Where my Sorc Tanks at?

Bosco916

paulsimonps

That is WAY too much Resistance, like WAY to much.

Ohhgrizyyy

Too much resist by alot. Too much hp. You want more stam then magicka no matter what tank build it is. Regens are stupid low. Not trying to be toxic, Just telling the truth

Bosco916

Y'all must not know how magsorc tank works. I can understand "too much resist," but too much hp? Get out.

paulsimonps

Bosco916 wrote: »

Y'all must not know how magsorc tank works. I can understand "too much resist," but too much hp? Get out.

I mean in PvE there is a clear cap on resistance, anything more than 33,100 is useless. What sets are you wearing anyway? Though the HP thing is a taste difference, but I will agree with grizyyy that you should have more stamina than magicka regardless of mag sorc tanking, you will want the synergies from Shards and Orbs to give you stamina not magicka.

Psyonico

My sorc tank sits at around 51k hp, and he is very good. Trade out some of that resist for something else and get your stamina a little higher than your magic

Bosco916

What if I block with Ice Staff back bar and only use front bar snb for pierce armor? Why do I need more stam than mag?

karekiz

Sorc tank here, and I generally run more "tanky" than most, but the stats listed are overkill for PvE <Dunno about PvP>. You can drop down to about 30K resists and allocate the CP somewhere else <I am assuming thats how you got that high>. Generally you don't use mag pool to tank because most of your skills that use mag are on a higher priority if that makes sense. CC / Orbs <if you use that> / most important - self heal.

Bosco916

karekiz wrote: »

You can drop down to about 30K resists and allocate the CP somewhere else.

Spoiler alert: no points used to increase resistances.

Diminish

Bosco916 wrote: »

karekiz wrote: »

You can drop down to about 30K resists and allocate the CP somewhere else.

Spoiler alert: no points used to increase resistances.

So drop Chudan and use a different monster helm

Bosco916

Diminish wrote: »

So drop Chudan and use a different monster helm

Lol Noted, I will drop Lord Warden.

Caligamy_ESO

Personally I try to aim for around 28k resistance and favor the Bloodspawn set to cover the difference, hooked on that ult generation bad.. lol

paulsimonps

Bosco916 wrote: »

What if I block with Ice Staff back bar and only use front bar snb for pierce armor? Why do I need more stam than mag?

Then I would suggest you not do that...... Having blocking cost magicka is a bad idea. A lot of tanks use Ice Staff for back bar but almost all who do specifically do not use the passive that makes it cost magicka. Also again, what sets and gear are you running, the stats you showed us shows very little about your build.

Bosco916

paulsimonps wrote: »

the stats you showed us shows very little about your build.

I know! Isn't it wonderous?

AlienatedGoat

• 20k mag, 19k stam.
• 50k HP.
• 45k spell res, 41k phys res.
• 693 mag recovery.

U wot?

Mr_Walker

How the hell do you get numbers like that?

Bosco916

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

• 693 mag recovery.

U wot?

You don't need recovery with HA snb and dark conversion. Cmon

Bosco916

Mr_Walker wrote: »

How the hell do you get numbers like that?

Which numbers exactly?

validifyedneb18_ESO

Tank sorcs are fundamentally StamSorcs, and are therefore almost certainly all ***.

Current state of stamsorcs everybody.

AlienatedGoat

Bosco916 wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

• 693 mag recovery.

U wot?

You don't need recovery with HA snb and dark conversion. Cmon

Disagree. Highly. Dark Exchange isn't enough to carry sorc tanks through vet trials (I say this as a support main with tanks in every class that pretty much lives in vet).

You're sacrificing your main pool (stamina) to replenish your secondary pool (magicka), when you should be passively regenning your secondary pool with magicka recovery and using heavy attacks and possibly Dark Deal to manage your primary pool.

Besides, you'd be much better off using Balance for magicka gain. Since you've got that 50k HP, you might as well actually use it.

Edit: And with Dark Deal, you basically get endless sustain. Though you definitely don't need 50k to do this - you can make do with 30-35k depending on your level of skill.

Bosco916

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Bosco916

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Tank sorcs are fundamentally StamSorcs, and are therefore almost certainly all ***.

False.

nihirisutou

I wonder what the point is of making a thread if you're going to reply with obnoxious cocky sarcasm to every comment.

But good job.

Bosco916

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

Bosco916 wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

• 693 mag recovery.

U wot?

You don't need recovery with HA snb and dark conversion. Cmon

Disagree. Highly. Dark Exchange isn't enough to carry sorc tanks through vet trials (I say this as a support main with tanks in every class that pretty much lives in vet).

You're sacrificing your main pool (stamina) to replenish your secondary pool (magicka), when you should be passively regenning your secondary pool with magicka recovery and using heavy attacks and possibly Dark Deal to manage your primary pool.

Besides, you'd be much better off using Balance for magicka gain. Since you've got that 50k HP, you might as well actually use it.

Edit: And with Dark Deal, you basically get endless sustain. Though you definitely don't need 50k to do this - you can make do with 30-35k depending on your level of skill.

I disagree. Stamina is not a "main" pool for tanks.

Bosco916

nihirisutou wrote: »

I wonder what the point is of making a thread if you're going to reply with obnoxious cocky sarcasm to every comment.

But good job.

Thanks. These responses are directed to naysayers who seem to be under the impression that there is only one way to tank.

AlienatedGoat

Bosco916 wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

Bosco916 wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

• 693 mag recovery.

U wot?

You don't need recovery with HA snb and dark conversion. Cmon

Disagree. Highly. Dark Exchange isn't enough to carry sorc tanks through vet trials (I say this as a support main with tanks in every class that pretty much lives in vet).

You're sacrificing your main pool (stamina) to replenish your secondary pool (magicka), when you should be passively regenning your secondary pool with magicka recovery and using heavy attacks and possibly Dark Deal to manage your primary pool.

Besides, you'd be much better off using Balance for magicka gain. Since you've got that 50k HP, you might as well actually use it.

Edit: And with Dark Deal, you basically get endless sustain. Though you definitely don't need 50k to do this - you can make do with 30-35k depending on your level of skill.

I disagree. Stamina is not a "main" pool for tanks.

Yes, it most certainly is for SnB tanks.

Just because you have a split pool doesn't mean that one doesn't take priority over the other. Magicka is used for utility, but Stamina is used primarily for blocking.

Run out of stamina when you need block up and you're going down like a sack of potatoes mate. Tanks don't run sturdy and block cost redux for nothing.

nihirisutou

Bosco916 wrote: »

nihirisutou wrote: »

I wonder what the point is of making a thread if you're going to reply with obnoxious cocky sarcasm to every comment.

But good job.

Thanks. These responses are directed to naysayers who seem to be under the impression that there is only one way to tank.

I'm not lashing out to Tanks or you at all in general. But basically if you keep up a taunt and don't spasm / know when to block.

Then it doesn't really matter what you're doing. But the fact that one doesn't die / keeps up taunt / blocks in time so the boss stays at fixed location (for whenever that's possible) doesn't mean that they're Tank is as optimized as it could be.

AlienatedGoat

Bosco916 wrote: »

nihirisutou wrote: »

I wonder what the point is of making a thread if you're going to reply with obnoxious cocky sarcasm to every comment.

But good job.

Thanks. These responses are directed to naysayers who seem to be under the impression that there is only one way to tank.

There are many ways to build a tank but there's only one way to build a tank to tank well.

Your SnB block uses stamina and you have your stamina pool below your magicka one. That means resource return synergies gives magicka, not stamina. Add to that your usage of Dark Conversion, which sacrifices stamina for magicka. Your block cost redux is probably not up to standards either.

That is a very large strain on your stamina, which translates to you running out very quickly in hard content, which means you'll drop block often, which again translates to you dropping like a sack of potatoes.

Bosco916

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

Bosco916 wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

Bosco916 wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

• 693 mag recovery.

U wot?

You don't need recovery with HA snb and dark conversion. Cmon

Disagree. Highly. Dark Exchange isn't enough to carry sorc tanks through vet trials (I say this as a support main with tanks in every class that pretty much lives in vet).

You're sacrificing your main pool (stamina) to replenish your secondary pool (magicka), when you should be passively regenning your secondary pool with magicka recovery and using heavy attacks and possibly Dark Deal to manage your primary pool.

Besides, you'd be much better off using Balance for magicka gain. Since you've got that 50k HP, you might as well actually use it.

Edit: And with Dark Deal, you basically get endless sustain. Though you definitely don't need 50k to do this - you can make do with 30-35k depending on your level of skill.

I disagree. Stamina is not a "main" pool for tanks.

Yes, it most certainly is for SnB tanks.

Just because you have a split pool doesn't mean that one doesn't take priority over the other. Magicka is used for utility, but Stamina is used primarily for blocking.

Run out of stamina when you need block up and you're going down like a sack of potatoes mate. Tanks don't run sturdy and block cost redux for nothing.

Split pool because two different weapon types.*

AlienatedGoat

Bosco916 wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

Bosco916 wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

Bosco916 wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

• 693 mag recovery.

U wot?

You don't need recovery with HA snb and dark conversion. Cmon

Disagree. Highly. Dark Exchange isn't enough to carry sorc tanks through vet trials (I say this as a support main with tanks in every class that pretty much lives in vet).

You're sacrificing your main pool (stamina) to replenish your secondary pool (magicka), when you should be passively regenning your secondary pool with magicka recovery and using heavy attacks and possibly Dark Deal to manage your primary pool.

Besides, you'd be much better off using Balance for magicka gain. Since you've got that 50k HP, you might as well actually use it.

Edit: And with Dark Deal, you basically get endless sustain. Though you definitely don't need 50k to do this - you can make do with 30-35k depending on your level of skill.

I disagree. Stamina is not a "main" pool for tanks.

Yes, it most certainly is for SnB tanks.

Just because you have a split pool doesn't mean that one doesn't take priority over the other. Magicka is used for utility, but Stamina is used primarily for blocking.

Run out of stamina when you need block up and you're going down like a sack of potatoes mate. Tanks don't run sturdy and block cost redux for nothing.

Split pool because two different weapon bars.

Well if you're running frost staff backbar, that's your preference. It also makes me question why you wouldn't put that information in your OP.

But even double SnB still uses a split pool. Tanks are the only viable endgame hybrid in the game, and it's out of necessity.

ErilAq

I've played Sorcerer almost any way imaginable, and I can confirm, your resistances are way overkill, health is unnecessarily high (not overly detrimental, but not needed) and you need more stamina than magicka. As Alienated Goat has mentioned, being unable to block a hard hitting ability will translate to you taking way more damage than needed.

Even if you survive due to your health, you're putting unnecessary strain on the healer to keep you up, which I'm sure is frustrating for them. I totally understand wanting to keep your build "secret" but I'm not sure if you're asking for help or attempting to brag. If it's the first, then we will need more info, even if it's only the abilities you run. If it's the second, well, all I can say is there's room for improvement, but as long as you have fun and are not in my group, go for it!