PTS Update 21 - Feedback Thread for Housing

Elara_Northwind

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CaffeinatedMayhem

One other note: Please change the preview for Dwarven Lights, Heavy. In the current view it looks like something you step on, a switch maybe? It's not obvious that it's overhead lighting until you can actually turn the item over and see the lights.

Please update Furnishers documents too. Add CWC, Alinor, Ayleid and Dwemer plans. Please, before Elsweyr drops and we're on to another year of farming someplace new. PLEASE.

Aliyavana

Please add more dwemer furniture to fill the dwemer house with (and no, clockwork is not dwemer)

Please reduce the dwemer frames needed to craft dwemer furniture

Ertosi

For General Feedback, there's a concerning thread about some players hitting Memory issues when redecorating full houses on PTS: PTS: Housing Memory Cap

Not sure what could have changed in the PTS to be making some players hit the memory cap before filling all of their housing slots. Perhaps it could be related to whatever was done to correct the unsuable crafting station bug that was mentioned in the PTS patch notes? I hope this issue only pertains to the PTS version and doesn't make it to the live version.

Carbonised

Ertosi wrote: »

For General Feedback, there's a concerning thread about some players hitting Memory issues when redecorating full houses on PTS: PTS: Housing Memory Cap

Not sure what could have changed in the PTS to be making some players hit the memory cap before filling all of their housing slots. Perhaps it could be related to whatever was done to correct the unsuable crafting station bug that was mentioned in the PTS patch notes? I hope this issue only pertains to the PTS version and doesn't make it to the live version.

@ZOS_GinaBruno some players have reported a "memory" issue of houses on the PTS that is not on live. Could you please confirm whether this is an isolated PTS issue, of if you have implemented something that will go live? Imagine the outcry and uproar if people find out they cannot even place items until the extremely low item cap of 700 in their large homes, homes they bought for 100s of dollars or more.

Housing certainly did NOT need more limitations on furniture than we already have, so could you please adress this issue and explain to us what's going on here?

reoskit

I was with a friend on PTS who had the same issue.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/533747160332763156/537071395407134720/Screenshot_20190121_194911.png

Universe

What did you think of the two homes currently on the PTS for testing?
I only tested Elinhir Private Arena since this home is more appealing to me.
Overall, the arena is great and full of wonderful traps to step upon
The small living quarters, balconies and the open space + lava are nice extra features.

Specifically for the Elinhir Private Arena, what did you think of the lever-activated hazards? How responsive were these hazards, and did they feel impactful? What’s your feedback on the damage they provided and their positioning?

The traps can be easily avoided even if all 3 traps are active.
Though if dueling in the arena while all the traps are active, it's a bit overkill.
The oblivion damage and the high impact damage is a bit too much.
So if one is willing to duel in the arena, using only 1 or 2 traps is more than enough for a fair challenge.
3 traps can be used for raid groups training purposes to hone the situational awareness of the players.
One can also use the 3 traps to get better in reacting to challenges.

Did you like the new furnishings?
They are fine.

Do you have any other general feedback?
Yes.
I recommend increasing the furnishings cap in all homes by increasing the basic and ESO plus limits and/or adding service tokens in the crown store for increasing the maximum amount of furnishings allowed in a home.
Many players, me included have asked countless times to increase the furnishings limit in all types of homes.
Elinhir Private Arena, very much like Grand Topal Hideaway and other unique homes should have a much higher furnishings cap so players will be able to design their home according to their own personal view.

My suggestion of increasing the furnishings cap(new values below):
1. Notable home - No ESO Plus: 1,000 furnishings, ESO Plus: 2,000
2. Large home - No ESO Plus: 600 furnishings, ESO Plus: 1,200
3. Medium home - No ESO Plus: 400 furnishings, ESO Plus: 800
4. Small home - No ESO Plus: 200 furnishings, ESO Plus: 400
5. Apartment home - No ESO Plus: 100 furnishings, ESO Plus: 200
6. Inn home - No ESO Plus: 30 furnishings, ESO Plus: 60

Also, Crown Store service tokens for increasing furnishings cap per individual home:
1. Very large furnishings pack - 200 increase to limit.
2. Large furnishings pack - 100 increase to limit.
3. Medium furnishings pack - 50 increase to limit.
4. Small furnishings pack - 25 increase to limit.
5. Tiny furnishings pack - 10 increase to limit.

*Each home will have its own furnishings cap per its size.
Buying the furnishings service tokens will be limited.

Vilhjálmur

Please add more furnishing slots to both of these houses, specially the dwemer one, the game is lacking plenty of dwemer furnishing and the ones that are in the game are super rare drops that are wayyy too expensive.

It would be great if we could farm for these houses seeing how all the recent houses are crown exclusive, if we can't pay gold for it at least make the houses giftable so people can buy it from other players that sell crowns, I honestly don't understand why every other item in the crown store is giftable except player houses and a proper explanation has never been given to us as to why we can't gift them or even why we can't even get more furnishing slots, I strongly agree with the comment above me, you guys should give us more slots even if we have to purchase them with crowns, i'm sure a lot of people and me included would buy these upgrades, what is the point of having a lot of furnishing if there isn't enough slots for the houses?

Also can we have more unique furnishing? plenty of people and me included have been asking for weapons and armor that you can place in your home, specially with the coming of that dwemer forge furnishing pack it would be fitting to be able to also add in armor stands or weapon racks

Jthomas56

@ZOS_GinaBruno

[*] Did you like the new furnishings?
I am excited about new Dwemer furnishings. My only concern is with Dwemer furnishing recipes; using 14 Dwemer frames on a single piece of furniture is insanely expensive.

[*] Do you have any other general feedback?

As a future Necromancer I would like the ability to animate Flesh Colossus (51 million HP) and Flesh Attronach (25 million HP) target dummies in my house. Just giving us other options to fit with the themes of our houses that aren't Dwemer ruins.

I play on Xbox so I have not tested the furnishings on PTS, but I have watched 5 or so videos showcasing the new stuff so that is what my opinion is based on.

Elara_Northwind

I would just like to add, that although the purple rain in the arena is cool, and pretty and very unique, it is quite annoying that it goes though roofs and walls. I wish that there were a 4th lever to be able to turn it off because the middle of the arena seems like it could be an interesting place to build something...

pocketdefender

I really loved the arena, but I didn't like the Chasm at all. It's simultaneously too big and too small, since there's so much unusable space. There's invisible walls keeping you from reaching the walls of the cave, which just seems bizarre to me. And the theming is weird, especially in the furnished version.

validifyedneb18_ESO

The arena needs gates, it also feels rather claustrophobic in most places.

I do however like the concept, and the lava pool and misty lava fall down the mountain at the back looks awesome.

XamXam777

I absolutely adore the Elinhir Private Arena! But I find it super weird that the house part has open entryways with no doors on them? It would make a lot more sense for there to be doors... Otherwise, the house is great!

I also like the Frostvault Chasm. It's a nice size too. Would make for a great Nord hideaway house or outlaws refuge since Dwemer furnishings are insanely expensive... But the deco limit could use a raise. (Also, I don't get why people are saying the furniture theming is weird especially since the house is in Eastmarch? A nord could've come a long and made it their home???)

And please for the love of Meridia make these houses purchasable with gold! I'm getting so damn tired of all these houses you guys keep releasing only being purchasable with crowns.

mrpaxman

Many big problems with furnishings and combat of all sorts in player homes that needs to be known by anyone thinking about making a combat area

Both hearing on the stream and now after looking at the duelling house. I said to myself "wow, this is going to be bad". Bad for anyone that is not aware of the following and wanting to decorate their arena like all other player made arena's i have ever seen that are now called "broken" by their creators/owners

The only arena i will build is one that has no furnishings in any of the fighting area of where characters can be, at all. Getting feared or knocked back can easily leave the character stuck inside furnishings such as walls or any other object around. Platforms and duelling...just nope. AOE's visually could be on the platform stood on, or below depending on the skill. knock backs can let you fall straight through platforms. Blockade does damage both on the platform the character is on and beneath, at the same time. Destro ulti says "invalid location" and does not fire ever. The animation is seen before it fails when it should cast. Furnishings as obstructions...nope. sure its fun attacking a DPS dummy or player directly through furnishings while they are confused as hell unable to attack back. good ol Tab lock. Of course its not every skill. some examples are light/heavy attacks from either my resto or inferno fire straight through furnishings . NB cripple also does. Flame reach or crushing shock do not.

The list goes on and on with issues regarding furnishings and skills/combat

The character got pinned after a cc skill. After reviving the character was still stuck and had to port to the entrance


NB Twisting Path - If its like blockade. Then damage is being done both on the platform its cast on and below simultaneously. Whilst visually only below the platform.



https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/326189/housing-dueling-is-broken

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/5talzh/housing_psa_structural_problems_and_dueling/

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/322882/custom-arena-housing-fail-will-this-be-fixed

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419029/creating-a-duelling-arena-is-impossible-currently

...and MANY more links around since Homestead was originally on PTS. Fellow guild members have "broken" duelling arena's as well. I can provide many more "entertaining" pictures

For anyone wanting a duelling arena or even a DPS dummy area. Anything combat related really. I strongly advise to test and/or research these things. A platform can work if its close enough to the natural ground. Generally it has to be touching the ground as a rough indication. The furnished version of the duelling house having a few drums and 1 square container will quite quickly become an issue when cc's are used. Spending rl money and then so much time building before witnessing/experiencing these issues which are far to often to be any sort of functional arena is quite easy to imagine the feelings felt for those players.

mrpaxman

To follow up on my previous message with a recent thread i found

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455481/possible-bug-alinor-ballroom-floor-housing-item-people-fall-through#latest

I suggest taking a look at the link the person has provided in the thread and how much work they have done before seeing the bugs/problems start to appear

Zypheran

PTS week 2 - no changes to Frostvault.
Please don't let this house go to live with only 400 slots. It would be a terrible waste of an otherwise excellent house

Jayne_Doe

Zypheran wrote: »

PTS week 2 - no changes to Frostvault.
Please don't let this house go to live with only 400 slots. It would be a terrible waste of an otherwise excellent house

I disagree. I think 400 is fine for the rooms that are there. I get that some players will want to build, but the size of the actual "house" seems to be about right for a medium-sized home. But, I haven't been able to decorate it fully to see if I would run out of slots. I started this weekend, but then they did a fresh copy on Monday.

Also, I'm assuming this will be CS only, so I'm looking forward to another medium home being on offer. I may actually pick this one up if the price is right (similar to the snowglobe home).

As for the house itself, I didn't think I'd like it when I first stepped foot in it, but quickly came to like it. I also don't think the Nord furnishings to be strange. Granted, I'd rather have more Dwemer furnishings, such as beds, but I think Nord fits in just fine. It's a cold, snowy chasm that is located in Eastmarch.

As for the arena, I'm not interested in that type of house, but I think it's a nice option for those wanting to host tournaments and such. I agree, though, that the house should have doors. As it is now, I suspect that it will rain inside the house, as it does in the Exorcised Cottage.

As for other issues relating to housing:

--please add furnishing documents for the Alinor, Dwemer, and Clockwork plans

--please add more homes that are purchasable with gold

--please add more small/medium homes to the game, esp. in DLC areas

--please figure out some way to alleviate the housing slot problem. I for one, would NOT spend more crowns to get more slots. If I purchased the home with crowns, I wouldn't spend YET MORE crowns for more slots. If I purchased the home with gold, it would defeat the purpose of saving real money if I had to purchase additional slots with crowns. I'd love for this to be solved without charging us more money.

--please add more structural items to the game, as well as more "filled" items, such as bookshelves, desks, tables, etc. This will alleviate SOME of the housing slot problem.

--please provide more reasons to use our homes: crafting writ courier NPC or writ board, guild banker, guild trader, etc. I'd love to have a reason to use the crafting areas in my home.

--please provide more interactable furniture - let us sleep in our beds, e.g.

--please add more guildhall functionality. Allow us to designate a home as a guild hall. Perhaps, then, the banker and merchant assistants could take on their full functionality.

Ertosi

Carbonised wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

For General Feedback, there's a concerning thread about some players hitting Memory issues when redecorating full houses on PTS: PTS: Housing Memory Cap

Not sure what could have changed in the PTS to be making some players hit the memory cap before filling all of their housing slots. Perhaps it could be related to whatever was done to correct the unsuable crafting station bug that was mentioned in the PTS patch notes? I hope this issue only pertains to the PTS version and doesn't make it to the live version.

@ZOS_GinaBruno some players have reported a "memory" issue of houses on the PTS that is not on live. Could you please confirm whether this is an isolated PTS issue, of if you have implemented something that will go live? Imagine the outcry and uproar if people find out they cannot even place items until the extremely low item cap of 700 in their large homes, homes they bought for 100s of dollars or more.

Housing certainly did NOT need more limitations on furniture than we already have, so could you please adress this issue and explain to us what's going on here?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom We're seeing more reports of players running into new memory limits way before hitting their furnishing limits on the PTS (as reported in this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456455/your-system-has-reached-its-memory-capacity-you-can-remove-furnishings)
Compiling the reports, we know:

• The memory limits are hit before furnishing caps are reached.
• It affects existing homes that already have furnishings placed previously without having had memory issues before (ie you can pick an already placed object up but then not be able to place it back down.) This means, if it goes live as-is, countless players' already-decorated homes will be affected by this issue despite never having this issue before.
  
• It's been reported to happen sooner the more elaborate furnishings a particular house has.
• The error message displayed reads "Your system has reached its memory capacity. You can remove furnishings to help remedy the situation."

We're concerned that this problem might go live and would like to avoid that by making sure it's known to your team.

bluebird

What did you think of the two homes currently on the PTS for testing?
- The Arena was great in all aspects, but the house really needs doors as others mentioned.
- Frostvault was a miss imho, the snow and frost is too inaccessible for a snowy cave/house and it's too snowy for a dwemer house. I realize it is reusing assets, but the snow-covered interior clashes with Dwemer and Clockwork furniture, the dwemer pipes from the crown store do not fit as the default pipes are frost-covered etc. It may be too late, but reskinning the frosty assets with actual dwemer-coloured platforms and walls and pipes would be better, because I can't see it selling well as it currently is. The layout could also be better, and the invisible walls are annoying, making 60% of the house area useless (if it is a crown only house, this is unacceptable, compare to Colossal Aldmeri Grotto which was great with effective space). The furnished version needs to be changed, random Nord beds were random .

Specifically for the Elinhir Private Arena, what did you think of the lever-activated hazards? How responsive were these hazards, and did they feel impactful? What’s your feedback on the damage they provided and their positioning?
- Idea was great, positions were fine. But since they are quite predictable, their speed could be faster to make them actually impactful and more of a threat (lava balls could be more frequent, lightning lines could change arrangement faster, blades could move faster).

Did you like the new furnishings?
- Crown store pack and Statue were great, but the pack will look out of place in the white snowy house, the house is the problem, see above.
- Writ furniture additions were great, please keep adding more, especially long-requested ones like the Morrowind Chiminea which was awesome to see!

Do you have any other general feedback?
- Please keep adding already existing assets as furniture - there are several listed in the furniture wishlist on the forums.
- Rework furniture limits. If increasing overall limits is impossible, at the very least rework the type limits e.g. merge collectible limit with actual furnishing limit so people have more freedom to choose what they really want to place in their home. The housing system is limited both by the inability to place enough mounts/pets, and the inability to place more regular items while having plenty of undaunted bust spaces free.

Jayne_Doe

Zypheran wrote: »

PTS week 2 - no changes to Frostvault.
Please don't let this house go to live with only 400 slots. It would be a terrible waste of an otherwise excellent house

Frankly, I like that it's a medium home. The CS only price will be much better. But, I get that some players will want to build, so 400 may not be enough. However, for just decorating the rooms that are there, I think it'll be enough.

I also like the Nord furnishings.

Ertosi wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

For General Feedback, there's a concerning thread about some players hitting Memory issues when redecorating full houses on PTS: PTS: Housing Memory Cap

Not sure what could have changed in the PTS to be making some players hit the memory cap before filling all of their housing slots. Perhaps it could be related to whatever was done to correct the unsuable crafting station bug that was mentioned in the PTS patch notes? I hope this issue only pertains to the PTS version and doesn't make it to the live version.

@ZOS_GinaBruno some players have reported a "memory" issue of houses on the PTS that is not on live. Could you please confirm whether this is an isolated PTS issue, of if you have implemented something that will go live? Imagine the outcry and uproar if people find out they cannot even place items until the extremely low item cap of 700 in their large homes, homes they bought for 100s of dollars or more.

Housing certainly did NOT need more limitations on furniture than we already have, so could you please adress this issue and explain to us what's going on here?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom We're seeing more reports of players running into new memory limits way before hitting their furnishing limits on the PTS (as reported in this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456455/your-system-has-reached-its-memory-capacity-you-can-remove-furnishings)
Compiling the reports, we know:

• The memory limits are hit before furnishing caps are reached.
• It affects existing homes that already have furnishings placed previously without having had memory issues before (ie you can pick an already placed object up but then not be able to place it back down.) This means, if it goes live as-is, countless players' already-decorated homes will be affected by this issue despite never having this issue before.
  
• It's been reported to happen sooner the more elaborate furnishings a particular house has.
• The error message displayed reads "Your system has reached its memory capacity. You can remove furnishings to help remedy the situation."

We're concerned that this problem might go live and would like to avoid that by making sure it's known to your team.

Has there been any official response to this issue? This is a serious bug that absolutely cannot go live. Can you imagine the uproar from the housing community who is already frustrated by the low item slot limits? If we cannot even place items up to the advertised limit, then that will end up costing ZOS money until it's fixed. Players will be even more reluctant to purchase any new homes if they cannot even furnish them within the current slot limits. And buying new furnishings? If we can't place them in our homes, then we aren't going to keep buying a bunch of stuff that we won't have anywhere to place. Storage is already full, storage houses are already full - you won't be able to place more furnishings in them either, and may end up losing space if you remove some items to try them out and not be able to put them back in storage, or place other items there.

If this goes live, the housing community will be even more frustrated than they already are, and many may place a moratorium on doing anything housing related until it's fixed.

Aliyavana

bluebird wrote: »

What did you think of the two homes currently on the PTS for testing?
- The Arena was great in all aspects, but the house really needs doors as others mentioned.
- Frostvault was a miss imho, the snow and frost is too inaccessible for a snowy cave/house and it's too snowy for a dwemer house. I realize it is reusing assets, but the snow-covered interior clashes with Dwemer and Clockwork furniture, the dwemer pipes from the crown store do not fit as the default pipes are frost-covered etc. It may be too late, but reskinning the frosty assets with actual dwemer-coloured platforms and walls and pipes would be better, because I can't see it selling well as it currently is. The layout could also be better, and the invisible walls are annoying, making 60% of the house area useless (if it is a crown only house, this is unacceptable, compare to Colossal Aldmeri Grotto which was great with effective space). The furnished version needs to be changed, random Nord beds were random .

Specifically for the Elinhir Private Arena, what did you think of the lever-activated hazards? How responsive were these hazards, and did they feel impactful? What’s your feedback on the damage they provided and their positioning?
- Idea was great, positions were fine. But since they are quite predictable, their speed could be faster to make them actually impactful and more of a threat (lava balls could be more frequent, lightning lines could change arrangement faster, blades could move faster).

Did you like the new furnishings?
- Crown store pack and Statue were great, but the pack will look out of place in the white snowy house, the house is the problem, see above.
- Writ furniture additions were great, please keep adding more, especially long-requested ones like the Morrowind Chiminea which was awesome to see!

Do you have any other general feedback?
- Please keep adding already existing assets as furniture - there are several listed in the furniture wishlist on the forums.
- Rework furniture limits. If increasing overall limits is impossible, at the very least rework the type limits e.g. merge collectible limit with actual furnishing limit so people have more freedom to choose what they really want to place in their home. The housing system is limited both by the inability to place enough mounts/pets, and the inability to place more regular items while having plenty of undaunted bust spaces free.

glad someone agrees that the snow covered interior clashes with furniture