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is Redguard Necromancer the most lorebreaking thing ZOS has ever introduced?

  • soniku4ikblis
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    Skander wrote: »
    IronWooshu wrote: »
    The main necromancer showcased on the website is a Redguard Necromancer, the same race that absolutely despises Necromancy.

    Everybody has a black sheep

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    IronWooshu wrote: »
    Claudman wrote: »
    IronWooshu wrote: »
    Claudman wrote: »
    Withered Hand Cultists, dude.

    With a comment like that...
    Argonians shouldn't have Lukiul and should all be racist.
    Dunmer should all be slavers.
    Altmer should all be genocidal xenophobes.
    Etc.

    I don't think you're doing it right.
    Every race despises necromancy.

    True but Redguards despise most magics, especially western magic while allowing some Eastern magic to be practiced like Restoration.

    Redguards also vary from person to person. Again, Withered Hand cultists who are REDGUARD NECROMANCERS.

    Again the Withered Hand was created by ZOS not Bethesda and were never mentioned in any Redguard lore before ZOS began ESO, at least to my knowledge.

    Alright, have another Redguard Necromancer that isn't from ESO then, and was made by Bethesda.

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lu'ah_Al-Skaven
    Edited by Robo_Hobo on January 16, 2019 2:43AM
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    No... I'd say vampires that can hide their condition with skins are... >:)
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    IronWooshu wrote: »
    Claudman wrote: »
    IronWooshu wrote: »
    Claudman wrote: »
    Withered Hand Cultists, dude.

    With a comment like that...
    Argonians shouldn't have Lukiul and should all be racist.
    Dunmer should all be slavers.
    Altmer should all be genocidal xenophobes.
    Etc.

    I don't think you're doing it right.
    Every race despises necromancy.

    True but Redguards despise most magics, especially western magic while allowing some Eastern magic to be practiced like Restoration.

    Redguards also vary from person to person. Again, Withered Hand cultists who are REDGUARD NECROMANCERS.

    Again the Withered Hand was created by ZOS not Bethesda and were never mentioned in any Redguard lore before ZOS began ESO, at least to my knowledge.

    What ... ESO is part of the lore and part of the Canon that contributes to all the Elder Scroll games.

    Not sure if trolling or just misguided in general.
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  • Claudman
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    Yamenstein wrote: »
    IronWooshu wrote: »
    Claudman wrote: »
    IronWooshu wrote: »
    Claudman wrote: »
    Withered Hand Cultists, dude.

    With a comment like that...
    Argonians shouldn't have Lukiul and should all be racist.
    Dunmer should all be slavers.
    Altmer should all be genocidal xenophobes.
    Etc.

    I don't think you're doing it right.
    Every race despises necromancy.

    True but Redguards despise most magics, especially western magic while allowing some Eastern magic to be practiced like Restoration.

    Redguards also vary from person to person. Again, Withered Hand cultists who are REDGUARD NECROMANCERS.

    Again the Withered Hand was created by ZOS not Bethesda and were never mentioned in any Redguard lore before ZOS began ESO, at least to my knowledge.

    What ... ESO is part of the lore and part of the Canon that contributes to all the Elder Scroll games.

    Not sure if trolling or just misguided in general.

    ESO has contributed a lot to TES Lore, brought back old lore which was ignored by Bethesda and the fact people still doubt it as canon amazes me...

    Maybe he's a bit of both?
    Edited by Claudman on January 16, 2019 2:53AM
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    Yah.... Lu'ah was the first thing I thought of. Boy that was a total balls-up on a low level girl with nothing special. That was the first time of course.

    By the 100th time, it wasn't a big deal. And that's when my mind was like "Wait. RG necromancer? WHAT?" Of course, that could be seen as a special case - a woman so devastated by loss of her husband....

    I'm not quite that.... involved in game sob-stories. Eh, I'm not even involved in RL sob-stories that way. Still.... it's a viable theory. I don't really buy it as the impetus for "every race necromancy", but I'm not producing this game, so *shrug*
  • Xoelarasizerer
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    Looking beyond the Withered Hand, Worm Cult and Blackmarrow Cult, you're telling me there isn't a single Necromancer NPC, be they named or a nameless generic "Necromancer" mook, in all of TES3: Morrowind, TES4: Oblivion, TES5: Skyrim or the rest of the franchise that is a Redguard?
    Edited by Xoelarasizerer on January 16, 2019 3:11AM
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    They introduced me

    I mean

    No. I didn't mean this. It is lore-friendly, trust me
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    Orc stamcromancer incoming to PvP near you. Although I’m actually considering refusing to play necros and RPing my Templar as a wandering warrior of the light who has vowed to purge all the necromancers from Cyrodiil, and send them back to the crown store from whence they came.
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    Vapirko wrote: »
    Orc stamcromancer incoming to PvP near you. Although I’m actually considering refusing to play necros and RPing my Templar as a wandering warrior of the light who has vowed to purge all the necromancers from Cyrodiil, and send them back to the crown store from whence they came.

    I main Templars, so I will be doing the same!
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  • xAk_MoRRoWiNdx
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    That's what I was thinking about. Redguards are vehemently opposed to Necromancy, as demonstrated in the game in Alik'r. I found it funny that the Necromancer in the new Elsweyr trailer was a Redguard.

    I know that my Stamancer will be a Redguard because
    1) It's the only race that I don't have a character of
    2) It's the best Stam race - unless things are being changed with the Racial Passive changes coming
    3) Simply for the lolz cause of the aforementioned lore reasons at the top.
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    • IronWooshu
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      Yamenstein wrote: »
      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Claudman wrote: »
      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Claudman wrote: »
      Withered Hand Cultists, dude.

      With a comment like that...
      Argonians shouldn't have Lukiul and should all be racist.
      Dunmer should all be slavers.
      Altmer should all be genocidal xenophobes.
      Etc.

      I don't think you're doing it right.
      Every race despises necromancy.

      True but Redguards despise most magics, especially western magic while allowing some Eastern magic to be practiced like Restoration.

      Redguards also vary from person to person. Again, Withered Hand cultists who are REDGUARD NECROMANCERS.

      Again the Withered Hand was created by ZOS not Bethesda and were never mentioned in any Redguard lore before ZOS began ESO, at least to my knowledge.

      What ... ESO is part of the lore and part of the Canon that contributes to all the Elder Scroll games.

      Not sure if trolling or just misguided in general.

      So you're saying ZOS has no governing rules? Whatever they make regardless is law and now LORE? I mean they could spawn another dragon break and bring forth another Dovakin, right?
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      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Yamenstein wrote: »
      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Claudman wrote: »
      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Claudman wrote: »
      Withered Hand Cultists, dude.

      With a comment like that...
      Argonians shouldn't have Lukiul and should all be racist.
      Dunmer should all be slavers.
      Altmer should all be genocidal xenophobes.
      Etc.

      I don't think you're doing it right.
      Every race despises necromancy.

      True but Redguards despise most magics, especially western magic while allowing some Eastern magic to be practiced like Restoration.

      Redguards also vary from person to person. Again, Withered Hand cultists who are REDGUARD NECROMANCERS.

      Again the Withered Hand was created by ZOS not Bethesda and were never mentioned in any Redguard lore before ZOS began ESO, at least to my knowledge.

      What ... ESO is part of the lore and part of the Canon that contributes to all the Elder Scroll games.

      Not sure if trolling or just misguided in general.

      So you're saying ZOS has no governing rules? Whatever they make regardless is law and now LORE? I mean they could spawn another dragon break and bring forth another Dovakin, right?

      Tiber Septim is supposed to appear in a few hundred years, so thats covered.
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      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Yamenstein wrote: »
      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Claudman wrote: »
      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Claudman wrote: »
      Withered Hand Cultists, dude.

      With a comment like that...
      Argonians shouldn't have Lukiul and should all be racist.
      Dunmer should all be slavers.
      Altmer should all be genocidal xenophobes.
      Etc.

      I don't think you're doing it right.
      Every race despises necromancy.

      True but Redguards despise most magics, especially western magic while allowing some Eastern magic to be practiced like Restoration.

      Redguards also vary from person to person. Again, Withered Hand cultists who are REDGUARD NECROMANCERS.

      Again the Withered Hand was created by ZOS not Bethesda and were never mentioned in any Redguard lore before ZOS began ESO, at least to my knowledge.

      What ... ESO is part of the lore and part of the Canon that contributes to all the Elder Scroll games.

      Not sure if trolling or just misguided in general.

      So you're saying ZOS has no governing rules? Whatever they make regardless is law and now LORE? I mean they could spawn another dragon break and bring forth another Dovakin, right?

      ESO takes place around the interregnum before Tiber septim and after the long house emperor's. In previous games published before ESO, the time period of ESO is treated in an almost mythical way. The details are vague which gives a lot of leeway for the lore.
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      That's what I was thinking about. Redguards are vehemently opposed to Necromancy, as demonstrated in the game in Alik'r. I found it funny that the Necromancer in the new Elsweyr trailer was a Redguard.

      I know that my Stamancer will be a Redguard because
      1) It's the only race that I don't have a character of
      2) It's the best Stam race - unless things are being changed with the Racial Passive changes coming
      3) Simply for the lolz cause of the aforementioned lore reasons at the top.

      It actually makes sense.

      Necromancy is a taboo in the Redguard culture, so a Necromancer would move abroad from the Alik'R dessert. Having lived many years there, one would know that a balanced, mild, dry climate and sand would conserve corpses well.

      So, a Redguard Necromancer would go to Elsweyr or else where? >:)
    • IronWooshu
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      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Yamenstein wrote: »
      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Claudman wrote: »
      IronWooshu wrote: »
      Claudman wrote: »
      Withered Hand Cultists, dude.

      With a comment like that...
      Argonians shouldn't have Lukiul and should all be racist.
      Dunmer should all be slavers.
      Altmer should all be genocidal xenophobes.
      Etc.

      I don't think you're doing it right.
      Every race despises necromancy.

      True but Redguards despise most magics, especially western magic while allowing some Eastern magic to be practiced like Restoration.

      Redguards also vary from person to person. Again, Withered Hand cultists who are REDGUARD NECROMANCERS.

      Again the Withered Hand was created by ZOS not Bethesda and were never mentioned in any Redguard lore before ZOS began ESO, at least to my knowledge.

      What ... ESO is part of the lore and part of the Canon that contributes to all the Elder Scroll games.

      Not sure if trolling or just misguided in general.

      So you're saying ZOS has no governing rules? Whatever they make regardless is law and now LORE? I mean they could spawn another dragon break and bring forth another Dovakin, right?

      Tiber Septim is supposed to appear in a few hundred years, so thats covered.
      about 200 years away Tiber Septim will take back the Imperial Throne and Cyrodil
    • SilverIce58
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      That's what I was thinking about. Redguards are vehemently opposed to Necromancy, as demonstrated in the game in Alik'r. I found it funny that the Necromancer in the new Elsweyr trailer was a Redguard.

      I know that my Stamancer will be a Redguard because
      1) It's the only race that I don't have a character of
      2) It's the best Stam race - unless things are being changed with the Racial Passive changes coming
      3) Simply for the lolz cause of the aforementioned lore reasons at the top.

      It actually makes sense.

      Necromancy is a taboo in the Redguard culture, so a Necromancer would move abroad from the Alik'R dessert. Having lived many years there, one would know that a balanced, mild, dry climate and sand would conserve corpses well.

      So, a Redguard Necromancer would go to Elsweyr or else where? >:)

      Not to mention that according to lore, Elsweyr is a prime area for finding and/or buying corpses.
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    • BretonicKnight
      Maybe I'm missing something here, but I thought the OP brought up Redguard Necromancers because Necromancy is one of the highest crimes and greatest taboos in Redguard culture and the protagonist is their hero. Redguards have literally dethroned Kings and turned their backs on greater heroes for Necromancy. It's not that Redguard Necromancers DON'T EXIST as everyone spamming the illegal Withered Hand cultists that the entire loyal Redguard faction fights against would suggest. It's that there's really no way for a Redguard Necromancer to fit the lore as the vestige / hero of Alik'r.
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    • Sylvermynx
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      That's what I was thinking about. Redguards are vehemently opposed to Necromancy, as demonstrated in the game in Alik'r. I found it funny that the Necromancer in the new Elsweyr trailer was a Redguard.

      I know that my Stamancer will be a Redguard because
      1) It's the only race that I don't have a character of
      2) It's the best Stam race - unless things are being changed with the Racial Passive changes coming
      3) Simply for the lolz cause of the aforementioned lore reasons at the top.

      It actually makes sense.

      Necromancy is a taboo in the Redguard culture, so a Necromancer would move abroad from the Alik'R dessert. Having lived many years there, one would know that a balanced, mild, dry climate and sand would conserve corpses well.

      So, a Redguard Necromancer would go to Elsweyr or else where? >:)

      *laughing* DESERT, sweetheart. Dessert is.... nummy sweets.... like flan, or even choc chip cookies. Or maybe.... S'mores ('cause I have a love fire in the fireplace, and I have the ingredients in the pantry!). Anyway, yeah - those of the Redguard race who are outside of the norm..... this would fit them just fine.

      Hmm. Alik'r Desert dessert.... what do you think? Maybe baklava.....
      Edited by Sylvermynx on January 16, 2019 3:54AM
    • IronWooshu
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      Maybe I'm missing something here, but I thought the OP brought up Redguard Necromancers because Necromancy is one of the highest crimes and greatest taboos in Redguard culture and the protagonist is their hero. Redguards have literally dethroned Kings and turned their backs on greater heroes for Necromancy. It's not that Redguard Necromancers DON'T EXIST as everyone spamming the illegal Withered Hand cultists that the entire loyal Redguard faction fights against would suggest. It's that there's really no way for a Redguard Necromancer to fit the lore as the vestige / hero of Alik'r.

      You my friend get it
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      One could say the same about the Nightblade.

      Silent murderers, often followers of the path of Sithis. Respected by kings and queens, appreciated for high rank assassinations and espionage.

      But the common folk would probably not be keen on doing business with one. However, the Vestige can be a NB.
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      Another thought, but isn't the Skyrim npc necromancer Falion in Morthal a redguard?
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    • Sylvermynx
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      Another thought, but isn't the Skyrim npc necromancer Falion in Morthal a redguard?

      Yep.

      As edge cases go, RG necromancers might be a major one. But then again - the whole point to TES from almost the very beginning....

      ....is - play how you want to play.

      There's no better exemplar of that tenet than RG necromancers.
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      Another thought, but isn't the Skyrim npc necromancer Falion in Morthal a redguard?

      He is not referred to as a Necromancer, rather a Conjurer. However, Redguards generally hate them equally. Could be the reason why he lives in Skyrim.
    • BretonicKnight
      One could say the same about the Nightblade.

      Silent murderers, often followers of the path of Sithis. Respected by kings and queens, appreciated for high rank assassinations and espionage.

      But the common folk would probably not be keen on doing business with one. However, the Vestige can be a NB.

      Literally no in-game lore around being a Nightblade, nor a stigma in any culture. Redguards are specifically and violently anti-Necromancy. That's the whole plot of their zone.
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      Maybe I'm missing something here, but I thought the OP brought up Redguard Necromancers because Necromancy is one of the highest crimes and greatest taboos in Redguard culture and the protagonist is their hero. Redguards have literally dethroned Kings and turned their backs on greater heroes for Necromancy. It's not that Redguard Necromancers DON'T EXIST as everyone spamming the illegal Withered Hand cultists that the entire loyal Redguard faction fights against would suggest. It's that there's really no way for a Redguard Necromancer to fit the lore as the vestige / hero of Alik'r.

      You know that the
      One could say the same about the Nightblade.

      Silent murderers, often followers of the path of Sithis. Respected by kings and queens, appreciated for high rank assassinations and espionage.

      But the common folk would probably not be keen on doing business with one. However, the Vestige can be a NB.

      Not to mention Sorcs. Sure mages and the like would speak to you, but the Fighter's Guild would never do business with one who cavorts with Daedra in the way that Sorcs do (seeing as how in the beginning, their main goal is to get rid of the anchors and the daedra). Many kings, queens, and other forms of royalty also would not as they've been assaulted by Daedra in the past (often by ones who've killed their loved ones).
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      Sylvermynx wrote: »
      That's what I was thinking about. Redguards are vehemently opposed to Necromancy, as demonstrated in the game in Alik'r. I found it funny that the Necromancer in the new Elsweyr trailer was a Redguard.

      I know that my Stamancer will be a Redguard because
      1) It's the only race that I don't have a character of
      2) It's the best Stam race - unless things are being changed with the Racial Passive changes coming
      3) Simply for the lolz cause of the aforementioned lore reasons at the top.

      It actually makes sense.

      Necromancy is a taboo in the Redguard culture, so a Necromancer would move abroad from the Alik'R dessert. Having lived many years there, one would know that a balanced, mild, dry climate and sand would conserve corpses well.

      So, a Redguard Necromancer would go to Elsweyr or else where? >:)

      *laughing* DESERT, sweetheart. Dessert is.... nummy sweets.... like flan, or even choc chip cookies. Or maybe.... S'mores ('cause I have a love fire in the fireplace, and I have the ingredients in the pantry!). Anyway, yeah - those of the Redguard race who are outside of the norm..... this would fit them just fine.

      Hmm. Alik'r Desert dessert.... what do you think? Maybe baklava.....

      Now I'm embarrassed, and hungry. :s
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