PvP December 2018

Aznox

Skander wrote: »

The word of today is #Counterplay


Oh wait

There isn't

https://eso-sets.com/set/gossamer
https://eso-sets.com/set/spectres-eye

pick one

Bashev

Aznox wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The word of today is #Counterplay


Oh wait

There isn't

https://eso-sets.com/set/gossamer
https://eso-sets.com/set/spectres-eye

pick one

Which reminds me that now Specters eye could be buffed from 3s to 6s!
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Waffennacht

@Skander whatcha running? I'm curious is all.

Oh and btw I hate when something like that happens too.

But I am running on my health sorc now so that doesn't actually happen to me anymore. My build is far cheesier

Tommy_The_Gun

Skander wrote: »

You see what's wrong with this picture

No snipe or steel tornado in death recap.. ? I don't get it...

heavier

I pvp so I can fill my inbox up with gear don't need and purple jewellery which I can't use but I can sure sell it.

people play money for this and it doesn't makes sense that the company receiving this money can't improve the game where it could pass as playable

potions have seemingly a one second delay or sometimes just don't work at all.

spamming unbalanced battlegrounds is the most efficient way to get money in this game with 0 investment

I made 10k from rank 3 in a 30 day campaign but I can get easily 400k from doing battlegrounds with the same effort, purchasing soul gems with AP and selling them back to the same NPC for gold and selling jewellery.

nckg84

The whole state of PvP in this game is getting ridiculously out of control. The devs have absolutely no clue on how to balance there *** pile. On top of that we have 'class reps' who PvE 80% of the time.

Then you get *** like: Elder Bows And Bleeds Online. 'The fire and forget' expansion that hits you through walls.

heavier

nckg84 wrote: »

The whole state of PvP in this game is getting ridiculously out of control. The devs have absolutely no clue on how to balance there *** pile. On top of that we have 'class reps' who PvE 80% of the time.

Then you get *** like: Elder Bows And Bleeds Online. 'The fire and forget' expansion that hits you through walls.

it's also highly profitable as someone who hasn't invested anything into crafted beyond 50 in clothing and blacksmithing...for some reason doing bg makes more money than any other system I've considered...

heavier

as much as I point out its flaws winning a deathmatch is still remarkably satisfying

I call the game casual but it's only me jesting

I'm a winner not a whiner

the second time ... not as much
2x deathmatch FTW top scorer suddenly it's tiring

amir412

LOL, everyone saying @Skander is a tank are just hilarious.
The guy compared an ULT which cost 200 points to a skill that cost something like 1kish stam, deal more dmg in less ticks, and i doubt if it was with master axes or not.

So what if its an aoe? its an ult that cost 200, its like comparing Standart of might to blood craze... comon ;_;

SilverPaws

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Joy_Division

Skander wrote: »

The word of today is #Counterplay


Oh wait

There isn't

OK, what do you want me to tell Wrobel in our next meeting?

Eric, you know the like only 5 or 6 skills in the game that can kill good players in BGs? Yeah people are mad because they are dying to them. Sub Assault is coutnerable, all you have to do is move, which you couldn't because it looks like you got stunned. You got CCed and thus were subjected to 2 ultimates and hit with multiple burst skills, you don't think that's a legit way of dying?

I know you can play, so you know damn well that if you're attacked by skills that are easy countered, you will counter them and you won't die. The amount of defense, healing, tankiness options available, even outside of busted gearsets like Earthgore, has made it such CC plus mutliple burst is pretty much the only shot someone on a high MMR team is going to die. You've gotten so used to laughing at the pitiful and uncoordinated attempts by inexperienced players trying to kill you that you're getting mad when you die to a coordinated uli bomb.

I played a high MMR last night. This is 15 minutes of deathmatch, no objectives to cap or relics to take, just 100% focus on killing other players. 105-105-60.



If ZOS nerfs all the "cheese" and other stuff people hate like Sub Assault, Spin2Win, snares, etc., such that you can survive when hit with multiple ultimates and multiple burst damage skills, the matches of the sort I was in will be 0-0-0. What will you do then with no death-recap to complain about on these forums? Scream to nerf "healers," right?

Skander

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The word of today is #Counterplay


Oh wait

There isn't

OK, what do you want me to tell Wrobel in our next meeting?

Eric, you know the like only 5 or 6 skills in the game that can kill good players in BGs? Yeah people are mad because they are dying to them. Sub Assault is coutnerable, all you have to do is move, which you couldn't because it looks like you got stunned. You got CCed and thus were subjected to 2 ultimates and hit with multiple burst skills, you don't think that's a legit way of dying?

I know you can play, so you know damn well that if you're attacked by skills that are easy countered, you will counter them and you won't die. The amount of defense, healing, tankiness options available, even outside of busted gearsets like Earthgore, has made it such CC plus mutliple burst is pretty much the only shot someone on a high MMR team is going to die. You've gotten so used to laughing at the pitiful and uncoordinated attempts by inexperienced players trying to kill you that you're getting mad when you die to a coordinated uli bomb.

I played a high MMR last night. This is 15 minutes of deathmatch, no objectives to cap or relics to take, just 100% focus on killing other players. 105-105-60.



If ZOS nerfs all the "cheese" and other stuff people hate like Sub Assault, Spin2Win, snares, etc., such that you can survive when hit with multiple ultimates and multiple burst damage skills, the matches of the sort I was in will be 0-0-0. What will you do then with no death-recap to complain about on these forums? Scream to nerf "healers," right?

Then give any *** class an overpowered ability.

Everyone gets one or nobody gets one.

What i see is only stamina and maybe magsorc being competitive with each other.

And for your information: Draws are not bad. Draws are good. Two players with the same skill level are supposed to draw. If one of them wins becouse he has the cheese class with everything in it, it's not fun. It's moronic.

Xvorg

haakira wrote: »

I don't get why people are getting so off topic?
What he's trying to show is that a DOT skill is doing way more than all ultimates that were dumped on him.
A DOT that can also have attached to it another bleed, which does similar damage on top of it.
So yeah, it's pretty dumb damage from a such a low cost, almost 100% uptime, low effort skill.

My Cripple tooltip says 18k in 8 secs

My Soul harverst tooltip says 12k

So, is Cripple stronger that SH?

Minno

Xvorg wrote: »

haakira wrote: »

I don't get why people are getting so off topic?
What he's trying to show is that a DOT skill is doing way more than all ultimates that were dumped on him.
A DOT that can also have attached to it another bleed, which does similar damage on top of it.
So yeah, it's pretty dumb damage from a such a low cost, almost 100% uptime, low effort skill.

My Cripple tooltip says 18k in 8 secs

My Soul harverst tooltip says 12k

So, is Cripple stronger that SH?

people can't read I guess. Or that a slow drain over time, only look bad when you see the final outcome. Like coming back home from vacation to find your sink was dripping into your cabinet; is it the sink's fault you didnt catch that drip early and planned ahead?

Same issue with bleeds/dots. Plug up that pressure by selecting a multitude of sets/mechanics built into the game. Or go back to playing COD 17.

Kartalin

amir412 wrote: »

LOL, everyone saying @Skander is a tank are just hilarious.
The guy compared an ULT which cost 200 points to a skill that cost something like 1kish stam, deal more dmg in less ticks, and i doubt if it was with master axes or not.

So what if its an aoe? its an ult that cost 200, its like comparing Standart of might to blood craze... comon ;_;

Permafrost does a lot more than just damage though. It snares opponents after three ticks (standard requires a synergy) and gives allies major protection.

Also we have no idea what the blood craze opponent was using compared to the permafrost opponent gear wise. Was blood craze buffed by blooddrinker/clever alch or something else? Was the warden a tank? Too many unknowns, we’re trying to compare apples to oranges here.

Amdar_Godkiller

Skander wrote: »

Wrong: Rendering Slashes did more damage then a ultimate in fewer ticks

Also implosion is ridicule.

Rending only ticks every 2 seconds, so the damage done was less than 900 dps.

That being said, implosion is ridicule...

Skander

BLOOD CRAZE DOESN'T TICK EVERY 2 SECONDS

the heal ticks every two seconds. The dot should be a 1 sec dot.

technohic

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The word of today is #Counterplay


Oh wait

There isn't

OK, what do you want me to tell Wrobel in our next meeting?

Eric, you know the like only 5 or 6 skills in the game that can kill good players in BGs? Yeah people are mad because they are dying to them. Sub Assault is coutnerable, all you have to do is move, which you couldn't because it looks like you got stunned. You got CCed and thus were subjected to 2 ultimates and hit with multiple burst skills, you don't think that's a legit way of dying?

I know you can play, so you know damn well that if you're attacked by skills that are easy countered, you will counter them and you won't die. The amount of defense, healing, tankiness options available, even outside of busted gearsets like Earthgore, has made it such CC plus mutliple burst is pretty much the only shot someone on a high MMR team is going to die. You've gotten so used to laughing at the pitiful and uncoordinated attempts by inexperienced players trying to kill you that you're getting mad when you die to a coordinated uli bomb.

I played a high MMR last night. This is 15 minutes of deathmatch, no objectives to cap or relics to take, just 100% focus on killing other players. 105-105-60.



If ZOS nerfs all the "cheese" and other stuff people hate like Sub Assault, Spin2Win, snares, etc., such that you can survive when hit with multiple ultimates and multiple burst damage skills, the matches of the sort I was in will be 0-0-0. What will you do then with no death-recap to complain about on these forums? Scream to nerf "healers," right?

I think their logic is rubbing off on you. Its pretty terrible to just accept "cheese " because it's the only way to kill players due to an already screwed up game.

Aznox

Skander wrote: »

BLOOD CRAZE DOESN'T TICK EVERY 2 SECONDS

the heal ticks every two seconds. The dot should be a 1 sec dot.

The bleed component of BloodCraze/RendingSlash ticks at seconds 1/3/5/7/9.

SkysOutThizeOut

@Minno did you come home from vacation once to a leaky sink?

KingKayanto

Could we just spam the forums with posts about fixing connection issues until they do it? Like just create a "Plz fix DC problem" thread every 2 minutes on every single forum until they do it?

I BELIEVE

SkysOutThizeOut

@KingKayanto probably result in dozens of forum account suspensions

SkysOutThizeOut

@KingKayanto but I’m down

KingKayanto

I made 2 posts by accident... I tried to not be too naughty either because ESO is still cool.

heavier

technohic wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The word of today is #Counterplay


Oh wait

There isn't

OK, what do you want me to tell Wrobel in our next meeting?

Eric, you know the like only 5 or 6 skills in the game that can kill good players in BGs? Yeah people are mad because they are dying to them. Sub Assault is coutnerable, all you have to do is move, which you couldn't because it looks like you got stunned. You got CCed and thus were subjected to 2 ultimates and hit with multiple burst skills, you don't think that's a legit way of dying?

I know you can play, so you know damn well that if you're attacked by skills that are easy countered, you will counter them and you won't die. The amount of defense, healing, tankiness options available, even outside of busted gearsets like Earthgore, has made it such CC plus mutliple burst is pretty much the only shot someone on a high MMR team is going to die. You've gotten so used to laughing at the pitiful and uncoordinated attempts by inexperienced players trying to kill you that you're getting mad when you die to a coordinated uli bomb.

I played a high MMR last night. This is 15 minutes of deathmatch, no objectives to cap or relics to take, just 100% focus on killing other players. 105-105-60.



If ZOS nerfs all the "cheese" and other stuff people hate like Sub Assault, Spin2Win, snares, etc., such that you can survive when hit with multiple ultimates and multiple burst damage skills, the matches of the sort I was in will be 0-0-0. What will you do then with no death-recap to complain about on these forums? Scream to nerf "healers," right?

I think their logic is rubbing off on you. Its pretty terrible to just accept "cheese " because it's the only way to kill players due to an already screwed up game.

I love dying to soul assault

so few people kill me with it that it's refreshing when I incinerate in blue flame

I do use it as my damage ult and it's remarkably effective when I expect it to be. I can generally gauge if it's going to do good damage just by how hard backlash hits. if backlash can't hardly move their HP on the first proc, I should probably wait to double them or just ignore them and focus on the objective.

my DPS isn't particularly deadly unless they've built themselves by exchanging survivability for being overpowered in regards to their damages.

it's especially effective if they expect to burst me down before I can hit them back. they expect to kill someone in 4-5 seconds from full hp but I can kill them in 6 from the first proc on backlash...I do feel that ult should draw from pools in addition to ult.
using any other pool has the offset of sacrificing a degree of counterplay.
if I deplete my magicka attacking I wouldn't be able to heal as efficiently...ult is particularly isolated for the amount of effect it produces.

>blended cost skills when?

idk if it's wholly "screwed up" there are just some really poor decisions that can stand out if you let them.
overall it's still a good experience.

heavier

anyways since this is a pvp thread and not just BG

can we talk about people who steal scrolls from their own alliance and take them into another?

I've come up with a number of solutions!

make any race any alliance non eso+ and make every character on the account belong to the same alliance. the only requirement to switch alliances is that you have a level 50 character in said alliance, otherwise you start out in the alliance of your first character.

the other is to allow friendly fire :^)
with a number of factors reducing the amount of damage done based on:
if the damage comes from a member of the same party :^)
if it's melee damage :^)
if it's critical damage :^)
basically being in a party is more valuable and increases trust, melee damage is usually the most direct an hard to mistake targets so it would be nerfed to lessen griefing, and critting is nerfed for similar reasons plus "accidental crits" is a bit of an oxymoron.

this would add an extra strategic element for dropping ground AoE and triple the immersion.
there would be a toggle for the allowance of targeting friendly targets and players who have recently killed members of their own alliance lose rank and have an indicator...if someone is obviously working against the alliance by stealing a scroll, they ought to be killable.

heavier

as a companion post I would like to make a case for removing tab target on certain ranged attacks

particularly bow and frost elemental

bow's high damage needs to be offset by raising the skill ceiling.

I'd like to see magicka skills expanded and have sort of a meta build system around developing new skills.
particularly enabling improvisation is desirable.

melee combat would also benefit from seeing more of an in depth attack/counter dynamic.

kaithuzar

Skander wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The word of today is #Counterplay


Oh wait

There isn't

OK, what do you want me to tell Wrobel in our next meeting?

Eric, you know the like only 5 or 6 skills in the game that can kill good players in BGs? Yeah people are mad because they are dying to them. Sub Assault is coutnerable, all you have to do is move, which you couldn't because it looks like you got stunned. You got CCed and thus were subjected to 2 ultimates and hit with multiple burst skills, you don't think that's a legit way of dying?

I know you can play, so you know damn well that if you're attacked by skills that are easy countered, you will counter them and you won't die. The amount of defense, healing, tankiness options available, even outside of busted gearsets like Earthgore, has made it such CC plus mutliple burst is pretty much the only shot someone on a high MMR team is going to die. You've gotten so used to laughing at the pitiful and uncoordinated attempts by inexperienced players trying to kill you that you're getting mad when you die to a coordinated uli bomb.

I played a high MMR last night. This is 15 minutes of deathmatch, no objectives to cap or relics to take, just 100% focus on killing other players. 105-105-60.



If ZOS nerfs all the "cheese" and other stuff people hate like Sub Assault, Spin2Win, snares, etc., such that you can survive when hit with multiple ultimates and multiple burst damage skills, the matches of the sort I was in will be 0-0-0. What will you do then with no death-recap to complain about on these forums? Scream to nerf "healers," right?

Then give any *** class an overpowered ability.

Everyone gets one or nobody gets one.

What i see is only stamina and maybe magsorc being competitive with each other.

And for your information: Draws are not bad. Draws are good. Two players with the same skill level are supposed to draw. If one of them wins becouse he has the cheese class with everything in it, it's not fun. It's moronic.

The damage should be coming from appropriately scaled spammable skills for each class & the rotational supportive skills, not from “cheese proc sets” or over scaling of a specific “special snowflake” ability like steel tornado.
Whether they tone down damage mitigation, work toward enhancing the accuracy/combat reticle for ensuring targets are hit, or scale up the damage on certain abilities; any of these will do but imo there is no room for overpowered bleeds & proc sets in a balanced game.

Joy_Division

technohic wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The word of today is #Counterplay


Oh wait

There isn't

OK, what do you want me to tell Wrobel in our next meeting?

Eric, you know the like only 5 or 6 skills in the game that can kill good players in BGs? Yeah people are mad because they are dying to them. Sub Assault is coutnerable, all you have to do is move, which you couldn't because it looks like you got stunned. You got CCed and thus were subjected to 2 ultimates and hit with multiple burst skills, you don't think that's a legit way of dying?

I know you can play, so you know damn well that if you're attacked by skills that are easy countered, you will counter them and you won't die. The amount of defense, healing, tankiness options available, even outside of busted gearsets like Earthgore, has made it such CC plus mutliple burst is pretty much the only shot someone on a high MMR team is going to die. You've gotten so used to laughing at the pitiful and uncoordinated attempts by inexperienced players trying to kill you that you're getting mad when you die to a coordinated uli bomb.

I played a high MMR last night. This is 15 minutes of deathmatch, no objectives to cap or relics to take, just 100% focus on killing other players. 105-105-60.



If ZOS nerfs all the "cheese" and other stuff people hate like Sub Assault, Spin2Win, snares, etc., such that you can survive when hit with multiple ultimates and multiple burst damage skills, the matches of the sort I was in will be 0-0-0. What will you do then with no death-recap to complain about on these forums? Scream to nerf "healers," right?

I think their logic is rubbing off on you. Its pretty terrible to just accept "cheese " because it's the only way to kill players due to an already screwed up game.

Or it's that I don't consider the death recaps the OP posted as being cheese. In both cases, they got hit by multiple players acting in concert using utitmates, perhaps in voice communication. The counterplay to such a tactic is to anticipate its potential and to try and avoid it. The OP did not do so, got stunned, and got killed. That's not unreasonable in my estimation, given the amount of firepower and (avoidable) hits the attackers connected on.

technohic

Eric, you know the like only 5 or 6 skills in the game that can kill good players in BGs? Yeah people are mad because they are dying

@Joy_Division I agree with you as far as the OP but the bolded is where I take issue. You rightfully said that there are only those few abilities that can kill good players; at least in a BG setting where you are not zerged down by mass numbers. I can see where we could justify these but it sucks that there are not other abilities and the meta has basically become turtle up, charge up ultimate, then bomb, bleed and spin to win. Theres always going to be a meta, but it just seems so limited