Where my Sorc Tanks at?

Emmagoldman

Just curious, why are so many of you replying as if they really want to discuss or share the class.

Bosco916

This is a Magsorc Tank. It utilizes fb snb and bb frost staff. If im blocking on fb and happen to run out of stam (which hadn't happened yet), I will swap to bb and block, using a different pool of resources. Self heals are done with blood magic and pet. With heavy armor passive and cp, my HAs restore quite abit of resource.

The only constructive criticism I've taken from any of you is to cut down resistances. Thank you.

Diminish

Bosco916 wrote: »

This is a Magsorc Tank. It utilizes fb snb and bb frost staff. If im blocking on fb and happen to run out of stam (which hadn't happened yet), I will swap to bb and block, using a different pool of resources. Self heals are done with blood magic and pet. With heavy armor passive and cp, my HAs restore quite abit of resource.

The only constructive criticism I've taken from any of you is to cut down resistances. Thank you.

You want to show off this build of yours, go tank vBF last boss or vMHK and post a video. The fact that you are running 40k+ resistances on your tank should be a clear indication that you should probably take into consideration ALL of the other feedback that was given to you.

... or, you know, continue to be a condescending a**hole to everyone who provided you with very legitimate feedback about your "oh so secret" sorc tank build. Honestly though, why did you even create this post?

zvavi

well i understood from this whole thing is that you mainly use frost staff bar, while buffs and stamina taunt on the s/b bar. it is generally fine, if you can make it work.
i am against dark deal/ the other morph anyway, because of the case time, if you have time to use it, why not just heavy attack? and slot a better skill?
try tri stat enchants on your big pieces for more resource pool (i feel like u got health everywhere), and yes. 45k resistances are way above cap. 33k is the same as 100k for the sake of the argument, 50% reduction, and i wouldnt drop lord warden, because it is a supportive set, but if you want to drop it, i will recommend the monster set that is coming out soon, it feels like it will be very strong for selfish tanks, but u know, selfish tanks survive better.
i smell Mark of the Pariah+torug's pact.or something similar.drop mark. put some cp in heavy armor focus to be close to 33k (since icestaff is your main bar be sure that you have those resistances when you are on it, and not when you are on sword and board, nirnhorned on small pieces or reinforced on big pieces might help with it, not sure how good it is, never used those traits).

but i agree with what one of the previous posters said, u gotta give us more information if you want help. unless you came here to brag, and then congrats.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

@Bosco916 hi can you pls tell me what sets ur using? and what enchants? I would have asked for a superstar screenshot but it seems that you are on consoles...

Bosco916

zvavi wrote: »

well i understood from this whole thing is that you mainly use frost staff bar, while buffs and stamina taunt on the s/b bar. it is generally fine, if you can make it work.
i am against dark deal/ the other morph anyway, because of the case time, if you have time to use it, why not just heavy attack? and slot a better skill?
try tri stat enchants on your big pieces for more resource pool (i feel like u got health everywhere), and yes. 45k resistances are way above cap. 33k is the same as 100k for the sake of the argument, 50% reduction, and i wouldnt drop lord warden, because it is a supportive set, but if you want to drop it, i will recommend the monster set that is coming out soon, it feels like it will be very strong for selfish tanks, but u know, selfish tanks survive better.
i smell Mark of the Pariah+torug's pact.or something similar.drop mark. put some cp in heavy armor focus to be close to 33k (since icestaff is your main bar be sure that you have those resistances when you are on it, and not when you are on sword and board, nirnhorned on small pieces or reinforced on big pieces might help with it, not sure how good it is, never used those traits).

but i agree with what one of the previous posters said, u gotta give us more information if you want help. unless you came here to brag, and then congrats.

Thanks for your respectful input. I will take to heart the dark conversion thoughts. And i like the tri glyphs idea. No pariah and no torugs pact. Sry, I'm just not ready to divulge the sets just yet ><`

Diminish

Bosco916 wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

Honestly though, why did you even create this post?

To trigger you.

You're sadly mistaken if you think you "triggered" me over this post. You seem awfully full of yourself tonight. Enjoy your selfish tank sorc build my man, god knows you aren't providing any group support (no, lord warden doesn't count... biggest waste of a set in the game) since if you did you'd be a pile of dust and a waste of a soul gem for your teammates constantly.

zvavi

Interesting, torug btw is a great set for debuff so you should use it, also easy to get 1 light 1 medium on the smaller pieces (gloves and belt) like this, so you will lose less resistances when using it. I am just trying to understand how you got to the resistances to help you change what is needed. If you are wearing 7 heavy switching to 5 h 1 m 1 l can help with resources (undaunted passive op) but ye, can't try to help you anymore without more info, good luck
Edit: But ye, minor prophecy is important, if I would try making my sorcerer a tank, I would try getting it through Crystal fragments though, cheap heal with no cast time (only when procs), maybe make it work with mines (I am still against dark deal)

Bosco916

Diminish wrote: »

god knows you aren't providing any group support since if you did you'd be a pile of dust and a waste of a soul gem for your teammates constantly.

That's not true, I grant minor prophecy to allies for 20s! I am Kind!

D0PAMINE

Lord Warden, Fortified Brass and Footman maybe? Or Hatchlings Shell?

Bosco916

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Lord Warden, Fortified Brass and Footman maybe? Or Hatchlings Shell?

Good guesses, got Lord Warden right...but, gonna switch it out with Swarm Mother.

Bosco916

Ahh it was fun seeing some of y'alls guesses. Here are the sets:
Warrior Poet and Armor Master.

Diminish

Bosco916 wrote: »

Ahh it was fun seeing some of y'alls guesses. Here are the sets:
Warrior Poet and Armor Master.

Like I said, selfish tank build. Perfect for all those normal dungeons. Hope the DD's you run with are spec'd with a lot of penetration.

Ohhgrizyyy

Why would you need that much HP? I can see why Dk's would to give their group shields but Sorc tank doesnt have this so what's the point? Need higher regens, Stam still needs to be higher then mag so when you activate the synergy from orbs or shards it gives back stam

Ohhgrizyyy

And he's definitely using Brass and probably like 1 piece warden/pirate skelly/chudan and another piece of 1 of the 3 to get the extra 1 piece resist buff

Ohhgrizyyy

Nvm I looked up and saw the sets. Exactly what @Diminish said. You're build is selfish and gives no group help. Its almost like you just made a build "Lets see how high I can get my HP and resists"

It honestly does nothing for your team m8. Ice staff on backbar if you can make work great. I can tell you SnB x2 in veteran HM trials is better and can also tell you that you're regens are too low. Having to drop block to use dark deal/dark conversion? Thats a huge risk and not getting damn near 1 shot. Only thing you're useful for is keeping your healer busy and awake and also getting huge implosion procs when the boss is low hp cause it scales off max hp, But that passive is being removed next patch so...Not trying to be toxic. I'm being realistic

lokulin

Here is a (my) sorc tank for you:





Bit more of a standard tanking setup and can be switched to be a stam sorc DD with a gear and mundus change for doing overland content.

Can tank most vet HM content. Have only done a few vet craglorn trials tho as I am not really big in to trials (tanking or otherwise).

edit: CP layout might be a bit different from that load out now as that screenshot is from a while ago.
edit 2: forgot to mention I can switch out my food for more magicka or magicka regen for fights that work best with lots of healing rather than blocking.

Tasear

Reporting in proud Sorcs tank owner. It's my favorite class to tank on in game.

Ohhgrizyyy

lokulin wrote: »

Here is a (my) sorc tank for you:





Bit more of a standard tanking setup and can be switched to be a stam sorc DD with a gear and mundus change for doing overland content.

Can tank most vet HM content. Have only done a few vet craglorn trials tho as I am not really big in to trials (tanking or otherwise).

See this is a decent setup and has good utility, I applaud you sir. Only thing I would consider is making dropping absorb magic on backbar and dropping chudan and maybe going with lightning form/hurricane and hell maybe you could drop mag recovery on jewelry(assuming thats what you're running) and throwing on chokethorn/shadowrend for some recovery and putting block cost reduction on jewelry

lokulin

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

lokulin wrote: »

Here is a (my) sorc tank for you:





Bit more of a standard tanking setup and can be switched to be a stam sorc DD with a gear and mundus change for doing overland content.

Can tank most vet HM content. Have only done a few vet craglorn trials tho as I am not really big in to trials (tanking or otherwise).

See this is a decent setup and has good utility, I applaud you sir. Only thing I would consider is making dropping absorb magic on backbar and dropping chudan and maybe going with lightning form/hurricane and hell maybe you could drop mag recovery on jewelry(assuming thats what you're running) and throwing on chokethorn/shadowrend for some recovery and putting block cost reduction on jewelry

Thanks. I change around my bar setup a bit for different content. I usually put absorption field on the back bar for trash mobs and some extra healing or shield charge when a gap closer is needed. The bar setup shown is mostly for when I am being lazy and just doing a random daily vet dungeon. Same skill on both bars means less brain work required. I've tried block cost and potion speed glyphs but find the magicka recovery most useful especially in the newer dungeons where you still take lots of damage and need to spam the clanfear more regularly. I am open to trying some different helms but haven't quite got around to finding them in the correct traits/weights. I'm also considering trying ice or shock staff on the back bar but the probability of running with another magicka user that can put down blockade/unstable wall is usually pretty good.

lokulin

Tasear wrote: »

Reporting in proud Sorcs tank owner. It's my favorite class to tank on in game.

Would love to compare your setup with mine then!

D0PAMINE

lokulin wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Reporting in proud Sorcs tank owner. It's my favorite class to tank on in game.

Would love to compare your setup with mine then!

I had a PvP style Sorc Lightning Tank with Stormfist, Thunderbug and Shackle. Double S&B it was extremely fun to play. Hurrikaan Panzer.

RavenSworn

Pet sorc tank here. Swap out the pets accordingly, depending on what the group or dungeon require. Mostly self sustain, not a hint of dark deal even. I do block with both SnB and Frost staff, bound armor helps alot with stamina block. My magicka pool is higher than stamina, to accommodate more shields and cc. I provide synergies as well with flood and/or mystic orb, gives me good initial aoe aggro as well.

In a trial, I love the healers to be the ones doing the Warhorn pumping because I usually use shield ult to restore stamina. But I'm good with doing it myself if need be. Gear is really basic imo, Imperium + Dragon guard with Lord Warden. Planning to change dragon guard with the new mighty set, that one is a real op tank set imo. I can swap lord warden with bloodspawn for even better ult gen.

So all in all I have:

group resistance buff (once the new set comes in but I still have it with lord warden right now),
block mitigation sustain,
synergies,
perma block due to shield ult spam,
group minor prophecy,
a little bit of group healing if I use twilight,
aoe snares and hard cc,
group magicka recovery.

Optional stuff would be group berserk with atronach, more snares with destro ult. In a base game vet, I swap frost with lightning for faster clears. Hell, I even tried the knightmare set for giggles and it works like a charm with the aoe minor maim.

One of the better tank classes with regards to magicka tanking imo.

Thraben

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

lokulin wrote: »

Here is a (my) sorc tank for you:





Bit more of a standard tanking setup and can be switched to be a stam sorc DD with a gear and mundus change for doing overland content.

Can tank most vet HM content. Have only done a few vet craglorn trials tho as I am not really big in to trials (tanking or otherwise).

See this is a decent setup and has good utility, I applaud you sir. Only thing I would consider is making dropping absorb magic on backbar and dropping chudan and maybe going with lightning form/hurricane and hell maybe you could drop mag recovery on jewelry(assuming thats what you're running) and throwing on chokethorn/shadowrend for some recovery and putting block cost reduction on jewelry

You could drop Inner Fire and bound armaments on one bar, and equip a Frost staff, Energy Orbs, and Bone Shield instead, so that you have some group utility. Requires quick reactions, though.

lokulin

Thraben wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

lokulin wrote: »

Here is a (my) sorc tank for you:





Bit more of a standard tanking setup and can be switched to be a stam sorc DD with a gear and mundus change for doing overland content.

Can tank most vet HM content. Have only done a few vet craglorn trials tho as I am not really big in to trials (tanking or otherwise).

See this is a decent setup and has good utility, I applaud you sir. Only thing I would consider is making dropping absorb magic on backbar and dropping chudan and maybe going with lightning form/hurricane and hell maybe you could drop mag recovery on jewelry(assuming thats what you're running) and throwing on chokethorn/shadowrend for some recovery and putting block cost reduction on jewelry

You could drop Inner Fire and bound armaments on one bar, and equip a Frost staff, Energy Orbs, and Bone Shield instead, so that you have some group utility. Requires quick reactions, though.

Agree although I'd add quick reactions and a decent ping to the server. Neither of which I have. I reckon with a less lag I'd be able to provide more group utility as you say, but the way it is at the moment I find it better to stay alive. Too many deaths due to missing a one shot mechanic even tho it looked like I blocked or dodged it on my side fast enough.

Schattenfluegel

https://imgur.com/a/FXzrhe6

Thats my Sorctank. Its a magickabased Shield-Stacking Tank, i am healing with critsurge + hurricane. Ressouredrain via Deep Thoughts and Dark Exchange.

I am wearing Seducer and the Yokeda set, which heals if you block + Swarmmother.

Ohtimbar

The health and resists are just a waste. Turn them into useful resources and prosper. Or don't. Your call.

LioraValkyrie

Sorc tank main here. (Altmer forever, because lore.) I played DK tank for a year before getting into the sorc, and honestly think the sorc has a stronger toolkit overall. Sure the DK has a few unique tricks, but the sorc has even more once you learn how to use them.

I consider my build to be (pet) magsorc, since the only stamina skill I use is usually Pierce, sometimes Heroic Slash, though I don't use shields. In terms of stats, I feel most comfortable with 40k-42k health. Max magicka and stamina values literally do not matter, so long as stamina is higher than magicka - at least on one bar. This is achieved by slotting Bound Aegis on my S/B bar. Honestly, 14k stam and mag are plenty (for vHoF, vCR, vBRP, vMoShm, etc., I'm not talking random normals) so long as your magicka recovery is as high as possible, 2k+. To achieve this in 7 heavy, I run 3x magicka recovery glyphs, Orgorza's Frothgar and Atronach mundus.

Depending on group composition, I generally wear Galenwe or Livewire body. They are both tanky sets with good utility. I use 3 Alkosh jewellery (1 protective, 2 healthy) and either an Alkosh lightning or frost staff with infused crusher. Always swap to back bar to hit synergies. Front bar I use Master's S/B. Monster set is flexible - Chudan if I need a lot of CC (because free slot) or the monsters hit like trucks, Lord Warden if fights are fairly static, Swarm Mother's (possibly replacing body for Fortified Brass) for a few specific fights like vBRP 3rd boss.

Bar setup is usually: S/B - Pierce Armour, Restraining Prison, Clannfear, Bound Aegis, Silver Leash, (ult) Temporal Guard / Staff - Inner Rage, Blockade, Clannfear, Dark Deal, Ball of Lightning, (ult) Aggressive Warhorn. Swap in Heroic Slash for Prison if there is nothing to immobilize. I actively use Bound Aegis against boss HAs, which typically take me to 70-80% health while it's up. This 3 second window of uber-toughness prevents being comboed in the hardest fights, such as where a HA takes you to 40% health, followed by an 8k bleed tick, a 5k DoT tick and a couple of random ad LAs all land within 1 second of the HA and collectively 'one-shot' you.

I will go out on a limb and say that Ball of Lightning is the most uniquely powerful tank skill in the game. Anyone running a sorc tank should try it if they're not already using it. In newer content where mobility is key, it allows for perfect stacking, miraculous escapes and generally being exactly where you need to be exactly when you need to be there. Restraining Prison is pretty OP as well, allowing you to permanently immobilize groups of ads from a distance while kite-stacking unpullable ads or avoiding red circles of insta-death. In addition to the Clannfear being amongst the strongest self-heals in the game, he will grant you 8% max health and allow you to cheese your group back from the brink of a wipe by attracting aggro (after a short period of its attacking the target while your character does not) while you sneak in a res.

Hope some sorc tanks found this useful. I'm going to YouTube my build pretty soon, but this is the gist of it.

Grianasteri

I am interested to see how you have achieved such high stats across the board? Resistances are off the scale, as is your health, but you still have about 20k stam and magica? Very impressive, I would like to know how.

Can you explain your sets, traits and enchants?

Cheers

Dubhliam

This guys comes here to "show off" his ultra duper secret sorc tank build, but rejects any and all advice some of the best tanks in the world have to give him.

Guys, you can't help someone that does not want to change.

/close thread