont have the weapons to do good dps?
My solution.... Nerf veteran Maelstrom Arena (maybe give bosses only half the hp they have now or give players who dont have a maelstrom weapon equiped a 20k dps buff) or make the weapons drop on normal Maelstrom Arena. So that we "noobs" also can get them.

I disagree. I'm just starting my way through vMA and it's more of learning the mechanics then pure dps.